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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: alfie on 24 January 2010, 09:04:08
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Hello everyone,Vanners be warned that the NCC,that is the body that makes the rules and regs for the carvan industry and sites are making big changes,which will affect a lot us.
They are introducting a P I R test on the electical wiring in the van,Could be yearly or every 2 to 3 years thats up to the engineer.
You do not need to have it done,BUT site owners can refuse you hook ups.
This inspection will take up to 4 hours Plus the normal service,so it will not be cheap. For more info go to either the NCC web page or Practical caravans forum (under general)page.
I myself think that this is just a money making scam by the NCC to generate more income for the caravan servicing dealers.
Alfie
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Hello everyone,Vanners be warned that the NCC,that is the body that makes the rules and regs for the carvan industry and sites are making big changes,which will affect a lot us.
They are introducting a P I R test on the electical wiring in the van,Could be yearly or every 2 to 3 years thats up to the engineer.
You do not need to have it done,BUT site owners can refuse you hook ups.
This inspection will take up to 4 hours Plus the normal service,so it will not be cheap. For more info go to either the NCC web page or Practical caravans forum (under general)page.
I myself think that this is just a money making scam by the NCC to generate more income for the caravan servicing dealers.
Alfie
im in the trade and havent heard owt about this :-?
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4 hours + to inspect a caravan's electrics? Someone's having a laugh!
Kevin
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Its here
http://www.practicalcaravan.com/newforums/fm_messages.asp?FO=5&FM=488402 ;)
Which ever way your views on caravanning are, this is not good news for the many families who took up the 'hobby' as an inexpensive way of taking a yearly break.
I personally hope it is unenforceable :y :y
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4 hours + to inspect a caravan's electrics? Someone's having a laugh!
Kevin
yer could rewire it fully in less than that ;D
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4 hours + to inspect a caravan's electrics? Someone's having a laugh!
Kevin
Another friggin' rip-off .........
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
And swan vestas hopefully. :y :D ;D ;D
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Hi everyone,this little bit of info was leeked,not common knowledge I wonder why.
Well i,m not going to pay it,so I,m the one stuck away in the corner with no ehu,my genny is very quiet honest(honda) so with my solar panel,inverter I should be ok.
Alfie.
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
Go back to bed.
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4 hours + to inspect a caravan's electrics? Someone's having a laugh!
Kevin
yer could rewire it fully in less than that ;D
Perhaps thats the way to avoid needing an inspection. You buy a four way extension cable for a few quid. It would be cheap for someone to manufacture a "Caravan Extension Cable" that had a hookup plug at one end, a number of free sockets at certain intervals, and a couple of connectors for lights. So every year or when ever required, just put in a new CEC, by putting it in position, no elecrical connections required. That way you have replaced all the wiring, and it is therefore covered by the manufacturers guaranty for a couple of years, so no need for PIR. In fact, as it would not be a fixed installation, the CEC would be testable under the PAT regulations, which will only cost a couple of quid. You could also take it out when not in use to avoid being attacked by a mouse. ;D
This country is slowly but surely drowning under regulations. Rules are for the obediance of fools and the guidance of wise men.
Ken
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AFAIK and reading numerous sources ....
The inspection is ONLY required to allow you to connect your 'van to the "public grid".... site owners will need to see the report in order before you connect to the EHU. As the busybodies who invented this believe you "may" connect to the public grid at home, if you don't have the inspection done you have to sign a disclaimer at your caravan service centre..... this is to get them off the hook if it all goes pearshaped.
The Inspection includes 500volt insulation testing, so ALL appliances and electronics must be disconnected BEFORE the insulation test is done .. or they'll simply be frazzled .. it takes time to disconnect then reconnect everything
All switches/plugs/wires are inspected. As many of these are behind units/falsework there is a degree of dismantling required .. this takes time.
BTW .. this only applies to 240 system .. not the 12 v system ..... at the moment.
Now the cruncher ..... It is the person who does the inspection who decides when the next one is due, between 12 months and 3 years .... "depending on the circumstances and use of the caravan" ... as they have no idea what usage it will get ... my bet is they all go for 12 months as a "H&S" call :(
so my place charges £68 an hour ... 4 hours ...?? £272. Every 12 months.... in addition to the compulsory service to maintain the waranty. :(
And ...... my next bet .... the makers will then insist on this inspection in order maintain the warranty .....
so .. a nice little earner thought up to fleece the actual buyers and users, under the pretence of "H&S" .. again.
I've been 'vaning over 20 years and know of NO instances where injury has been caused by a mains electric problem inside a van.. as the RCD has always tripped .. as it should...
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Now the cruncher ..... It is the person who does the inspection who decides when the next one is due
Sounds like the usual trade association BS. Legislating to "generate work" for their members. >:(
Kevin
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Hello everyone,would you allow these workshop fellows to pull the guts out of your pride and joy to check the wiring hasn,t been chewed by a bloodly mouse.
If so you must have more faith in them ,than me.I,ve had 4 new vans and every one of them has been delivered with a list of faults despite the chargeable PDI.
I think that this is just a scam to get rule abiding vanners to cough up more money to the dealers for a worthless bit of paper.
Alfie.
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Hello everyone,Vanners be warned that the NCC,that is the body that makes the rules and regs for the carvan industry and sites are making big changes,which will affect a lot us.
They are introducting a P I R test on the electical wiring in the van,Could be yearly or every 2 to 3 years thats up to the engineer.
You do not need to have it done,BUT site owners can refuse you hook ups.
This inspection will take up to 4 hours Plus the normal service,so it will not be cheap. For more info go to either the NCC web page or Practical caravans forum (under general)page.
I myself think that this is just a money making scam by the NCC to generate more income for the caravan servicing dealers.
Alfie
I think it's all a load of hype......NCC or CC website says nowt, unless I've missed something :-?
Looking at some EHU on sites leaves a lot to be desired. And the CC know this as they have upgraded lots of them recently. My van is due a service next month so I will enquire, they are NCC approved :y
Mick ;)
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Hello everyone,would you allow these workshop fellows to pull the guts out of your pride and joy to check the wiring hasn,t been chewed by a bloodly mouse.
If so you must have more faith in them ,than me.I,ve had 4 new vans and every one of them has been delivered with a list of faults despite the chargeable PDI.
I think that this is just a scam to get rule abiding vanners to cough up more money to the dealers for a worthless bit of paper.
Alfie.
caravans are a mass produced product on a production line and one persons fault is not a fault to another,the condition you accept your new van in largely depends on the dealer there is some horror stories out there and what do you mean by the chargeable pdi do you mean the delivery costs if so that charge goes largely to the transportation of your new van to the dealers and the pdi and cleaning inside and out comes at a cost that isnt met by the manufacturer,profit on a van sale is a lot less than people think and there will always be a screw loose here and there and a possible bad connection after the bumpy ride home
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Right - I am NOT paying to have this done.
I have noticed that hookups generally have RCDs.
I can check quite easily that all the insulation is OK.
If CC enforce this I will not renew membership and not use their sites - I reckon CLs will ignore it.
Time for a very noisy generator ;D ;D
Or print my own on my printer
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
But still greener than a fight I'm not biting on that one :-X :-X ::) ::)
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
But still greener than a fight I'm not biting on that one :-X :-X ::) ::)
I think all Caravans should be destroyed, TB is absolutely right in what he says about them...... :D :D :D
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
Greener than flying off around the world.
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I bet quite a few of us would NOT hold you up!
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
But still greener than a fight I'm not biting on that one :-X :-X ::) ::)
I think all Caravans should be destroyed, TB is absolutely right in what he says about them...... :D :D :D
Creep! ;D ;D
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Sales of generators may increase ;D
& ear defenders ;D
Oh, joy! >:( I'vejust bought a new tent as well. ::)
What's wrong with a 12v battery?
Kevin
What's wrong with a Hotel, not getting infront of everyone & holding them up >:(
I think caravans should be slapped with a green tax, considering how un-environmentally friendly they are. The do more damage than a Range Rover
But still greener than a fight I'm not biting on that one :-X :-X ::) ::)
I think all Caravans should be destroyed, TB is absolutely right in what he says about them...... :D :D :D
Creep! ;D ;D
Seconded! ;D ;D
Take it from me Mike... Creeping doesn't work ;) ;)
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
I think you're off on a tangent there Martin... Suggestion was to get a PAT tested transformer, then there is no need to have the 'vans electrics tested ::) ::)
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
I think you're off on a tangent there Martin... Suggestion was to get a PAT tested transformer, then there is no need to have the 'vans electrics tested ::) ::)
I know - but just making the point it makes no difference to what we pay the site.
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
I think you're off on a tangent there Martin... Suggestion was to get a PAT tested transformer, then there is no need to have the 'vans electrics tested ::) ::)
I know - but just making the point it makes no difference to what we pay the site.
Makes a huge difference to the testing costs though ;) ;)
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Buy an isolating transformer and get it certified and PAT tested...then connect the pikey wagon to the output....
Much cheaper and your then not connected to the grid
And we pay fixed amount anyway
Ehh?
Its meant as a sudgestion as to how to get around the legislation
No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
I think you're off on a tangent there Martin... Suggestion was to get a PAT tested transformer, then there is no need to have the 'vans electrics tested ::) ::)
I know - but just making the point it makes no difference to what we pay the site.
Makes a huge difference to the testing costs though ;) ;)
I'll put one on my shopping list ;D ;D
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
There's an idea for the next meet. :y
I fully expect to find a single "approved" wagon on the site with extension leads chained from it round to all of the "non approved" ones.
It's the normal way when you introduce too much red tape. People find less safe ways to circumvent it. ::)
Kevin
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
There's an idea for the next meet. :y
I fully expect to find a single "approved" wagon on the site with extension leads chained from it round to all of the "non approved" ones.
It's the normal way when you introduce too much red tape. People find less safe ways to circumvent it. ::)
Kevin
Seem to recall some of the members having a go at smelting chimneas at Newent ::) ;D
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
What are Caravans made from :y :y :y :y :P
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Nearby hotel? Warm & comfy but not for me. I'd rather be at said meet day & night. I'd feel uncomfortable having to leave at night by a certain time then get back next morning only to wander about with no means of making a brew, food, shelter in the event of a shower etc. I know fellow members will help out with said issues but it's nice to be independant. If nothing else in a van or a tent you have a bolthole if you want an hour or two to yourself or forty winks as i often do.
12v battery? Good idea but you'd have to keep charging it up so if tenting may as well pay hook up & run a 4 way socket.
As for the tent/caravan debate i've never "tented" properly. ie bought a big enough tent with all the relevant equipment to do the job properly but have seen others do so, so accept home comforts can be replicated under canvas.
I'm new to caravanning & only run a small 2 berth Elddis that i only use for OOF & classic car meets so i'm not a "vanner" as such. That said i love spending time away in it. I've got 12/240 leccy, gas or leccy kettle, toaster, hot & cold running water, Kenwood cd/radio, freeview telly, 3 ring burner, oven/grille, fridge with tiny freezer, shower, cassette toilet (can't bring myself to use it...but in emergencies?) i don't have to put it up or pack it away. Tins of beans/soup, crockery, cutlery can all stay til next time, no messing about.
To sum up it seems a shame such a simple hobby is going to fall foul of yet another pointless set of rules & regs. I check the van over before setting off & keep an eye on things in general. The wheelbearings/brakes are ok, as are tyre pressures, no perished walls inside or out & i carry 2 spares. Replaced gas pipes including new unions to run 2 bottles with new regulaters & all lights work. Even i can manage this & i'm no mechanic.
Can't these irritating so & so's go away & get a proper job? It'll be tents next if it carries on. You'll all have to attend some course & gain a certificate just to put the thing up & sleep in it, let alone make a coffee & egg on toast. Leave us alone & find something more constructive to do FFS! ::)
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Slowly finding out more about this .... :(
The NCC write up ...
http://www.nationalcaravan.co.uk/images/resources/TB-2009-017%20PIR%20Testing.pdf
CITO write up
http://www.cito.org.uk/attachments/071_EWS%20Info%20Pack.pdf
and the more I read the more it smells ... :(
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Nearby hotel? Warm & comfy but not for me. I'd rather be at said meet day & night. I'd feel uncomfortable having to leave at night by a certain time then get back next morning only to wander about with no means of making a brew, food, shelter in the event of a shower etc. I know fellow members will help out with said issues but it's nice to be independant. If nothing else in a van or a tent you have a bolthole if you want an hour or two to yourself or forty winks as i often do.
12v battery? Good idea but you'd have to keep charging it up so if tenting may as well pay hook up & run a 4 way socket.
As for the tent/caravan debate i've never "tented" properly. ie bought a big enough tent with all the relevant equipment to do the job properly but have seen others do so, so accept home comforts can be replicated under canvas.
I'm new to caravanning & only run a small 2 berth Elddis that i only use for OOF & classic car meets so i'm not a "vanner" as such. That said i love spending time away in it. I've got 12/240 leccy, gas or leccy kettle, toaster, hot & cold running water, Kenwood cd/radio, freeview telly, 3 ring burner, oven/grille, fridge with tiny freezer, shower, cassette toilet (can't bring myself to use it...but in emergencies?) i don't have to put it up or pack it away. Tins of beans/soup, crockery, cutlery can all stay til next time, no messing about.
To sum up it seems a shame such a simple hobby is going to fall foul of yet another pointless set of rules & regs. I check the van over before setting off & keep an eye on things in general. The wheelbearings/brakes are ok, as are tyre pressures, no perished walls inside or out & i carry 2 spares. Replaced gas pipes including new unions to run 2 bottles with new regulaters & all lights work. Even i can manage this & i'm no mechanic.
Can't these irritating so & so's go away & get a proper job? It'll be tents next if it carries on. You'll all have to attend some course & gain a certificate just to put the thing up & sleep in it, let alone make a coffee & egg on toast. Leave us alone & find something more constructive to do FFS! ::)
As long as you remember to let the handbrake off ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Quoted from your first link:
To recommend when the next periodic inspection and test is due for installations in Caravans, the engineer will also need to take into account the use of the Caravan, and the mileage covered for a Touring Caravan or Motorhome: this will then be reviewed at that time. This period will be not less than 3 years and in some cases could be 1 year.
They want to make up their mind ::) ::) >:( >:(
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
What are Caravans made from :y :y :y :y :P
Someone's on my wavelength. :y Just need a way to convert them to Bauxite before they can technically be smelted. I wonder if TheBoy has any ideas on that one? ;)
Kevin
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
What are Caravans made from :y :y :y :y :P
Someone's on my wavelength. :y Just need a way to convert them to Bauxite before they can technically be smelted. I wonder if TheBoy has any ideas on that one? ;)
Kevin
Is it caravans or caravanners you lot don't like? I can keep a steady 60 or 70 mph given the car's longer & heavier than the van so no trailer sway. How much did you pay for your piece of cloth, fridge, gas rings, bed, wardrobe, etc. etc.? In other words all your camping gear. I'll bet it was more than £200 & you still have to crawl about unless your bit of cloth is so huge it takes an army to put up/pull down. I hate canvas as much as some of you hate caravans so can you all shut up now please? It's not just a bit of light hearted banter, it's becoming tedious. Until now i hav'nt said a word against tenters so to the minority of you that keep taking a cheap pop i suggest you button it, stop being so rather' smug.
Let's accept we have different ways of "staying out" I hav'nt noticed caravan owners taking a pop at tenters....yet....but if you keep on..... ::)
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Just different ways of achieving a common aim, Guy. I think the cameraderie at our meets, regardless of where you choose to rest your head, speaks for itself in terms of whether there's any real dislike there. :y
I shall say no more on the matter.
Kevin
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
What are Caravans made from :y :y :y :y :P
Someone's on my wavelength. :y Just need a way to convert them to Bauxite before they can technically be smelted. I wonder if TheBoy has any ideas on that one? ;)
Kevin
Is it caravans or caravanners you lot don't like? I can keep a steady 60 or 70 mph given the car's longer & heavier than the van so no trailer sway. How much did you pay for your piece of cloth, fridge, gas rings, bed, wardrobe, etc. etc.? In other words all your camping gear. I'll bet it was more than £200 & you still have to crawl about unless your bit of cloth is so huge it takes an army to put up/pull down. I hate canvas as much as some of you hate caravans so can you all shut up now please? It's not just a bit of light hearted banter, it's becoming tedious. Until now i hav'nt said a word against tenters so to the minority of you that keep taking a cheap pop i suggest you button it, stop being so rather' smug.
Let's accept we have different ways of "staying out" I hav'nt noticed caravan owners taking a pop at tenters....yet....but if you keep on..... ::)
Come on Guy, you know we caravaner's envy the tenter's on a cold, wet gale blowing night, and them wanting to go to the loo at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Packing the tent up in the pouring rain.
Car loaded to the hilt!
I could go on.
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No - we just pay £1 or similar for the hookup, doesn't matter if you are just running lights or smelting aluminium
What are Caravans made from :y :y :y :y :P
Someone's on my wavelength. :y Just need a way to convert them to Bauxite before they can technically be smelted. I wonder if TheBoy has any ideas on that one? ;)
Kevin
Is it caravans or caravanners you lot don't like? I can keep a steady 60 or 70 mph given the car's longer & heavier than the van so no trailer sway. How much did you pay for your piece of cloth, fridge, gas rings, bed, wardrobe, etc. etc.? In other words all your camping gear. I'll bet it was more than £200 & you still have to crawl about unless your bit of cloth is so huge it takes an army to put up/pull down. I hate canvas as much as some of you hate caravans so can you all shut up now please? It's not just a bit of light hearted banter, it's becoming tedious. Until now i hav'nt said a word against tenters so to the minority of you that keep taking a cheap pop i suggest you button it, stop being so rather' smug.
Let's accept we have different ways of "staying out" I hav'nt noticed caravan owners taking a pop at tenters....yet....but if you keep on..... ::)
Come on Guy, you know we caravaner's envy the tenter's on a cold, wet gale blowing night, and them wanting to go to the loo at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Packing the tent up in the pouring rain.
Car loaded to the hilt!
I could go on.
Have to agree that caravans are a step up in practicality in comparison to tents yet I still have both.When with the family it is a lot easier for the 'luxuries' that are afforded by having everything all in one 'box' but sometimes if i'm on my own then lugging the chateux on wheels seems a bit excessive.It is a matter of choice for most of us and some do like the comfy things more than others.Must admit I was brought up with tenting so it stays with me that things can be done with less but I will never judge others, it is a means to an end and if you can enjoy it then all the better.Hopefully I will make one or two of the meets this year - work depndant
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Thanks AA & HJD. I don't really want a tent/vs. van war on here. I've seen some tenters with cracking set ups, all you could wish for. Seems like alot of work to me (i'm lazy) but if you enjoy it, nice one. It's good to get away no matter how you do it. In my teens/early 20's i was heavily into the bike scene (1978 GS750, CB Hondas, GT 380, KH250, Yam XS750, RD400DX) never owned a real brit bike but many did & it was rough & ready then as were the festivals. Stonehenge was free & i was there the year before the police attacked the travellers buses/homes etc. in front of thier children >:( which spawned the phrase "New age traveller" which actually means nothing & was media generated. Glasto & Reading stiil exist but have become more organized overpriced club events than Rock concerts.
Point is we never took tents just our bikes & slept where we fell, certain substances helped but the fact is tenting has passed me by. I no longer do "substances", happy with a drink now but i like the comfort of my van.
Guess i've gone from one extreme to another! :y
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weve been off in ours and done full sunday dinners int toven and a nice shower,telly,dvd,fridge,fire,lights,loads a storage,comfy but a good tenting weekend wi yer mates is priceless ive told mi kids when there older iltake em off in a tent
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I can check quite easily that all the insulation is OK.
What test equipment/procedure do you use for that Martin, and who does your calibration?
Or print my own on my printer
That is guaranteed jail time these days mate.
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has to be tent for me, chuck it all in the back, blast along at the usual 80 mph+
Caravans are too darn heavy, half your mpg and cost £1000's to buy & run.
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I can check quite easily that all the insulation is OK.
What test equipment/procedure do you use for that Martin, and who does your calibration?
Or print my own on my printer
That is guaranteed jail time these days mate.
Just visual - if the insulation is OK and not mice eaten - should be OK - how often do houses get rewired?
More to the point - who actually thinks we need this?
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I can check quite easily that all the insulation is OK.
What test equipment/procedure do you use for that Martin, and who does your calibration?
Or print my own on my printer
That is guaranteed jail time these days mate.
Just visual - if the insulation is OK and not mice eaten - should be OK - how often do houses get rewired?
More to the point - who actually thinks we need this?
How often do you uproot your house and take it on holiday with you?
As far as rewiring goes, I must have missed that bit...I was under the distinct impression it was nothing more than inspect/test.
As for a visual inspection being good enough, sadly that is not the case in real life where 240v is concerned (there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that) and an RCD on the campsite side isn't a "magic bullet" either.
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I can check quite easily that all the insulation is OK.
What test equipment/procedure do you use for that Martin, and who does your calibration?
Or print my own on my printer
That is guaranteed jail time these days mate.
Just visual - if the insulation is OK and not mice eaten - should be OK - how often do houses get rewired?
More to the point - who actually thinks we need this?
How often do you uproot your house and take it on holiday with you?
As far as rewiring goes, I must have missed that bit...I was under the distinct impression it was nothing more than inspect/test.
As for a visual inspection being good enough, sadly that is not the case in real life (and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that).
So do you think these test are warranted?
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(and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that).
Are there? ............ Bo11ocks!
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So do you think these test are warranted?
Where mains voltage is involved in public areas, yes I do think they are warranted.
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(and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that).
Are there? ............ Bo11ocks!
Are there 'dangle berries' what?
Remember the old style 240v xmas tree lights/fairy lights?
How many times did you hear of people dying because they had them plugged in while checking for a dodgy lamp and failed to notice bare conductors that had been caused while in storage?
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So do you think these test are warranted?
Where mains voltage is involved in public areas, yes I do think they are warranted.
Mains has to go through 2 RCD's before Joe Public gets to use it.
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(and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that).
Are there? ............ Bo11ocks!
Are there 'dangle berries' what?
Remember the old style 240v xmas tree lights/fairy lights?
How many times did you hear of people dying because they had them plugged in while checking for a dodgy lamp and failed to notice bare conductors that had been caused while in storage?
See above!
And we're talking deaths in caravans not due to 'fixing' fairy lights.
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So do you think these test are warranted?
Where mains voltage is involved in public areas, yes I do think they are warranted.
Mains has to go through 2 RCD's before Joe Public gets to use it.
See above, an RCD is NOT the be all and end all....it is simply a secondary aid in much the same way an airbag is a secondary aid to a seatbelt.
RCD's can (and DO) fail, hence that is why they have a test procedure specifically written for them.
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(and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that).
Are there? ............ Bo11ocks!
Are there 'dangle berries' what?
Remember the old style 240v xmas tree lights/fairy lights?
How many times did you hear of people dying because they had them plugged in while checking for a dodgy lamp and failed to notice bare conductors that had been caused while in storage?
See above!
And we're talking deaths in caravans not due to 'fixing' fairy lights.
Fairy lights was an example and you well know it.
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So do you think these test are warranted?
Where mains voltage is involved in public areas, yes I do think they are warranted.
Mains has to go through 2 RCD's before Joe Public gets to use it.
See above, an RCD is NOT the be all and end all....it is simply a secondary aid in much the same way an airbag is a secondary aid to a seatbelt.
RCD's can (and DO) fail, hence that is why they have a test procedure specifically written for them.
You'd have to be very, very unlucky for both the EHU RCD & your own RCD to fail at the same time. You appear to giive the impression that as a spark you're the only one that might know something about electrickery, & I know I don't know it all.
I'll not use site electrics if it means I've to pay for an annual PIR cert
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.....Fairy lights was an example and you well know it.
yes! an example of a set of lights used once a year for a week. Your original statement: (and there are more than enough corpses to substantiate that). immplied that camp sites were littered with dead campers due to faulty electrics in their caravan.
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You'd have to be very, very unlucky for both the EHU RCD & your own RCD to fail at the same time. You appear to giive the impression that as a spark you're the only one that might know something about electrickery, & I know I don't know it all.
I'll not use site electrics if it means I've to pay for an annual PIR cert
Indeed, in fact that would be incredibly bad luck.
That doesn't mean however that it can't go wrong, it much the same way that one of us could quite easily win the lottery next week even though the odds are 14 million to 1 against.
There is ALWAYS a chance for something to happen (be it good or bad), but if it's going to be bad then surely common sense says let's make sure we minimise the risk?
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The inspection will be ... at its most rigid... annually.
My caravan will do around 5000 miles a year.
Just what good is a piece of paper 11 months and 4990 mile old when I come to plug in to an EHU the week before the re-inspection is due ???
As has been said many times... and SPECIFICALLY by KW .. an MOT is not worth the paper it is written on. There is NO difference between this inspection and an MOT in principle.... (other than cost)
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The inspection will be ... at its most rigid... annually.
My caravan will do around 5000 miles a year.
Just what good is a piece of paper 11 months and 4990 mile old when I come to plug in to an EHU the week before the re-inspection is due ???
As has been said many times... and SPECIFICALLY by KW .. an MOT is not worth the paper it is written on. There is NO difference between this inspection and an MOT in principle.... (other than cost)
yup..... :y
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The inspection will be ... at its most rigid... annually.
An annual inspection would be taking the piss, especially as the worst that is realistically going to happen in real life use (unless extremely unlucky) is you will damage a plug top/socket outlet, etc (and common sense normally prevails in that situation).
A once yearly visual inspection/manual test of RCD should be enough, with (say) a 3 year interval for a full on test of anything related to mains voltage that is permanently installed.
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The inspection will be ... at its most rigid... annually.
An annual inspection would be taking the piss, especially as the worst that is realistically going to happen in real life use (unless extremely unlucky) is you will damage a plug top/socket outlet, etc (and common sense normally prevails in that situation).
A once yearly visual inspection/manual test of RCD should be enough, with (say) a 3 year interval for a full on test of anything related to mains voltage that is permanently installed.
Still flawed.....
Large fee for a year or two, larger fee every third year??
Certificate would still remain good for a 50/50 duration as per the MOT cert.... 50 yards or 50 seconds, whichever passes first! ;D :y
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The inspection will be ... at its most rigid... annually.
An annual inspection would be taking the piss, especially as the worst that is realistically going to happen in real life use (unless extremely unlucky) is you will damage a plug top/socket outlet, etc (and common sense normally prevails in that situation).
A once yearly visual inspection/manual test of RCD should be enough, with (say) a 3 year interval for a full on test of anything related to mains voltage that is permanently installed.
http://www.osborneandcollins.co.uk/walton-surrey/Inspection-Testing-Electrical-Installations.htm
This is what is proposed. Slightly more than you state. Please note the reference in table 3 to Caravans.
A little research can go a long way.
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http://www.osborneandcollins.co.uk/walton-surrey/Inspection-Testing-Electrical-Installations.htm
This is what is proposed. Slightly more than you state. Please note the reference in table 3 to Caravans.
A little research can go a long way.
My original statement with regard to what I said should be needed was based simply on the word "caravan".
Now as I am sure you will be fully aware, a caravan can be anything from an 8' shed to a 40' static.
The weekend sheds aren't going to need much in the way of a test/inspect because they have bugger all to start with, however some of those 40' jobbies have an installation that would rival bricks & mortar.
I personally couldn't give a monkeys crotchpiece whether dodgy caravan electrics result in someone's death or not, and I also think (or rather, know) that the proposed fixed fee of £80 isn't going to entice many qualified sparks to get out of bed to do the check (it's £10 per breaker, with an extra £10 per appliance in the real world).
In order for any caravan centre/repair merchant to be able to start offering inspections/test on anything 240v related, the person carrying out the test is going to need 2391.
That qualification on it's own is going to cost them £1000's to get the people through, and you can rest assured that if they weren't sparkies before they took the test - they certainly won't be considered sparkies after they pass either.