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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: mantahatch on 28 January 2010, 13:26:47
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Can you imagine hw much the press would make of this if it was Vauxhall or Ford.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8484498.stm
The figures are amazing.
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
You are quite correct CTP that horrid pedal of my Prius has seldom seen the floor of the car :o :o
May I be recalled to London - please?
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
You are quite correct CTP that horrid pedal of my Prius has seldom seen the floor of the car :o :o
May I be recalled to London - please?
Pruisesesese should not be allowed out of the congestion charge zone as the drivers seem determined to drive just on electric at 27mph everywhere with a holier than thou expression. Do they not realise that over the whole life of the car they are highly polluting because of the material used and their complexity will see them uneconomical to repair before a standard car. Plus out of town they are more polluting than a modern diesel.
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Burn them
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
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Electric cars are more poluting than any car made in the last 30 years! Oh yes they are greener than green when running but how do they charge them? Oh yes that would be electricity which is produced using coal!!! To quote my old friend Walter.... "DUMBASSES!"
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_le7HKNt-Jos/SRTEo-DFl6I/AAAAAAAAA_0/AeZrBl4BYP8/s320/Walter.jpg)
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
You are quite correct CTP that horrid pedal of my Prius has seldom seen the floor of the car :o :o
May I be recalled to London - please?
Pruisesesese should not be allowed out of the congestion charge zone as the drivers seem determined to drive just on electric at 27mph everywhere with a holier than thou expression. Do they not realise that over the whole life of the car they are highly polluting because of the material used and their complexity will see them uneconomical to repair before a standard car. Plus out of town they are more polluting than a modern diesel.
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Burn them
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Should I consider myself suitably chastised CTP?
Burn them
Me or the car? :-/ :-/ ;D :y
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Indeed so Manta - now that I've accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour I am duty bound to drive one :y
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
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Electric cars are more poluting than any car made in the last 30 years! Oh yes they are greener than green when running but how do they charge them? Oh yes that would be electricity which is produced using coal!!! To quote my old friend Walter.... "DUMBASSES!"
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_le7HKNt-Jos/SRTEo-DFl6I/AAAAAAAAA_0/AeZrBl4BYP8/s320/Walter.jpg)
I do take you point W and on behalf of all Prius owners please let me apologise; :)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk&feature=related[/media]
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Superb ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
You are quite correct CTP that horrid pedal of my Prius has seldom seen the floor of the car :o :o
May I be recalled to London - please?
Pruisesesese should not be allowed out of the congestion charge zone as the drivers seem determined to drive just on electric at 27mph everywhere with a holier than thou expression. Do they not realise that over the whole life of the car they are highly polluting because of the material used and their complexity will see them uneconomical to repair before a standard car. Plus out of town they are more polluting than a modern diesel.
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Burn them
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Should I consider myself suitably chastised CTP?
Burn them
Me or the car? :-/ :-/ ;D :y
Yes and ....the Prius ;D ;D
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Can you imagine hw much the press would make of this if it was Vauxhall or Ford.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8484498.stm
The figures are amazing.
On a more serious note, yes I can. Going on past performance, they would most likely cover it up and deny all responsibility until a class action lawsuit forced their hand. >:(
Kevin
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
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Knowing the Toyota drivers around here, the pedal would never get close enough to the mat to get caught, if it did it would do the general public a great service ;)
Recall the drivers instead :P
You are quite correct CTP that horrid pedal of my Prius has seldom seen the floor of the car :o :o
May I be recalled to London - please?
Pruisesesese should not be allowed out of the congestion charge zone as the drivers seem determined to drive just on electric at 27mph everywhere with a holier than thou expression. Do they not realise that over the whole life of the car they are highly polluting because of the material used and their complexity will see them uneconomical to repair before a standard car. Plus out of town they are more polluting than a modern diesel.
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Burn them
I HATE them and their clueless, infuriating drivers
Should I consider myself suitably chastised CTP?
Burn them
Me or the car? :-/ :-/ ;D :y
Yes and ....the Prius ;D ;D
Thank you CTP, I always like to where I stand ;D ;D :y
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Am I the first person to "get Knighted" dissing the Prius?
Should I get knotted? ;D
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Exactly, there are negatives to each proposal and I'm very sympathetic to that conundrum. :( ;D ;D
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Am I the first person to "get Knighted" dissing the Prius?
Should I get knotted? ;D
I hope you bear the honour well, and once again congratulations 8-) 8-) :y
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Am I the first person to "get Knighted" dissing the Prius?
Should I get knotted? ;D
I hope you bear the honour well, and once again congratulations 8-) 8-) :y
Is that a sword stuck in the roof of the Prius?
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Am I the first person to "get Knighted" dissing the Prius?
Should I get knotted? ;D
I hope you bear the honour well, and once again congratulations 8-) 8-) :y
Is that a sword stuck in the roof of the Prius?
At the very least - as the offending vehicle is dispatched across a moody sea in a flaming longship;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tend6y5AsRs&feature=related[/media]
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I tried to cut and paste a Prius into that for my own gratification, but failed ;D
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I tried to cut and paste a Prius into that for my own gratification, but failed ;D
Never mimd CTP, the mere fact that you tried speaks volumes for your dedication 8-) ;) ;D
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I believe it is called the toyota Pious. ;D
Does anyone else see a Prius on the road and suddenly get the desire to scream past, grinning, with their V6 practically at the rev limiter?
I'm sure they are saving CO2 emissions but they cause plenty more from my car. :P
Kevin
You are quite correct Keven I have intimidated on many occasions in this way and have been left, as a result, with a terrible inferiority complex :'( :'( :(
Do a lap in the Prius, you'll feel better as you are ****helping the world****and all the children****won't someone PLEASE think of the children****
Oh dear-my commute is littered with the 27mph critters-its obviously affecting my sanity ;D ;D
Thank you for that boost in confidence CTP, I shall continue my crusade (in the non-conquering sense of course) ;D ;D ;D :y
I suppose they would have more of a negative effect on the environment if they were all set alight ;D ;D
Am I the first person to "get Knighted" dissing the Prius?
Should I get knotted? ;D
Good grief noooooo, you should be promoting the use of caravans instead though.................... :D :D :D
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I think that the Pious is a joke,as mentioned earlier the whole life cost of the vehicle makes it awful(building and running) It is sh1t at anything more than being a piece of engineering to keep the greens happy(but failing) mpg is a joke in comparison to most modern diesel cars driving in the real world.The purchase price is excessive to say the least and it looks like it was designed by a six year old.Then again what do I know? :-?
CTP congratulatoins on the Knighthood!
Now time for you to extol the virtues of caravans to the masses! ;D :y
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I think that the Pious is a joke,as mentioned earlier the whole life cost of the vehicle makes it awful(building and running) It is sh1t at anything more than being a piece of engineering to keep the greens happy(but failing) mpg is a joke in comparison to most modern diesel cars driving in the real world.The purchase price is excessive to say the least and it looks like it was designed by a six year old.Then again what do I know? :-?
CTP congratulatoins on the Knighthood!
Now time for you to extol the virtues of caravans to the masses! ;D :y
I'm very pleased to learn of your informed and objective opinion on the Prius, H.
May I assume that you have either owned one or had use of one for an extended period to show such conviction?
I have owned a Prius for three years now. I'm not a rabid environmentalist and my motives for the purchase were explained in a thread raised here some time ago.
I found the purchase price (new) to be quite acceptable when one considers the specification of the vehicle, and 'real world' costs up to the moment have been more than pleasing:
£15 per year excise duty;
No London congestion charge;
Modest insurance costs;
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so;
Approximately £280 so far in scheduled servicing costs.
Far from being a piece of engineering to keep the 'greens' happy and of course being designed by a six year old, the Prius (launched in 1997) was an innovative attempt to address the question of motive efficiency in the coming environmental age as well as being part of a business strategy.
It's not the complete answer of course but at least it was a start. Diesel fuel was not considered to power the vehicle at the time due to concerns over NOx and fine particulate matter .
In essence the Prius is a well made, reliable, comfortable little car that doesn't cost a lot to run and will be replaced with a new one shortly. I should also point out, not that it should really matter, I most certainly am not a tree hugger and as such I have no guilt about the Range Rover L322 that will be joining it. :y
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Hi Zulu I'm glad you like your car,I only had the pleasure of one for six weeks.I don't pay the congestion charge either as I avoid the bloody place.Yes I agree it is a start towards a solution but it just doesn't get my vote.At motorway speeds it is not as econmical as claimed or that much fun to drive at that sort of speed either.
I have only seen and sat in the new Prius but it still doesn't do it for me,then again I have got a motorbike to enjoy the roads of this nation.The bike is less polluting than almost all the cars on the road and if bikes were emission charged for taxation then I wouldn't have to pay a penny.(It will never happen) with sensible riding I can get close to 60 mpg, on the other side of the coin I can get to sixty in about 4.5 seconds and easily exceed the speed limit like many expensive cars.I am too old to go too quickly though.
I'm glad you have also got a Range Rover you are one of the few Prius owners that seem to have both feet on the ground and realise there is more to life than the Toyota option for travel. :y
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Hi Zulu I'm glad you like your car,I only had the pleasure of one for six weeks.I don't pay the congestion charge either as I avoid the bloody place.Yes I agree it is a start towards a solution but it just doesn't get my vote.At motorway speeds it is not as econmical as claimed or that much fun to drive at that sort of speed either.
I have only seen and sat in the new Prius but it still doesn't do it for me,then again I have got a motorbike to enjoy the roads of this nation.The bike is less polluting than almost all the cars on the road and if bikes were emission charged for taxation then I wouldn't have to pay a penny.(It will never happen) with sensible riding I can get close to 60 mpg, on the other side of the coin I can get to sixty in about 4.5 seconds and easily exceed the speed limit like many expensive cars.I am too old to go too quickly though.
I'm glad you have also got a Range Rover you are one of the few Prius owners that seem to have both feet on the ground and realise there is more to life than the Toyota option for travel. :y
Thank you for your reply H. 8-) :y
I’m glad that you had the opportunity to try one and find no difficulty in the fact that you didn't like it. In many ways the compromise between blending electric power and liquid fuel power makes the end product either a love/hate thing.
As you point out the car does have its shortcomings - and I still prefer the larger cars for going on a journey - but I forgive the Prius its failings as it remains, to me at least, quite an engaging little car.
At the end of the many discussions around the worth of the Prius it still is merely a car for getting around in. It shouldn’t be held as a panacea for the planet’s environmental ills by owners keen to make a statement about their planet loving credentials.
Now, Prius owners of that opinion can quite rightly be labelled as being pious in a Prius. :y
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Say what you like about the Prius (as Zulu77 alludes to, both the driving experience and the looks are probably a "love or hate" thing) but it does return the fuel economy - in the right scenario.
I had an extended taxi ride across Milan in rush hour in a Prius a year or so back.
We are talking the stereotypical Italian taxi driver. Boolean throttle and brake controls, taking off from every set of lights flat out despite that fact that the next set of lights 300 yds up the road are clearly just turning red, etc. etc.
When I got into the car I saw the average fuel consumption figure (in l/100km, of course) and it seemed infeasibly low. Spent the first half of the journey doing mental arithmetic and working out that we were talking high 50's verging on 60MPG. :y
Once I'd worked that out, I remember sniggering before taking a second look at the average, thinking that this traffic and driving style would have done it no good. It had actually improved. :o
I doubt any conventional petrol car would have bettered 30 MPG on that run. An Omega, although a bigger car, would have been doing about 15MPG without a doubt.
Comparing it to a conventional car on the motorway is pointless. They are both propelling themselves exclusively by petrol engine. Both engines are operating in a reasonably efficient regime but the Prius is hobbled by a bootload of batteries and electric motors.
Where hybrids really come into their own is in city traffic where they avoid operating the petrol engine in its most hideously inefficient mode.
I don't do any city driving but if I did have to on a daily basis, I think they'd be more worthy of my consideration. The only thing that would worry me is long term maintenance costs, bearing in mind I tend to buy cars once depreciation has made them better value for money. No battery technology has yet produced batteries that last terribly long and replacing a Hybrid's batteries must be eye-wateringly expensive.
Kevin
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Well said Kevin... I very rarely go into town, never mind stop-start city driving, so see little point in a Hybrid.
If I were to go along the hybrid route I think I'd be looking towards Lexus though ::) :y :y
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If I were to go along the hybrid route I think I'd be looking towards Lexus though ::) :y :y
I don't know. :-/
In some respects, if I was doing mostly city driving (which I'd have to be, to consider one) I think something like a Prius would be adequate.
I'm not sure I see the point of taking a guzzler / SUV and turning it into something with economy that could be achieved simply by buying a more modest car. If I were to have a Hybrid with all that entails I would probably want no compromise on the fuel economy and have an Omega (or similar) for long trips.
Besides, whenever I've got behind the wheel of a Lexus I've wished I was only about 5 foot 6 tall. ;D
Kevin
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If I were to go along the hybrid route I think I'd be looking towards Lexus though ::) :y :y
I don't know. :-/
In some respects, if I was doing mostly city driving (which I'd have to be, to consider one) I think something like a Prius would be adequate.
I'm not sure I see the point of taking a guzzler / SUV and turning it into something with economy that could be achieved simply by buying a more modest car. If I were to have a Hybrid with all that entails I would probably want no compromise on the fuel economy and have an Omega (or similar) for long trips.
Besides, whenever I've got behind the wheel of a Lexus I've wished I was only about 5 foot 6 tall. ;D
Kevin
Hmmm... Lots of people have made similar comments in the past. I may have a problem with one then ::) ::)
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Hmmm... Lots of people have made similar comments in the past. I may have a problem with one then ::) ::)
I was seriously considering an IS200 instead of an Omega, until I took a look at how little space there is inside one. Even the larger models don't seem to have much legroom.
I don't think you can get any better than an Omega in terms of space in the passenger compartment.
Kevin
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Say what you like about the Prius (as Zulu77 alludes to, both the driving experience and the looks are probably a "love or hate" thing) but it does return the fuel economy - in the right scenario.
I had an extended taxi ride across Milan in rush hour in a Prius a year or so back.
We are talking the stereotypical Italian taxi driver. Boolean throttle and brake controls, taking off from every set of lights flat out despite that fact that the next set of lights 300 yds up the road are clearly just turning red, etc. etc.
When I got into the car I saw the average fuel consumption figure (in l/100km, of course) and it seemed infeasibly low. Spent the first half of the journey doing mental arithmetic and working out that we were talking high 50's verging on 60MPG. :y
Once I'd worked that out, I remember sniggering before taking a second look at the average, thinking that this traffic and driving style would have done it no good. It had actually improved. :o
I doubt any conventional petrol car would have bettered 30 MPG on that run. An Omega, although a bigger car, would have been doing about 15MPG without a doubt.
Comparing it to a conventional car on the motorway is pointless. They are both propelling themselves exclusively by petrol engine. Both engines are operating in a reasonably efficient regime but the Prius is hobbled by a bootload of batteries and electric motors.
Where hybrids really come into their own is in city traffic where they avoid operating the petrol engine in its most hideously inefficient mode.
I don't do any city driving but if I did have to on a daily basis, I think they'd be more worthy of my consideration. The only thing that would worry me is long term maintenance costs, bearing in mind I tend to buy cars once depreciation has made them better value for money. No battery technology has yet produced batteries that last terribly long and replacing a Hybrid's batteries must be eye-wateringly expensive.
Kevin
I wonder if the consumption figures took into consideration the level of charge remaining in the batteries or was just petrol consumption. It would be far too easy to give false real-world figures if at the end of the journey more energy had to be added to restore the original amount.
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I wonder if the consumption figures took into consideration the level of charge remaining in the batteries or was just petrol consumption. It would be far too easy to give false real-world figures if at the end of the journey more energy had to be added to restore the original amount.
True. There is always going to be some energy in the batteries and that will offset the fuel consumption at times - in either direction.
Kevin
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I wonder if the consumption figures took into consideration the level of charge remaining in the batteries or was just petrol consumption. It would be far too easy to give false real-world figures if at the end of the journey more energy had to be added to restore the original amount.
The hybrid system is quite sophisticated and the blending of the two means of propulsion seems responsible for the consumptiion figures - as well stop/start, small (1500 cc) engine and light aerodynamic body of course.
The traction battery provides power not only for electric only driving (in a very modest way) but also assists the petrol engine via the electric motor when the loading conditions are favourable. This large battery is continously charged when the petrol engine is running/powering the vehicle or on the over-run/braking.
This combination of factors can achive very respectable fuel consumption figures which in my case, varies betwen 50 mpg in the winter and 60 mpg in the summer. That's with a normal style of driving - making due progress and so on - but I will say that the more one adopts a style to suit the car the more consistant the consumption figures will be - and that doesn't mean tootling around getting in everyone's way.
The traction battery is under manufacturers warranty for eight years - which is just as well as it's expensive to replace as Kevin rightly says although failures are not that common according the disciples on the Prius Forum at least - even though the early cars have been around since 1999 (in the UK).
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Used in London, in the C charge, they make more sense, but only due to the fact the government is daft and does not allow other cars to travel in free which have **better** real world mpg and **low emissions ** (eg C1, 107, Aygo).
Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
It just fits with the "clueless green movement" and is trendy with the government.
Pointless. But if you just like it, you enjoy it :y
What irritates me is the Prius "I'm doing my bit, what about you?" attitude and the holding up drivers that would use less fuel at a constant 50mph in their highly efficient modern diesel.
I'm not saying this applies to you :y :y
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Used in London, in the C charge, they make more sense, but only due to the fact the government is daft and does not allow other cars to travel in free which have **better** real world mpg and **low emissions ** (eg C1, 107, Aygo).
Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
It just fits with the "clueless green movement" and is trendy with the government.
Pointless. But if you just like it, you enjoy it :y
What irritates me is the Prius "I'm doing my bit, what about you?" attitude and the holding up drivers that would use less fuel at a constant 50mph in their highly efficient modern diesel.
I'm not saying this applies to you :y :y
You're quite correct CTP, it doesn't and it's very kind of you to say so :y :y
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Used in London, in the C charge, they make more sense, but only due to the fact the government is daft and does not allow other cars to travel in free which have **better** real world mpg and **low emissions ** (eg C1, 107, Aygo).
Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
It just fits with the "clueless green movement" and is trendy with the government.
Pointless. But if you just like it, you enjoy it :y
What irritates me is the Prius "I'm doing my bit, what about you?" attitude and the holding up drivers that would use less fuel at a constant 50mph in their highly efficient modern diesel.
I'm not saying this applies to you :y :y
You're quite correct CTP, it doesn't and it's very kind of you to say so :y :y
What would be eco-friendly would not fit in with manufacturers ambitions; a simple, safe, rust-proof/galvanised car/chassis/body designed for longevity, with easily interchangeable body panels, drivetrains and interiors which could be updated as technology improved or fashion changed.
I did do a long post titled "environmentally sensible..." but no-one responded and now I can't find it...
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Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
I don't know so much. :-/ Diesels suffer just as badly from urban driving as petrol cars, and at least a Prius is quiet. Eerily so at times. ;)
Kevin
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Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
I don't know so much. :-/ Diesels suffer just as badly from urban driving as petrol cars, and at least a Prius is quiet. EerilyFrighteningly so at times. ;)
Kevin
Yep... Had a couple of near misses in car parks when they start moving without checking for pedestrians... We can't hear you! >:( >:(
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Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
I don't know so much. :-/ Diesels suffer just as badly from urban driving as petrol cars, and at least a Prius is quiet. Eerily so at times. ;)
Kevin
Ok 27mph is maybe not the threshold....but what is the point of a Pruis on the motorway? Most diesels will crucify the economy of it.
Seems daft to me that you get C-charge free in Prius but not in an 60-80mpg diesel Panda (I had one and regularly got in the 70s).
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Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
I don't know so much. :-/ Diesels suffer just as badly from urban driving as petrol cars, and at least a Prius is quiet. Eerily so at times. ;)
Kevin
Ok 27mph is maybe not the threshold....but what is the point of a Pruis on the motorway? Most diesels will crucify the economy of it.
Seems daft to me that you get C-charge free in Prius but not in an 60-80mpg diesel Panda (I had one and regularly got in the 70s).
There is every point, it gets me - and many others no doubt - from A to B and as far as I'm concerned, CTP, fuel economy doesn't enter into it.
While most small diesel cars are busy 'crucifying' the Prius on the fuel economy front with the more expensive fuel of course - you got economy in the 70's I get 60 mpg in the summer, does it really matter - they are however also putting out NOx and small particulate matter at the roadside?
I can also assure you that the difference between the Prius driven over distance and a small diesel car such as the Panda would be quite obvious to those unfortunates who were obliged to suffer in the Panda - but perhaps that's unfair as I haven't had occasion to live with or to be driven in one, so can't really justify my comments.
HTH :y :y
In addition I certainly don't resent those people who have had the temerity to choose small diesel powered vehicles ;) ;) :)
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Above 27mph, a modern diesel is better in every way, including ecologically-especially if you take into account,actual fuel used, usable life before becoming uneconomical to repair and the huge amount of mercury etc (transported halfway around the world during manufacture) used in construction etc etc etc.
I don't know so much. :-/ Diesels suffer just as badly from urban driving as petrol cars, and at least a Prius is quiet. Eerily so at times. ;)
Kevin
Ok 27mph is maybe not the threshold....but what is the point of a Pruis on the motorway? Most diesels will crucify the economy of it.
Seems daft to me that you get C-charge free in Prius but not in an 60-80mpg diesel Panda (I had one and regularly got in the 70s).
There is every point, it gets me - and many others no doubt - from A to B and as far as I'm concerned, CTP, fuel economy doesn't enter into it.
While most small diesel cars are busy 'crucifying' the Prius on the fuel economy front with the more expensive fuel of course - you got economy in the 70's I get 60 mpg in the summer, does it really matter - they are however also putting out NOx and small particulate matter at the roadside.
I can also assure you that the difference between the Prius driven over distance and a small diesel car such as the Panda would be quite obvious to those unfortunates who were obliged to suffer with the Panda - but perhaps that's an unfair comment as I haven't has occasion to be driven in one so can't really justify my comments.
HTH :y :y
I've been in a few Priuseseses and owned a diesel Panda and agree the Prius is better on a run.
As said before-not a hit on you, but at the perception of the Prius as being the godly halo car that is the ANSWER to climate change-it is not, if you take into account the whole picture, just in the same way that electric cars are not "zero emission"-they run on electric, mostly supplied by burning fossil fuels.
But looking at it another way, the Prius has many nice attributes and is a damn sight cleaner than most cars-and if you like it, great :y
My argument is not against you, it is against the Pious Prius lot-especially the token gesture 27mph, heat the house to 80 degrees, fly long haul several times a year, eat mostly flown in foods lot ;)
I would have a Focus Econetic or something similar-less oh so holy shouty, much better to drive and similar real-life overal environmental impact.
HTMIC :y
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I've been in a few Priuseseses and owned a diesel Panda and agree the Prius is better on a run.
As said before-not a hit on you, but at the perception of the Prius as being the godly halo car that is the ANSWER to climate change-it is not, if you take into account the whole picture, just in the same way that electric cars are not "zero emission"-they run on electric, mostly supplied by burning fossil fuels.
But looking at it another way, the Prius has many nice attributes and is a damn sight cleaner than most cars-and if you like it, great :y
My argument is not against you, it is against the Pious Prius lot-especially the token gesture 27mph, heat the house to 80 degrees, fly long haul several times a year, eat mostly flown in foods lot ;)
I would have a Focus Econetic or something similar-less oh so holy shouty, much better to drive and similar real-life overal environmental impact.
HTMIC :y
Thank you CTP I know that you weren't having a go at me, I enjoy a discussion where all points of view come into play.
The only thing I don't understand is HTMIC as I can't find it on Google ;D ;D
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I've been in a few Priuseseses and owned a diesel Panda and agree the Prius is better on a run.
As said before-not a hit on you, but at the perception of the Prius as being the godly halo car that is the ANSWER to climate change-it is not, if you take into account the whole picture, just in the same way that electric cars are not "zero emission"-they run on electric, mostly supplied by burning fossil fuels.
But looking at it another way, the Prius has many nice attributes and is a damn sight cleaner than most cars-and if you like it, great :y
My argument is not against you, it is against the Pious Prius lot-especially the token gesture 27mph, heat the house to 80 degrees, fly long haul several times a year, eat mostly flown in foods lot ;)
I would have a Focus Econetic or something similar-less oh so holy shouty, much better to drive and similar real-life overal environmental impact.
HTMIC :y
Thank you CTP I know that you weren't having a go at me, I enjoy a discussion where all points of view come into play.
The only thing I don't understand is HTMIC as I can't find it on Google ;D ;D
Hope that makes it clear ;D
Obviously not ;D ;D
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Hope that makes it clear ;D
Obviously not ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D It does now (what am I like) ;D ;D :y