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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 08 February 2010, 09:26:44
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"Toyota is to order a humiliating global recall of the Prius — the hybrid electric car which has become the leader of the green motoring revolution.
In a deepening of the crisis at the world’s largest car manufacturer, Toyota will this week warn 300,000 Prius owners — 3,500 of them in the UK — that the brakes on their car may fail in icy conditions or on bumpy surfaces. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article7018630.ece
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
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Its a non-story, same as the accelerator one, being blown out of proportion by the UK media as there are no other sensations going on in the world.
Every single manufacturer has recalls. Don't ever here about the constant recalls on, for example, BMW Mini.
The accelerator one should have made a small column in the middle pages, simply because of the cost to Toyota. Neither of these issues would have caused lost profits (in new sales) had the media not been a bunch of jacked-up, self centred, moronic pillocks.
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"Toyota is to order a humiliating global recall of the Prius — the hybrid electric car which has become the leader of the green motoring revolution.
In a deepening of the crisis at the world’s largest car manufacturer, Toyota will this week warn 300,000 Prius owners — 3,500 of them in the UK — that the brakes on their car may fail in icy conditions or on bumpy surfaces. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article7018630.ece
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I wasn't too worried until I saw the 'bumpy surfaces' bit! There's a few of those around where I live (the UK). Yikes!
I can see the ECUs talking to each other.... 'which braking system shall we use when the wheels aren't in contact with the road?'.
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This is another examle of how the need for a Headline seems to take precidence over the mundane reality of the story.
The Prius braking problem, it is understood, can be fixed via a software upgrade that may take around an hour per car
The fault lies in the computer system that links the Prius’s two braking systems – one conventional, the other part of the energy-storage technology
There appears to be no 'brake failure' but a loss of feel as the regenerative system hands over to the convential one and can be overcome by simply pressing the pedal more firmly.
The software enhancement should address that problem.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Zulu, I think you automatically get labelled as an eco-terrorist if you own one. You are clearly in agreement with the arguments on AGW and must be rebuked without further discussion. ;)
God help us.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Zulu, I think you automatically get labelled as an eco-terrorist if you own one. You are clearly in agreement with the arguments on AGW and must be rebuked without further discussion. ;)
God help us.
Thank you Chris, I like my punishment firm - but not too firm, à la
Max Moseley :-* :-* :y
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Probably got that from me :-[, seeing I was not particularly favourable about them, having had the displeasure of having to drive a few of them >:(.
In my defence, I believe I only refered to it a SB, not a PSB, so he has probably used a bit of artistic licence - students will be students ;D
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Opps, sorry Nickbat. In true OOF form, we appear to have taken your original discussion on to a discussion on whether a Toyota MilkFloat is plastic or not. I don't believe the SB bit is under any debate ;D
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Probably got that from me :-[, seeing I was not particularly favourable about them, having had the displeasure of having to drive a few of them >:(.
In my defence, I believe I only refered to it a SB, not a PSB, so he has probably used a bit of artistic licence - students will be students ;D
Thank you for that explanation, as long as I understand why things are said I don't mind in the least. :y
As you have found, this is a car that won't suit everyone, I have had almost three years of very satisfactory service from my present vehicle and will change to another on it's third birthday.
I'm far from an eco freak, as many on the Climate Change threads will attest to.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
Not really in my experience, as the bloody petrol engine starts to pop a load of charge back in the rapidly flattening batteries.
Any modern similar size diesel will surpass its mpg hands down. And lugging 20 tonnes of dangerous chemicals about is never going to be economical...
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car :)
If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
Not really in my experience, as the bloody petrol engine starts to pop a load of charge back in the rapidly flattening batteries.
Any modern similar size diesel will surpass its mpg hands down. And lugging 20 tonnes of dangerous chemicals about is never going to be economical...
No real arguments from me... I'm not a fan ;) ;) ;)
Just playing Devil's Advocate :-X :-X
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
Thank you for taking the time to detail your opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.
Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.
I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive. It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.
I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.
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If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car :)
If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.
city centre, i would walk
As a matter of fact I agree with you - for the duration of my last London posting I did without a car (except for the official ones)
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
Thank you for taking the time to detail some of you opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.
Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.
I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive. It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.
I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.
Comfortable :o. Shows how we are all different - I couldn't walk for a week after an hour in the thing (but I do suffer with back pains - too much time up telegraph poles, usually dresses unsuitably :-[).
The tax thing is why so many of my lot now have them as company cars, so it suits their needs.
Still a SB imho though, but we all have different needs :y
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
Thank you for taking the time to detail your opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.
Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.
I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive. It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.
I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.
I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp
£12k for 2007 example!?
Mondeo TDCI, more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)
£7k for 2007 Mondeo
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p
Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)
So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
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I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp
£12k for 2007 example!?
Mondeo TDCI, more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)
£7k for 2007 Mondeo
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p
Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)
So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
I'll start by saying I hate that rather Milk Float. My choice, and my opinion, I'm entitled to at least that.
Anyway, we all have different requirements and tastes. I, for one, wouldn't be seen dead in those BMW crocks of brown, smelly stuff you idolise so much. I fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
Comprendy ;)
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I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp
£12k for 2007 example!?
Mondeo TDCI, more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)
£7k for 2007 Mondeo
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p
Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)
So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
I'll start by saying I hate that rather Milk Float. My choice, and my opinion, I'm entitled to at least that.
Anyway, we all have different requirements and tastes. I, for one, wouldn't be seen dead in those BMW crocks of brown, smelly stuff you idolise so much. I fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
Comprendy ;)
BMW is because of a lack of choice, 2.2 will need replacing at some point, name another RWD saloon with decent build, and smooth diesel engines?
300c - American crap build on top of poor merc build
E-Class - Too unreliable, not keen on the interiors
A8/A6 - Same as BMW image problems
Sat in 530d for first time, not blown away, tiny mirrors, twisty dials for climate :o
But if i want to stay RWD, not much left :-/
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BMW is because of a lack of choice, 2.2 will need replacing at some point, name another RWD saloon with decent build, and smooth diesel engines?
I can't name any decent build, RWD luxury diesel. Merc probably nearest
300c - American crap build on top of poor merc build
Agree
E-Class - Too unreliable, not keen on the interiors
Merc reliability is returning. Chassis not the most inspiring imho
A8/A6 - Same as BMW image problems
err, FWD. That said, I'd have an A6 diesel over a 3/5 series.
Sat in 530d for first time, not blown away, tiny mirrors, twisty dials for climate :o
Like Sony, a brand purely living on its past reputation, when they used to be superior.
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.
We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.
We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....
Never said it was :)
XF's are really quite nice, but carry a heafty price tag :'(
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I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp
£12k for 2007 example!?
Mondeo TDCI, more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)
£7k for 2007 Mondeo
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p
Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)
So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
I don't really disagree with you T but I didn't want a used car at the time.
When the warranty expired on my wife's Omega she didn't really know what to look at for a change.
She eventually settled on a Signum and wanted to know the merits of the 3 litre diesel over the 3.2 petrol so I took her to the local dealers in an attempt to find out.
Having been obliged to stand around for what seemed to be an eternity I sought out a sales person. I might as well have whistled 'Dixie' as it was apparent he wasn't really interested in selling a car. Wife got pissed off and left.
There was a VW dealer just down the road so I stopped there on the way past as I'd seen one or two of the new Passat models which looked to be quite nice. Again, after some time kicking tyres, a sales person reluctantly came over and tried to 'help'.
They couldn't offer a test drive in a Passat with the DSG 'box as from what I understood this was the equivilent of an auto - in fact they had no access to any DSG equipped car in their range at all and had no real interest in finding one to demonstate the worth, or otherwise, of the system. Wife got pissed again and left.
On the road home we were passing the Toyota dealership so I decided have a final try at getting a car that day. (having just returned from London I knew about the Prius anyway as they were becoming more numerous in government service.
We were immediately welcomed by a 'greeter' who fetched a salesperson without delay. The very polite, presentable and above all knowlegeable young man took his time to establish what our requirements were. When I mentioned the Prius he, again without delay, fetched the Prius manager who had a demonstrator brought round for an extended test drive.
He subsequently answered all questions about the car politely and with sound knowledge. My wife liked the car so we ordered one there and then. It was delivered 7 weeks later from Japan.
So, far from being a car obtained using environmental criteria this Prius was purchased as a result of two people being fed up with the indifferent attitude shown by staff at the two previous ports of call, one dealership the staff menbers of which dispalyed a professional attitude and the desire of two people who wanted to buy a car on that particular day.
Nothing more - nothing less.
There is little in life that has true status, a tin box on wheels certainly doesn't come even close to making the grade.
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I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp
£12k for 2007 example!?
Mondeo TDCI, more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)
£7k for 2007 Mondeo
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p
Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)
So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/
I don't really disagree with you T but I didn't want a used car at the time.
When the warranty expired on my wife's Omega she didn't really know what to look at for a change.
She eventually settled on a Signum and wanted to know the merits of the 3 litre diesel over the 3.2 petrol so I took her to the local dealers in an attempt to find out.
Having been obliged to stand around for what seemed to be an eternity I sought out a sales person. I might as well have whistled 'Dixie' as it was apparent he wasn't really interested in selling a car. Wife got pissed off and left.
There was a VW dealer just down the road so I stopped there on the way past as I'd seen one or two of the new Passat models which looked to be quite nice. Again, after some time kicking tyres, a sales person reluctantly came over and tried to 'help'.
They couldn't offer a test drive in a Passat with the DSG 'box as from what I understood this was the equivilent of an auto - in fact they had no access to any DSG equipped car in their range at all and had no real interest in finding one to demonstate the worth, or otherwise, of the system. Wife got pissed again and left.
On the road home we were passing the Toyota dealership so I decided have a final try at getting a car that day. (having just returned from London I knew about the Prius anyway as they were becoming more numerous in government service.
We were immediately welcomed by a 'greeter' who fetched a salesperson without delay. The very polite, presentable and above all knowlegeable young man took his time to establish what our requirements were. When I mentioned the Prius he, again without delay, fetched the Prius manager who had a demonstrator brought round for an extended test drive.
He subsequently answered all questions about the car politely and with sound knowledge. My wife liked the car so we ordered one there and then. It was delivered 7 weeks later from Japan.
So, far from being a car obtained using environmental criteria this Prius was purchased as a result of two people being fed up with the indifferent attitude shown by staff at the two previous ports of call, one dealership the staff menbers of which dispalyed a professional attitude and the desire of two people who wanted to buy a car on that particular day.
Nothing more - nothing less.
There is little in life that has true status, a tin box on wheels certainly doesn't come even close to making the grade.
In Vauxhall's case, the dealer network is the weak link. A lot of the jap dealers, Toyota included, have been much better. I nearly bought an early Avensis instead of the Omega, as the dealer was helpful.
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Totatly agree with you Zulu77 on the dealer part, i bought my first bike from a local garage, cost £2k. Few months later spotted a BMW GS 1150 there, i went by and asked for a test ride.
Their reply was, you going to buy it? - I don't know got to ride it first! - The said ok if you ride it will you buy it!?
Basically they wanted £20 for me to take it out for 15 mins, which i thought was a bit off, since i had spent £2k with them earlier in the year and its just a local little garage.
Rang BMW Oxford (motorbike not car bit) was told, sure you can try one, how does 4 hours sound? Told them i would be there 11 ish following Saturday.
Strolled in just gone 11, was greeted by name :o :o :o
Offered a propper cup of tea, walk around on the bike, demo of its controls ect, given the keys and told to have fun.
Worked, cause i bought from them a 56 Plate 1200 GS week later ;D
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Say what you like about Hybrid cars - they are not for everybody and I don't believe that they are going to be the magic bullet once the game has played out.
However, they are at least getting batteries, motors and control systems into vehicles and out onto the roads, and supporting the development thereof.
With that incentive for development, when the time comes that some lentil-muncher eventually drags me kicking and screaming out of my Omega there is a better chance of someone having developed an electric car that can do 0-60 in 8 seconds and comfortably carry 5 people at up to 149 MPH. ;)
I see them as a stepping stone along that route, in the same way that the Ford Model T was to an Omega. So, I'm glad that there are people like Zulu77 providing the impetus.
I'd just rather wait for the state of the art to move from the Model-T era too - ooh! let's see. At least the Aston DB5 / Jensen Interceptor era before I jump on the bandwagon. ;)
Kevin
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So, in conclusion, Zulu bought a car which is an acquired taste shall we say(I would say ugly personally) and is probably overpriced for what it is because the dealer was friendly and helpful and it suited his purpose.
Tunnie bought a motorbike which is also an acquired taste (most people would say if you had any taste you would never buy one) ;D...and I defy anyone to seriously argue that they arent ludicrously overpriced, but the dealer was friendly and helpful and it suited his purpose.
Motor trade sales people take note, you can sell anything if you treat people nicely and do your job properly. :y :)
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.
We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....
Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go XF
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Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go X
:-?
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.
We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....
Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go XF
That sounds like somebody who believes everything God Clarkson says...
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Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go X
:-?
God Clarkson has moved onto Audis being c0ckish
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Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go X
:-?
God Clarkson has moved onto Audis being c0ckish
Incorrectly, I might add...
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car :)
If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.
Not as cheap as a small petrol ;) :)
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The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600
How much for that plastic sh!t box!? :o
I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T :( :(
Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?
I was referring to 'plastic shit box'
I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?
I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.
Its my personal opinion of them in short form :y
In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.
Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.
If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.
For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.
You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.
Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway ::) ::)
If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car :)
If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.
Not as cheap as a small petrol ;) :)
Better still... A small LPG converted pertol :y :y
Probably be greener than any hybrid too ::) ::)
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So, in conclusion, Zulu bought a car which is an acquired taste shall we say(I would say ugly personally) and is probably overpriced for what it is because the dealer was friendly and helpful and it suited his purpose.
Tunnie bought a motorbike which is also an acquired taste (most people would say if you had any taste you would never buy one) ;D...and I defy anyone to seriously argue that they arent ludicrously overpriced, but the dealer was friendly and helpful and it suited his purpose.
Motor trade sales people take note, you can sell anything if you treat people nicely and do your job properly. :y :)
Like all BMW's they are, but i like its riding position, power delivery and smoooth ride. I mean 6k for a bike is insane, mine was cheap, brand new they are 10k :o
At the end of the day its a toy, a very expensive one, but still a toy. 8-)
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Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go X
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The c0cks have moved on to Audis
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Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it. Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those ::)
Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...
See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.
We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....
Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go XF
That sounds like somebody who believes everything God Clarkson says...
In this case I would say he was right, well around here it is, Audis are more popular than they were and total nobs in quite a few proving JC was right.
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Well the market for non OAP and non c0ck is basically 5 series vs XF and I think I would go X
:-?
God Clarkson has moved onto Audis being c0ckish
Incorrectly, I might add...
Very few 5s around here, seems to be mainly VAG products now.
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I just came across this. Toyota are recalling 133,000 odd cars for mods. Does anyone remember the 2,000,000 cars Mercedes recalled because of their Sensotronic brakes
http://www.smartplanet.com/technology/blog/thinking-tech/prius-recall-pales-next-to-faulty-software-in-mercedes-sensotronic-brakes/3003/
As had been said recalls are going on all the time, it just depends how much news is made of it.
Ken
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Read elsewhere:
I was about to get pulled over on the motorway for speeding by traffic cops today.
Luckily for me. A little old woman came screaming past at about 130 in a Toyota, looking all flustered and nervous.
The police immediately switched on the sirens and went belting off after her.
They must have been thinking the same thing as I was thinking.
Yep, she’s probably f**king nicked it.
;) ;D ;D ;D
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
OK, Guy. Accepted. :y
You'll see, though that I posted this thread - for information only - on Monday, just as the news about the Prius recall was breaking (and there is a member on here that has one). The fact that the media have since done the thing to death isn't my fault. ;)
Mind you, I rarely watch the news and I don't read any newspapers. You are right in noting that the media go on, and on, and on, and on, about a single issue until most of the population has either fallen asleep, or has thrown a brick though the TV! ;) ;D
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
Agreed. There must be break all else going on for it to get this much coverage. Either that or the government have paid off the media to generate a smoke screen.
FFS! They found problems and they're fixing them. Non story. Unlike GM or Ford, etc. who would have shredded any documentary evidence, stuck their heads in the sand and let people die until the law suits started getting too expensive.
Kevin
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
Agreed. There must be break all else going on for it to get this much coverage. Either that or the government have paid off the media to generate a smoke screen.
FFS! They found problems and they're fixing them. Non story. Unlike GM or Ford, etc. who would have shredded any documentary evidence, stuck their heads in the sand and let people die until the law suits started getting too expensive.
Kevin
Ooooh, you naughty little cynic! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
OK, Guy. Accepted. :y
You'll see, though that I posted this thread - for information only - on Monday, just as the news about the Prius recall was breaking (and there is a member on here that has one). The fact that the media have since done the thing to death isn't my fault. ;)
Mind you, I rarely watch the news and I don't read any newspapers. You are right in noting that the media go on, and on, and on, and on, about a single issue until most of the population has either fallen asleep, or has thrown a brick though the TV! ;) ;D
TV + brick= grumpy old tinker. Take note of todays equasion, we'll be asking questions later. ::)
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This is as boring as Toyotas themselves. The throttles & brakes will unstick & this will soon be forgotten about.
This is'nt news it's BORING & i'm surprised it was posted here in the first place let alone replied to. I've heard enough on the radio, read enough in the press & seen more than enough on the gogglebox.
PLEASE not here as well FFS!!!! ::) ::) >:(
Oh, pardon me for living, I'm sure. >:(
Sorry Nick. I usually enjoy your input but this toyota issue is just everywhere you go & now it's here as well. Can't get away from it!!!! Just me venting my spleen as usual, no personal offence intended, Guy.
OK, Guy. Accepted. :y
You'll see, though that I posted this thread - for information only - on Monday, just as the news about the Prius recall was breaking (and there is a member on here that has one). The fact that the media have since done the thing to death isn't my fault. ;)
Mind you, I rarely watch the news and I don't read any newspapers. You are right in noting that the media go on, and on, and on, and on, about a single issue until most of the population has either fallen asleep, or has thrown a brick though the TV! ;) ;D
TV + brick= grumpy old tinker. Take note of todays equasion, we'll be asking questions later. ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ooooh, you naughty little cynic! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
it has been said... But are you saying I'm wrong? ;)
Kevin
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Ooooh, you naughty little cynic! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
it has been said... But are you saying I'm wrong? ;)
Kevin
A list of notifiable defects are regularly published and circulated, covering all makes and marques, not just Toyota...
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/static/codeofpractice.htm
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This story first recieved wall to wall coverage in the U.S. I dont suppose the U.S. media would be trying to frighten the public away from Jap cars and back into the GM/Ford showrooms ? ::)
The latest episode in the story - Honda have recalled thousands of cars due to an airbag fault.