Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Arrolman on 15 February 2010, 14:07:39
-
Hi,
Whats the problems with it? Thought it needed cambelt/tyres etc, just the usual bits and pieces? Have you got any pics/info on Tax/MOT?
Cheers,
Iain
-
Taxed until end of May.
MOT until endish of March but I am going to put a new MOT on it when I return from France.
Pics are n FOR SALE section under SaranBailey.
I will not take less than I paid for it.
-
Di - cambelt kit and stat is all it needs - like I say, I'll do it as a favour, no need to sell :'(
-
Hi Di,
So is this the Elite Saranbailey was selling?
-
Hi Di,
So is this the Elite Saranbailey was selling?
Yep
-
Then why does it need a cambelt :-/, says in the ad that its just been fitted with a genuine GM kit?
-
Then why does it need a cambelt :-/, says in the ad that its just been fitted with a genuine GM kit?
The (handwritten) reciept Diane had was for about £98, which isnt enough to buy a kit, let alone fitting. There is no evidence of it being done, other than seller's word.
-
shame u didnt bother turning up for mine on friday having made several emails and phone calls to me about mine then!
-
shame u didnt bother turning up for mine on friday having made several emails and phone calls to me about mine then!
Take it on the chin matey... that's one of the joys of the motor trade!
-
At the time Simon I did not want one that had done 170k , but on hindsight I wish I had.
But we live and learn and a hard time is not what I need right now
D.
-
Hate people that state things in the advert then offer no proof of work being completed, shocking. Don't see it as a reason to sell it though, looks a cracker and must be one of the last made, well worth getting it sorted, its a one off cost and you'll know it good for many miles more :y, would bite the bullet and keep it Diane!!
-
Hate people that state things in the advert then offer no proof of work being completed, shocking.
I've personally done both Head gaskets, cambelt kit, DIS, camcover gaskets - stat - the works, on my Omega, all within the last 3k.
I can't find any of the reciepts...... ::)
-
Di... Get the work done and keep it... It looks really nice :y :y
You will end up losing money if you sell it on now as your concerns have been aired ;) ;)
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
-
Hate people that state things in the advert then offer no proof of work being completed, shocking.
I've personally done both Head gaskets, cambelt kit, DIS, camcover gaskets - stat - the works, on my Omega, all within the last 3k.
I can't find any of the reciepts...... ::)
Can't find any of the history/receipts for mine at the moment... Must dig them out actually as I'm probably going to be selling it soon ::)
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
I must have missed something... Description made it out to be pretty good but Di seems to be having into a lot of problems :( :(
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
I must have missed something... Description made it out to be pretty good but Di seems to be having into a lot of problems :( :(
At the end of the day, the low temp issue is annoying, but all in all it's only consumable / servicing stuff really
I can see how it's scary to Di, though...
-
Di, get James to do the cambelt kit and get the rest finished when you get back. ;)
-
shame u didnt bother turning up for mine on friday having made several emails and phone calls to me about mine then!
And being honest Di, you bought the better car, yours has less mileage, its younger and it will still have cost less even when you've had it serviced ;)
-
shame u didnt bother turning up for mine on friday having made several emails and phone calls to me about mine then!
And being honest Di, you bought the better car, yours has less mileage, its younger and it will still have cost less even when you've had it serviced ;)
its also retail spec, and has all the toys. :)
-
Hate people that state things in the advert then offer no proof of work being completed, shocking. Don't see it as a reason to sell it though, looks a cracker and must be one of the last made, well worth getting it sorted, its a one off cost and you'll know it good for many miles more :y, would bite the bullet and keep it Diane!!
Di, i was in a similar situation with mine - bought it, assured that all of the work had been done, only to find out the timing belt was well overdue. James fixed that up for me, and I ended up suing the seller (successfully) for the belt, but became disheartened at the cost of all the other stuff to be done, and like you, wanted rid..... but I've stuck with it, and it's now turning into a pretty decent motor.... I'd have never been able to sell it for what I paid for it, but now, fingers crossed, the pain has been worth it - hang in there :y
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
Coming to all this rather late in the day. Whats misleading about the add? Why should the seller be banned?
Ultimately, buying and selling anything, anywhere, the rule remains as 'caveat emptor' - buyer beware.
Diane - its fine stating that you will not reduce your price below what you paid - thats fair enough - but I cannot see anywhere what you actually paid. Your business (and the sellers), no one else's. If you are selling, then a full and fair add would go a long way....
My tuppenceworth remains the same. You bought it after perusing the forum to gain an insight into the marque. You have asked questions of many, recieved info and advice from a lot, and offers of hands on help from several. I say you will have the better car for getting it fettled whilst you are away in a hire car to france or, indeed, when you return so you can oversee the work. The final car you run will be all the better for it.... :y
-
I am going over this evening to have a thorough look over it - I'm sure it will not all be as bad as it seems :y
-
From what I have read there doesn't seem to be that much wrong with it and certainly nothing that would make me sell.
Stick with it :y
-
Having read some of the posts I don't see anything that is substantially misleading in the ad. We all know that second hand cars of this age,
a)get bigged up by the seller
b) always need some fettling to get them tiptop. Presumably the dodgy cambelt document was available at the time of sale, likewise thin rubber and would have been negotiation points. The stat is but a 25 quid part given James remarkable offer to fit it.
I personally have no idea what was paid - why not just say how much, rather than make cryptic comments?
Cheers,
Ian
-
I would say stick with it as well,I am at the bottom end of the market with my estate and at times have been frustrated with it to say the least but there is light at the end of the(very long in my case) tunnel.You have by all accounts got a very nice looking car that I can only dream of and it would be a shame to throw away something that with a little tlc will be worth every penny.Chin up and all that. :y
-
£2400 paid I believe, although not sure the real value of the car
:y
-
Have you had this car looked over today?
-
Who said you cant buy a cambelt kit for £98 ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Calibra-Vectra-Omega-V6-Timing-Cam-Belt-Kit_W0QQitemZ260546748298QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ca9cbdf8a
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
Coming to all this rather late in the day. Whats misleading about the add? Why should the seller be banned?
Ultimately, buying and selling anything, anywhere, the rule remains as 'caveat emptor' - buyer beware.
Diane - its fine stating that you will not reduce your price below what you paid - thats fair enough - but I cannot see anywhere what you actually paid. Your business (and the sellers), no one else's. If you are selling, then a full and fair add would go a long way....
My tuppenceworth remains the same. You bought it after perusing the forum to gain an insight into the marque. You have asked questions of many, recieved info and advice from a lot, and offers of hands on help from several. I say you will have the better car for getting it fettled whilst you are away in a hire car to france or, indeed, when you return so you can oversee the work. The final car you run will be all the better for it.... :y
"i then bought it from him in October 2009.
It has full service stamps up to 74,000 miles. Has just had a genuine GM cam kit fitted. There is no need to do water pump as it does not run off of the cam belt but an auxillory belt and i was advised by Vauhall technition not to change."
If that`s not misleading what else do you call it. The seller has implied new cam kit just fitted, very doubtful with no documentary evidence to support. But as you say "caveat emptor"
-
Who said you cant buy a cambelt kit for £98 ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Calibra-Vectra-Omega-V6-Timing-Cam-Belt-Kit_W0QQitemZ260546748298QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ca9cbdf8a
Can get a cambelt kit for alot less than £98, but I think the receipt pointed at it being installed too for that price.......
-
With mileage adjustment the car is worth in a private sale about what you paid for it.circa £2300.that would be for a car in very good condition with service history and needing nothing doing to it.Deduct from this price the cost of essential repairs,also they put back on the original alloys with worn tyres . You will have to spend money on it if you want the purchase price back.
-
With mileage adjustment the car is worth in a private sale about what you paid for it.circa £2300.that would be for a car in very good condition with service history and needing nothing doing to it.Deduct from this price the cost of essential repairs,also they put back on the original alloys with worn tyres . You will have to spend money on it if you want the purchase price back.
I thought the same to be honest, but didnt want to upset Diane further by saying it.....
:-[
-
Just my opinion. Seller should be banned as it does appear that the car was purchased in good faith and based on seller`s description which, to put it mildly, was misleading >:(
Coming to all this rather late in the day. Whats misleading about the add? Why should the seller be banned?
Ultimately, buying and selling anything, anywhere, the rule remains as 'caveat emptor' - buyer beware.
Diane - its fine stating that you will not reduce your price below what you paid - thats fair enough - but I cannot see anywhere what you actually paid. Your business (and the sellers), no one else's. If you are selling, then a full and fair add would go a long way....
My tuppenceworth remains the same. You bought it after perusing the forum to gain an insight into the marque. You have asked questions of many, recieved info and advice from a lot, and offers of hands on help from several. I say you will have the better car for getting it fettled whilst you are away in a hire car to france or, indeed, when you return so you can oversee the work. The final car you run will be all the better for it.... :y
"i then bought it from him in October 2009.
It has full service stamps up to 74,000 miles. Has just had a genuine GM cam kit fitted. There is no need to do water pump as it does not run off of the cam belt but an auxillory belt and i was advised by Vauhall technition not to change."
If that`s not misleading what else do you call it. The seller has implied new cam kit just fitted, very doubtful with no documentary evidence to support. But as you say "caveat emptor"
It says service history to 74k.
It says genuine GM cambelt kit fitted - be that heavily cash discounted, 5 finger discounted or whatever - and 'just' fitted. That could mean 5 minutes ago, 5 hours/days/weeks/months or whatever the seller/buyer AGREE to, not suppose/assume without further enquiry.
Selling is different to buying, hence Caveat Emptor...
As said, cant see whats misleading - but can see where someone can see but not read whats there.....
-
Personally, "just fitted" to me means fitted within the last month or so......
:y
-
Who said you cant buy a cambelt kit for £98 ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Calibra-Vectra-Omega-V6-Timing-Cam-Belt-Kit_W0QQitemZ260546748298QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ca9cbdf8a
Can get a cambelt kit for alot less than £98, but I think the receipt pointed at it being installed too for that price.......
not according to James, earlier in the thread. ;)
-
I told Diane i was staying WELL CLEAR of the car after communicating with saranbailey and them choosing which questions to answer(the ones that suited them!).If you read both threads on the car they put up you can see evidence of that. I had an uncomfortable feeling about the car but having been ,in my eyes reprimandeby hotel 21 as to future behaviour on the for sale section.i reeled my neck in!
This car like all others for sale on here should have been made to run the gauntlet!
You have a forum all to do with helping each other and then a protection policy being operated for sellers.Too easy for an unscrupulous member to dump a lemon of a car on the unsuspecting and then dump the forum.
-
I told Diane i was staying WELL CLEAR of the car after communicating with saranbailey and them choosing which questions to answer(the ones that suited them!).If you read both threads on the car they put up you can see evidence of that. I had an uncomfortable feeling about the car but having been ,in my eyes reprimandeby hotel 21 as to future behaviour on the for sale section.i reeled my neck in!
This car like all others for sale on here should have been made to run the gauntlet!
You have a forum all to do with helping each other and then a protection policy being operated for sellers.Too easy for an unscrupulous member to dump a lemon of a car on the unsuspecting and then dump the forum.
Absolute 'dangle berries'! If you think reprimanded, thats upto you....
If you have something to say about a sales thread then do as is done by any car found anywhere - discuss it in genchat!
Dont diss a thread just because you disagree. If it was in a forum other than OOF you would link to it, so do the same, for goodness sake.... Its not rocket science.... >:(
A sales thread is that. If someone is interested then post away asking questions of import but dont shit stir or over enthuse.....
-
I'm not being funny but why should the seller be banned? Is it his fault that no checks were carried out properly? If I had a penny for everytime words on a for sale add had been mis-leading I'd be a very rich man. Di no offence but you bought it, now you're trying to sell it for the same price with all these issue's you've found :-? Isn't that doing exactly the same thing? If all checks had been carried out properly we wouldn't be having this issue now would we! Yes the seller has to accept some of the blame but he didn't buy it did he.
-
Agreed......Diane decided to buy the car on a motorway service area, without opening even the bonnet and has paid the price for her naivity
Cant really blame the seller, if the buyer wasnt asking the right (if any) questions why would the seller volunteer information that may lose a sale.......??
A lesson in how NOT to buy a car.....
:y
-
I hope this is not going to degenerate into a slanging match. :o
OK, I hope it does. ;D ;D ;D
-
I hope this is not going to degenerate into a slanging match. :o
OK, I hope it does. ;D ;D ;D
In stirrer mode again I see. ;D ;D
-
maybe we/OOf should consider ditching the 'For Sale' section .... .it seems to cause more hassle than any other! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
-
maybe we/OOf should consider ditching the 'For Sale' section .... .it seems to cause more hassle than any other! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
It certainly generates some lively if not always constructive debate! :) :)
-
maybe we/OOf should consider ditching the 'For Sale' section .... .it seems to cause more hassle than any other! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Does seem to take a lot of moderating by the admins, but then genuine sellers like Josh will loose out :(
Maybe increase the post count to 1,000 or something to insure only real members of the community have the ability to sell.
-
....
but then genuine sellers like Josh will loose out :(
......
There's still th'Autotrader ...... like in th'olden days days before t'internet! ::) ::) ;)
-
The for sale section should be treated in the same way as ebay or any other means of buying a car - ie buyer beware. If people expect the truth and nothing but the truth because the seller is a forum member then I think they are being naive tbh. And I dont think the admins can police it any more than they do already. Its always going to be a bit of a minefield no matter where you buy a car.
-
maybe we/OOf should consider ditching the 'For Sale' section .... .it seems to cause more hassle than any other! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
On that, young Andrew, I think you would have the agreement of most, if not all, mods/admins.
OOF is a site for talking 'dangle berries' about omegas and, as a result, the sales section blossomed.
What folks really really need to get their heads around is......
The sales section is really no more than an online e-bay/yellow paper/pistonheads/card in a phone box/insert as appropriate.
If you want to rip an add to bits and give it a new arsehole, do it in the correct place!
There is an overabundance of info on here as to whats good/bad/indifferent so browse, learn, ask questions and then purchase wisely, fully armed in new knowledge after making fine judgement, irrespective of whether you are a newbie or a crusty old goat that would not otherwise see past a Senator Omega.... ;) :y
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
-
.....
On that, young Andrew, ......
It's been a while since I was called that! ;D ;D ;D
-
For once I think Tunnie has a valid point. :y ;D
-
Start from this point:
I am thinking of buying an omega. Therefore I must be mentally deficient and deserve to be ripped off.
You can't go wrong :y
-
For once I think Tunnie has a valid point. :y ;D
:o :o :o :-X
-
Did you fall off your chair Tunnie ? :-/ :P ;D ;D
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
You'll get more of these .......
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1266262703 ::) ::)
-
Start from this point:
I am thinking of buying an omega. Therefore I must be mentally deficient and deserve to be ripped off.
You can't go wrong :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
Did you fall off your chair Tunnie ? :-/ :P ;D ;D
Mother tunnie is not pleased, beer is all over the carpet now ::) ;D ;D ;D
-
the trading is always between the buyer and the seller..no less no more..its not the sites responsibility to check every car for sale..
if the buyer/seller asks help there will be many members ready to help.. but at the end of day its their responsibility..
and if you buy a car that needs some extra repair (as is the usual case) , whats wrong with it..
-
Aren't we all losing a bit of perspective here?
As I've read it, it's not as if the car has been found to be a ringer or something.
State of the tyres and bonnet catch should have been found during inspection and negotiation before purchase. It's unfortunate that Di didn't pick them up but we've all missed the obvious when buying a car - once, at least.
That leaves a thermostat and a cam belt history not necessarily trusted. Thermostat failure is not unknown on this engine and I (in common with many on this forum, I suspect) wouldn't trust cam belt history on a V6 anyway. I'd get it done for peace of mind. I'm sure many are sold without a genuine cam belt history or where the full kit hasn't been replaced, etc.
On the whole, I don't believe I'd be too unhappy if I'd bought this car - unless I've missed something? :-/
Kevin
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
You'll get more of these .......
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1266262703 ::) ::)
binned....
-
Aren't we all losing a bit of perspective here?
As I've read it, it's not as if the car has been found to be a ringer or something.
State of the tyres and bonnet catch should have been found during inspection and negotiation before purchase. It's unfortunate that Di didn't pick them up but we've all missed the obvious when buying a car - once, at least.
That leaves a thermostat and a cam belt history not necessarily trusted. Thermostat failure is not unknown on this engine and I (in common with many on this forum, I suspect) wouldn't trust cam belt history on a V6 anyway. I'd get it done for peace of mind. I'm sure many are sold without a genuine cam belt history or where the full kit hasn't been replaced, etc.
On the whole, I don't believe I'd be too unhappy if I'd bought this car - unless I've missed something? :-/
Kevin
agreed.... :y
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
You'll get more of these .......
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1266262703 ::) ::)
True, but increasing the post count is the only way to get established members selling cars, which is less likely to generate issues. So far only had 1 member with big post count cause problems, i think higher post count limit would reduce number of issues / moderating
-
Agreed. :y
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
What difference will that make.
As H21 says, sell the cars in the sales section,talk about them in the gen chat. 1000 posts wont stop it degrading into a free for all.
The latest ad in question seems to have been done openly and honestly,apart from a list of bad things about the car.
I have said this before and will say it again.
A set structure needs to be implementd for the seller toabide by.
Age/model/colour/miles/owners etc etc.
Pics, inside/outside/engine bay and boot.
Service history/MOT/TAX.
List of recent work or upgrades and a list of badpoints.
When posted, genuine questions only.
If the forum then want to chat about it goodor bad, then take it general chat and link it to the sales thread.
There is room to pull both buyer and seller in the case of the of the sale of the car.AsH21 says, Buyer Beware and sadly Diane has a lot on her plate and not done a lot of things in maybe the way most of us might of. Allthough it does seem seehas bought basicaly a cracking good car that has a few niggles with it. With a littletime and a few quid invested i reckon there is a good car there for the next few years.
It seems also that the good oldGenuine OOF spirit is there and it is just a matter od time before all is made good.
Appologies for any bad speeling or spacing, yet annother keyboard (only opened yesterday) that has got tight keys. >:(
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
that saranbailey if i remember had 98 posts,it would be easy to join the forum quickly build a post count up and then shift a few motors be it one or two with a few faults and then bugger off so aye increasing post counts to be able to sell could work but then be it a forum for omegas youve got the vast knowledge of the members to try and pull the wool over so it is down to the buyer at the end of the day to check what your buying before exchanging any pennies...if someones got a car for sale and someone comes kicks the tyres and hands the cash over theyre gonna take it but it does sound like he took advantage of a woman in the wind and rain to rush the sale in a services car park..but as said its to the buyer to check the car before buying
-
wack the post count up to 1,000 to post in there and see what happens i think :y
that saranbailey if i remember had 98 posts,it would be easy to join the forum quickly build a post count up and then shift a few motors be it one or two with a few faults and then bugger off so aye increasing post counts to be able to sell could work but then be it a forum for omegas youve got the vast knowledge of the members to try and pull the wool over so it is down to the buyer at the end of the day to check what your buying before exchanging any pennies...if someones got a car for sale and someone comes kicks the tyres and hands the cash over theyre gonna take it but it does sound like he took advantage of a woman in the wind and rain to rush the sale in a services car park..but as said its to the buyer to check the car before buying
Lets take a wee reality check.....
If you are looking for a particularly tasty car (like a late model, 3.2 Elite with all the toys) and find one on Autotrader.
Do you:-
a) thrust the asking price in cold hard smelly 50's into the sellers hand, pleading for them to release the car or, shudder, do they need more dosh?
b) Ask a vague question or three before parting with the asking price?
c) Scan the market and the freely available info on the net, ask a few pertinant questions and then negotiate around what you consider a fair price, meeting the seller half way?
d) Heard the info before, chose to set it aside in the rush to buy what appears to be a nice example, then, in the cold light of the following morning, ask the world if I done well?
e) Buy in haste and then ask for advice and be totally shocked when the answers do not support what I thought/hoped they might, despite advice on how to get the problem sorted with minimal cash outlay??
To be truthfull, I'm now leaving this discussion as I, as an admin, am now too wrought up in it and could be seen to be being biased and condescending...
schtuum :-X
:-X
-
I personally think the lass should keep the car - she's had a very generous offer to have the cambelt kit fitted as a favour, by a well known forum member.
Thermostat and bonnet cable aren't really that challenging for someone of his ability, so I think the lady could well 'get off lightly' there!
Once these issues are sorted, she'l have a cracking Omega. :y
Thing is, as said, we've probably all bought a car and found summat wrong that we didn't know about. My MV6 wasn't as perfect as I thought, but luckily, nothing serious and I just took it on the chin - I still speak to the seller on Facebook, so it wasn't so bad!!!
If you don't know your cars when buying, ask someone who does and get them to go with you when seeing a potential purchase. ;)
-
Who said you cant buy a cambelt kit for £98 ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Calibra-Vectra-Omega-V6-Timing-Cam-Belt-Kit_W0QQitemZ260546748298QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ca9cbdf8a
Yep! bought mine from them last June for exactly the same price. Genuine 'Gates' kit :y
-
I certainly don't think Di has bought a lemon... When I buy a car (any car) I expect to service it and stick a Cam Belt Kit/Water pump and Axillary belt on, without even viewing the car, no matter what the blurb says. If there is solid proof that I don't need to do any of those it's a bonus :y :y
Tyres are a consumable and also a very personal part... I'm happy enough with the High-end Budget Tyres I use but someone like MDTM/TB may find the limits more restricting than I do (being a respectable member of the community who never speeds ::) :-X) and want to change them... I have 4 reasonably new tyres fitted at present and would expect that to be reflected in the asking price.
Wheel alignment is something which, due to the dreadful condition of our roads (particularly at this time), needs doing Annually really... I know mine would benefit from the "Bones' Magic", although not desperately :y
Thermostats, HBVs, wishbones, idlers and any other number of parts fail... ...$h1t happens! Live with it! Mine was an Ebay swap... It looked (on the surface) like I'd had the better deal by a long way until I started digging into it and realise I was staring down the barrel of a £400+ parts bill and a fair bit of work :o :o As it happens, I'm perfectly happy and only want to change it because I want a newer one (and an Estate)
In short... It wasn't purely down to the seller. Di has rushed into a purchase because of the other things happening in her life, which none of us know about in detail, and should have known better after her time on here. She's not used to buying cars and probably (in hindsight) wishes she'd taken someone from here along to have a look. But, that is no reason to "get rid" of what looks to be a car in very good condition... Judging from what I've read and interpreted from here, I would probably have ended up offering just under £2k for the car (and had seriously considered going and having a look) and spent out on the repairs.
At the end of the day... It looks like a really nice car and, with a little bit of money (even less at James' Labour rate ::) ::)) it will be an example to be proud of :y :y