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Title: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 16:29:43
A calin made by Tyron is that these bands must be good, cos the emergency services use them. http://www.caravan-advice.co.uk/tyron-bands.html Any current or retired members able to back up this claim. Personaly I think they're just very well marketed hype.
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Nickbat on 21 February 2010, 16:33:49
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A calin made by Tyron is that these bands must be good, cos the emergency services use them. http://www.caravan-advice.co.uk/tyron-bands.html Any current or retired members able to back up this claim. Personaly I think they're just very well marketed hype.


"The Multiband is fitted by the MOD, is NATO approved, and now specified by Police and Ambulance services throughout the world"

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/tracks/tyron/
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: hotel21 on 21 February 2010, 16:38:29
My force area does not use them and, as far as I know, no other Scottish force does.  Would be interesting to see what evidence backs up the claim from the seller that "They are fitted to most police traffic cars and emergency vehicles" and "the Police and emergency services fit them to their vehicles so they must be worth the expense."

Would bet that they cant.....  ::)
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Entwood on 21 February 2010, 16:40:35
Their advertising is very specific ..  so I'm guessing the ASA would be very upset if it wasn't true ....


http://www.tyron.com/tyron-MultiBands.pdf
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: hotel21 on 21 February 2010, 16:45:54
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Their advertising is very specific ..  so I'm guessing the ASA would be very upset if it wasn't true ....


http://www.tyron.com/tyron-MultiBands.pdf

The above link is vague in the extreme as regards numbers.  Given there are numerous Police forces around the world, if more than two of them use the bands then that gives the 'Police Forces around the world' claim.

Looks like old police pictures as well??  Or am I just being cynical??   :-/
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Gaffers on 21 February 2010, 17:17:27
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A calin made by Tyron is that these bands must be good, cos the emergency services use them. http://www.caravan-advice.co.uk/tyron-bands.html Any current or retired members able to back up this claim. Personaly I think they're just very well marketed hype.


"The Multiband is fitted by the MOD, is NATO approved, and now specified by Police and Ambulance services throughout the world"

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/tracks/tyron/

Never seen them on our vehicles  :-/
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Proz on 21 February 2010, 17:21:25
Been in fire service both civil and military for longer than i care to remember and i have never heard of them  :-/
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: sexydaz on 21 February 2010, 17:37:01
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A calin made by Tyron is that these bands must be good, cos the emergency services use them. http://www.caravan-advice.co.uk/tyron-bands.html Any current or retired members able to back up this claim. Personaly I think they're just very well marketed hype.
i fit these on caravans and can say that they do the job as advertised..ive heard customers stories and seen the aftermath of a blow out and how the tyron band saved the caravan and can help with the control of your vehicle to pull over safely  :y
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 18:19:57
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A calin made by Tyron is that these bands must be good, cos the emergency services use them. http://www.caravan-advice.co.uk/tyron-bands.html Any current or retired members able to back up this claim. Personaly I think they're just very well marketed hype.
i fit these on caravans and can say that they do the job as advertised..ive heard customers stories and seen the aftermath of a blow out and how the tyron band saved the caravan and can help with the control of your vehicle to pull over safely  :y

As far as I understand it, a Tyron band stops the tyre from moving sideways under hard cornering, more applicable on older rims without a safety lip, so how does it work better than the safety lip/hump of a modern rim? Your tyre will stay put. As Chris said the other day, even at speed, he wasn't really aware that his tyre had blown to start with and his tyre didn't come off the rim.
How do these people with bands fitted know that the band had anything to do with the tyre not coming off the rim? IMHO they don't, and have just swallowed a good marketing hype. I'd have thought that the steel belt would be more significant in keeping the caravan in one piece.
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: tunnie on 21 February 2010, 18:23:10
forget all that, what you want is the 'tunnie-burger-van-protector MkII"

(http://areopagus1.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/dynamite_1.jpg)

You light it, and its guaranteed to keep it safe  ::)
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Gaffers on 21 February 2010, 18:30:40
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forget all that, what you want is the 'tunnie-burger-van-protector MkII"

(http://areopagus1.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/dynamite_1.jpg)

You light it, and its guaranteed to keep it safe  ::)

You might want to run away at some point.... ;D
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Dan1005 on 21 February 2010, 18:42:22
Tunnie I like your thinking! *Up until the forgetting to run after lighting**  ;D

Seriously though, If these bands really do work by getting rid of the indentation in the rim (that has to be there for taking on and off the tire, but doesn't matter if it is filled by this band) wouldn't a better idea be just for rim manufactures to make new rims that don't have that indentation? Cause obviously it is possible to get the tires off with a band in the way of the "necessary" indentation...  :-? or am I just misreading something???
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: sexydaz on 21 February 2010, 18:58:56
the best way to find how they work is to try and take a tyre off a rim that has the band fitted then you would see how they work :y
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Dan1005 on 21 February 2010, 19:11:22
hmm yeah, now I think about it, Indentations are pretty useful for removing the tire (used to work in service station and did tire changes alot).. but we also did some tires off rims without much of an indentation (drag guys who had manufactured own rims)... I just couldnt understand how you could take tire off with that band fitted still.. but looked at pictures again and think I got it cleared in my head...

Just a thought though,, on this advertisement http://www.tyron.com/tyron-MultiBands.pdf  that first picture looks to me to be a side wall blow out, which even with a band means the tire would be destroyed and off the rim...
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Entwood on 21 February 2010, 19:31:26
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hmm yeah, now I think about it, Indentations are pretty useful for removing the tire (used to work in service station and did tire changes alot).. but we also did some tires off rims without much of an indentation (drag guys who had manufactured own rims)... I just couldnt understand how you could take tire off with that band fitted still.. but looked at pictures again and think I got it cleared in my head...

Just a thought though,, on this advertisement http://www.tyron.com/tyron-MultiBands.pdf  that first picture looks to me to be a side wall blow out, which even with a band means the tire would be destroyed and off the rim...


You don't ... the tyre is fitted as normal, then the whole of one side is pushed across to the other, then the band is fitted. Tyre then repositioned and inflated.

To remove the tyre you compress, then remove the band, then remove the tyre . .....  :)
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 19:43:13
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hmm yeah, now I think about it, Indentations are pretty useful for removing the tire (used to work in service station and did tire changes alot).. but we also did some tires off rims without much of an indentation (drag guys who had manufactured own rims)... I just couldnt understand how you could take tire off with that band fitted still.. but looked at pictures again and think I got it cleared in my head...

Just a thought though,, on this advertisement http://www.tyron.com/tyron-MultiBands.pdf  that first picture looks to me to be a side wall blow out, which even with a band means the tire would be destroyed and off the rim...


You don't ... the tyre is fitted as normal, then the whole of one side is pushed across to the other, then the band is fitted. Tyre then repositioned and inflated.

To remove the tyre you compress, then remove the band, then remove the tyre . .....  :)

C'mon then Nige! What are your thoughts?  :-/ Well marketed hype or do they think they actually do something, other than psychologically?

I'm not convinced  ...... but you might have already guessed that!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: rob in gib on 21 February 2010, 19:46:01
In my time working for a major tyre company i must have fitted hundreds of TYRON bands mainly to caravans and campers
also attended a training course with Tyron
and yes you fit the tyre as normal then fit the bands to the rims to effectively remove the well thus limiting the chance of the tyre coming off the rim in the event of depressurization

and can i point out that 80% of tyre blowouts are in fact caused by slow punctures in the first place hth
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 19:48:29
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and can i point out that 80% of tyre blowouts are in fact caused by slow punctures in the first place hth

Exactly! Which is why some king of tyre pressure monitor would be a better idea than the Tyron band to give fore warning!  :y
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 19:51:17
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 effectively remove the well thus limiting the chance of the tyre coming off the rim in the event of depressurization
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So .... am I right in saying that, bands were originally fitted to help prevent tyre beads from coming off the rims before rims were routinely fitted with safety ledges/humps to hold the bead in place?
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: rob in gib on 21 February 2010, 19:57:57
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 effectively remove the well thus limiting the chance of the tyre coming off the rim in the event of depressurization
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So .... am I right in saying that, bands were originally fitted to help prevent tyre beads from coming off the rims before rims were routinely fitted with safety ledges/humps to hold the bead in place?

you are partially correct Andy but most standard rims do not have a safety hump and believe me the difference with the bands fitted can be live saving

my personal choice given today's technology would be run flat tyres with a pressure monitoring system :y 
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 20:15:53
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 but most standard rims do not have a safety hump and  .....

They don't?  :-?
I thought they did  :-/ You mean ally or steel or just in general? If there was no safety hump on my car's rims, why do you have to blow a tyre up to silly psi to get it to seat properly?
I'm having a look at my caravan's rim tomorrow .... if it's warmer than today has been!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 20:17:31
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[ .... with a pressure monitoring system :y 

and am I right in saying that we'll soon be following USA's lead and making them a legal requirement on new cars in a couple of years?  :-/  ;)
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: rob in gib on 21 February 2010, 20:43:44
i mean all rims in general

in the last ten years they have been using a secondary bead this does help but is mainly there to aid the seating and therefore sealing on the bead

the only wheels i can remember having a safety hump was the TD double bead system fitted to metro montego and jaguar cars
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 20:58:03
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i mean all rims in general

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So how does the tyre stay put when you're giving it some around a corner? Why isn't it moved side ways off its seat?
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: sexydaz on 21 February 2010, 21:06:48
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i mean all rims in general

in the last ten years they have been using a secondary bead this does help but is mainly there to aid the seating and therefore sealing on the bead

the only wheels i can remember having a safety hump was the TD double bead system fitted to metro montego and jaguar cars
i remember them..the tyres were worth more than the car ;D bloody expensive and only one manufacturer iirc back in the day when i was doin that job...dunlop i think
Title: Re: a question for 'emergency' services
Post by: Vamps on 21 February 2010, 21:20:51
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i mean all rims in general

in the last ten years they have been using a secondary bead this does help but is mainly there to aid the seating and therefore sealing on the bead

the only wheels i can remember having a safety hump was the TD double bead system fitted to metro montego and jaguar cars
i remember them..the tyres were worth more than the car ;D bloody expensive and only one manufacturer iirc back in the day when i was doin that job...dunlop i think

Correct.... :y
And those tyre inserts have been around for years and years, so nothing new.. :D :D :D