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Title: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Martin_1962 on 28 February 2010, 12:10:30
I have had a ASDL V1.0 socket fitted with a  rounded top.

Through the post I have had an I-Plate insert

It doesn't look like I could fit both at the same time.

Which should be used please?

Thanks

Martin
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 28 February 2010, 16:21:56
Whats the I Plate insert for?

You shouldn't need anything other than the BT ADSL socket as you punch down the extension socket wiring inside it IIRC
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Plomien on 28 February 2010, 16:43:12
if it is a built in filter then front plate should just unscrew off and replace it with the new plate
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 12:11:04
Forget the bloody iplate. It does little more than disconnect the ringing circuit (which is better done manually anyway).

It would appear than the SSF you already have is one of the best filters available, and is certainly what I use.
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 12:14:22
Ive just picked up an new set of dect phones for the father in law...

whenever his broadband router is turned on, there is a lot of 'modem' noise on the line IF and internal extensions are connected.
(tried all combinations of removing things and 3 different routers)

So unplugging the lot and having everything in the main socket.
Jobs a good un

Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 12:16:16
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Ive just picked up an new set of dect phones for the father in law...

whenever his broadband router is turned on, there is a lot of 'modem' noise on the line IF and internal extensions are connected.
(tried all combinations of removing things and 3 different routers)

So unplugging the lot and having everything in the main socket.
Jobs a good un


Thats shite quality ADSL microfilters....

I still rate these:

http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 12:19:44
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Ive just picked up an new set of dect phones for the father in law...

whenever his broadband router is turned on, there is a lot of 'modem' noise on the line IF and internal extensions are connected.
(tried all combinations of removing things and 3 different routers)

So unplugging the lot and having everything in the main socket.
Jobs a good un


Thats shite quality ADSL microfilters....

I still rate these:

http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php


that was using those filters!  well the flying lead versions anyway.

and the same with no phones plugged in, just the extensions 'being there'!  right pain.
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 12:22:04
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Ive just picked up an new set of dect phones for the father in law...

whenever his broadband router is turned on, there is a lot of 'modem' noise on the line IF and internal extensions are connected.
(tried all combinations of removing things and 3 different routers)

So unplugging the lot and having everything in the main socket.
Jobs a good un


Thats shite quality ADSL microfilters....

I still rate these:

http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php


that was using those filters!  well the flying lead versions anyway.

and the same with no phones plugged in, just the extensions 'being there'!  right pain.

Well, they are pretty much the best you can get!

Do you still get the noise with no ADLS filter and just phone being used?
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 12:28:44
the noise is there the second the router is switched on.

tried a variety of free and my good filters (left over from when I installed a faceplate splitter / filter.

just phones connected, silence...

router plugged into any socket, noise

phones plugged in, or not, but extensions connected, noise.

router and phone plugged into test socket, silence.

played for hours, gave up, and he has 4 shiny new phones.

may put him on a split faceplate as well now, but doesnt really matter.

ring wire already disconnected anyway (as per iplate)
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 13:28:18
I'm with MDTM, does sound like filtering.

Unless the router was radiating something that the cordeless phones were picking up via aerial?
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 13:32:07
So are you saying that when the whole setup is plugged directly into the rear plate ...its all ok?

In which case....it sounds like the  front face of the NTE5(x) is at fault
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:00:08
tried 3 different routers, all the same, not all wireless enabled, and different filters, so happy all those ruled out.

Fault has to be either faceplate, or dodgy wiring (most likely from what I have heard  ::)
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 14:04:04
So, if you plug the microfilter directly into the master socket and have just the router and the phone connected, does it occur?
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:05:33
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So, if you plug the microfilter directly into the master socket and have just the router and the phone connected, does it occur?


master socket yes, as extensions connected (with no phones in, same if phones connected)

test socket, perfect (extensions obviously now removed)
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 14:07:31
JB, how many extensions in the house, excluding master NTE5?

Can you tell if they are star wired, or spurred off each other?
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 14:09:08
So.....disconnect the extensions and then plug into the front face and repeat....ok?

Hes no got some secret phone somewhere plugged in without a filter has he?

Or an alarm system, sky box etc....
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:12:05
Yes, thats the next, no more phones, sky disconnected.
nothing else using the line,

all the extensions will be permanently disconnected this week, and 2 dect, 2 wired phones all being replaced with a quad pack.

if theres still a problem (guessing there wont be)  then a new splitting / filtering faceplate will go on.
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 14:16:22
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Yes, thats the next, no more phones, sky disconnected.
nothing else using the line,

all the extensions will be permanently disconnected this week, and 2 dect, 2 wired phones all being replaced with a quad pack.

if theres still a problem (guessing there wont be)  then a new splitting / filtering faceplate will go on.


hes not got some old extension bell wired in....there must be something else on the line somewhere.....again, one of the filtered faceplates would be the better solution.
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:19:25
the wiring is dodgy, and not really accessible, so removing it from the equation.  been fine for voice, but any adsl on the line and it is unusable.


Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 14:30:16
Yeh, the extension wiring should make no difference, something is allowing the broadband to interfere with the voice.....and the only real thing that can do that is another un-filtered device on the setup....I wonder if the neighbour is making use of his line....(seen that once before)

Or a dodgy filter...
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:39:14
aye tis a weird one.

Spent hours playing with different permutations of phones / routers / filters.

Hence the remove the problem out the equation, be interesting to see if the new phones do it once extensions removed.
Has been tried with 2 faceplates now I think about it.....had a brass one originally, which he replaced with the plastic which he replaced a few years ago, due to noise on the line....he has had no end of grief with noise in the past, something not right somewhere, but all currently fine with the extra wiring out the equation.
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 14:40:09
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Yeh, the extension wiring should make no difference, something is allowing the broadband to interfere with the voice.....and the only real thing that can do that is another un-filtered device on the setup....I wonder if the neighbour is making use of his line....(seen that once before)

Or a dodgy filter...
A fault with the wiring can ime.  Particularly damp sockets, which tend to act a little like a diode between either A and B, or between B and ringer.  Damaged cable - white cable on outside wall, or plastered over cable - can also affect it, but that tends to give noisy voice as well, as invariably the actual conducters are damaged and corroded.


JB - when they pick up the phone, does the broadband cut off?  If so, that could well be a BT problem caused by an HR on the before the NTE5 (but normally close to NTE).
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:42:14
nope, using voice does not affect BB

(I used to have a great problem...If I used a modem on an adsl enabled and connected line - to dial into work, used to kill the broadband connection.  Hence buying those best quality filters, cured it instantly)
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 14:44:07
JB - I'm guessing your Father-in-law isn't near me, as if he is, I could pop around and take a looksie at it?
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: TheBoy on 01 March 2010, 14:44:36
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JB - I'm guessing your Father-in-law isn't near me, as if he is, I could pop around and take a looksie at it?
LOL, if I had a car ;D ;D   :-[
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:45:16
nope, just up the road from me
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 March 2010, 14:49:26
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nope, just up the road from me

Ow well, there's your answer, hes in Wales, its water ingress, hes got a leek somewhere....
Title: Re: Any BT socket experts
Post by: Jimbob on 01 March 2010, 14:50:01
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nope, just up the road from me

Ow well, there's your answer, hes in Wales, its water ingress, hes got a leek somewhere....


 ;D ;D ;D ;D