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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Turk on 02 March 2010, 22:32:46
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Why let the evil little shits out in the first place ? >:(
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=152390608
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To be honest I think it was inevitable!!!!
Will be there for a minimum of two years now.
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I have to agree that people like those two lads should have been remove from Earth, like others we could draw a list up for.
No good to man nor beast, why put other human beings at risk?
Can't believe it is that long ago either :o
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It's a real can of worms.....
I personally think that people who have committed a crime like this and they are 100% guilty without any doubt whatsoever should be put to sleep one way or another....
Half the problem today is that there is no ultimate threat of punishment.
Life in prison? !0 years maybe 15 years then free!
What life for the victims??????
The "do-gooders" will say these people are mis-guided and mis-understood and need help.
I know how I would help them.... :(
Ok rant over! Sorry but this really annoys me
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It's a real can of worms.....
I personally think that people who have committed a crime like this and they are 100% guilty without any doubt whatsoever should be put to sleep one way or another....
Half the problem today is that there is no ultimate threat of punishment.
Life in prison? !0 years maybe 15 years then free!
What life for the victims??????
The "do-gooders" will say these people are mis-guided and mis-understood and need help.
I know how I would help them.... :(
Ok rant over! Sorry but this really annoys me
Can we ever be 100% sure without any doubt whatsoever? :-/
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A short drop & a sudden stop :y :y :y :y
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It's a real can of worms.....
I personally think that people who have committed a crime like this and they are 100% guilty without any doubt whatsoever should be put to sleep one way or another....
Half the problem today is that there is no ultimate threat of punishment.
Life in prison? !0 years maybe 15 years then free!
What life for the victims??????
The "do-gooders" will say these people are mis-guided and mis-understood and need help.
I know how I would help them.... :(
Ok rant over! Sorry but this really annoys me
Can we ever be 100% sure without any doubt whatsoever? :-/
In the present age we are pretty incapable of being sure. I think that the legal profession are responsible for changing pursuit of the truth into a game.
As for young offenders, I think that they are more able to change their ways than older people and there should be a chance for them to prove that they can go straight.
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I am afraid that he has had his chance. Given the circumstances he clearly has breached his release terms 100% certain. They wouldn't have taken him back into custody otherwise as too much at stake. e.g. yet more new Id's , cost, admin etc.
In days gone by people like this were exiled to another country (e.g. Australia). That option isn't available so I would propose they are sent, on second strike, to a super prison where they benefit mankind without being any danger.
When will society learn.
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All we need now is for the other little scumbag to get put away as well. These 2 should never have been let out in the first place. Its like saying oh its ok youve murdered and tortured a baby, but eight years is enough time. God drives me mad.
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Its an absolute travesty. All we hear is these offenders human rights are being breached etc etc.
Well break their human rights, they said goodbye to them as soon as they commit their disgusting crimes.
If, god forbid, something happened to one of my kids and the offender was released I would hire private detectives, bung cops or whatever I could to find their whereabouts and I would make them pay, I mean REALLY make them pay. I wouldn't care about doing the time, you hurt one of my babies and I swear I will find you and I will hurt you badly, then i'll kill you!!!!!!
A touch strong for some people maybe, but my kids are absolutely everything to me, my reason for living and I really hope this little sh1t is found out in prison and tore a new asshole, daily!!!!!
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Its an absolute travesty. All we hear is these offenders human rights are being breached etc etc.
Well break their human rights, they said goodbye to them as soon as they commit their disgusting crimes.
If, god forbid, something happened to one of my kids and the offender was released I would hire private detectives, bung cops or whatever I could to find their whereabouts and I would make them pay, I mean REALLY make them pay. I wouldn't care about doing the time, you hurt one of my babies and I swear I will find you and I will hurt you badly, then i'll kill you!!!!!!
A touch strong for some people maybe, but my kids are absolutely everything to me, my reason for living and I really hope this little sh1t is found out in prison and tore a new asshole, daily!!!!!
Sqealey, I sympathise with what you say about getting back at the killers if it ever happened to you (as you say, God forbid). I have two young kids and I'd feel the same way in the same circumstances, but doing time for it would mean that you deprive your family of a husband, father, son, etc, which in the long term would make things a whole lot worse.
What's the answer? I don't have it, but the only person it would benefit is yourself.
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Its an absolute travesty. All we hear is these offenders human rights are being breached etc etc.
Well break their human rights, they said goodbye to them as soon as they commit their disgusting crimes.
If, god forbid, something happened to one of my kids and the offender was released I would hire private detectives, bung cops or whatever I could to find their whereabouts and I would make them pay, I mean REALLY make them pay. I wouldn't care about doing the time, you hurt one of my babies and I swear I will find you and I will hurt you badly, then i'll kill you!!!!!!
A touch strong for some people maybe, but my kids are absolutely everything to me, my reason for living and I really hope this little sh1t is found out in prison and tore a new asshole, daily!!!!!
Well, at the very least that's why we have to cough up for all the anonymity, protection etc.
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a very emotive subject this. Apparantly the exact details of his breach of conditions is not (yet) being released, but this is maybe besides the point. When the details of their heinous crimes were first known I said to my other half that they actually looked "evil" and that I would simply kill them as to me there seemed no chance of redeeming themselves and the nature of the crime itself was so bad. Yes, I know all about how human beings can be conditioned into accepting and perpertrating all sorts of cruelties (you only have to read about any warcrimes here)but ,if it were your child as victim, what would your gut reaction be?And ,further, why would that be wrong exactly?Because it wouldnt be "civilized"?Because it would be a purely "emotive" response? Because it wouldnt be "lawful"?Perhaps because it still wouldnt "solve" anything or that it would be wrong to "take a life" regardless of the crime. To me, my gut reaction would still be right. I dont think I would lose any sleep over it. But what about the unthinkable?If it was a child of yours that had done the crime (coerced or whatever), would you still feel the same then, or would you like a chance of redemption for them. Does the inate gut feeling that makes us want to lash out and kill anyone who would torture and kill one of our own equally want to try and save our own offspring if they were guilty of it? Maybe we would like to say that no, they deserve to die too, but ,come to the crunch, would we search desperatly for evidence of conditioning/coercian, any mitigating circumstances? I personally believe that some people are weaker than others and that they can be forced into things under duress, I believe others lack a "moral compass" and can be swayed either way ....and I believe that some are mostly just evil so that their behaviour cannot be justified by conditioning or duress. These last can surely have no redemption.
sorry to rabbit on but it is a very emotive subject and for that reason alone I think we should try and look a bit closer at our feelings and our rationale behind it. :-/
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they are 100% guilty without any doubt whatsoever
Read Paul Brittons "Jigsaw Man"
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If my dog killled someone it would be put down why should them idiots be any different. I bet he wont be sent to HMP Liverpool though for that very reason someone will kill him. Scum like that wouldn't be missed though.
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Yes, some cried out at the time, "they're only children". Sorry if at 10 years old you can't see that torturing & killing a 2 year old is wrong, then you should be incarcerated for the rest of your natural....nobody regardless of age guilty of such abhorrent crimes should EVER be released, death is too easy, they should live inside miserably for ever & i'd pay more tax to finance their miserable life of depression & suffering.
Another point is:- The public & prison population don't know John Venable's new id...yet but they'll all be looking for him & things could get out of control. Every Scouse lad of a similar age who'se been locked up this week for a lesser offence must be bricking it should he mis identified. Yes i know certain prisoners are segregated, sectioned etc but "mistakes are made", cell doors are accidently left open, recess/association times can be mis judged. I saw this happen in the early 80's when i was away for car theft & it still happens now, Huntley, Whiting etc.
They're not even safe inside which is why they should stay there.
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This is a subject I never thought would rear it's head again. I remember the shockwave that swept my city when this horrific crime occured and to be honest the shock reappears every time I drive past the shopping center he was taken from, likewise the railtrack where he met his sad end.
A friend who is a copper and was at the crime scene still suffers with the images in his sleep and says he honestly was never the same person after it.
Hundreds of thousands of pounds have been lavished on these two in terms of education, identities for them and I believe rehousing their families along with them.
Whatever breech he has commited (and I really hope he hasn't had the nerve to step foot in this city). he deserves to face up to what was an adult crime in an adult prison environment.
Feelings still run very high and as at the time I expect some of the city "fathers"have placed a bounty for suitable retribution on their scalps.
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It's a real can of worms.....
I personally think that people who have committed a crime like this and they are 100% guilty without any doubt whatsoever should be put to sleep one way or another....
Half the problem today is that there is no ultimate threat of punishment.
Life in prison? !0 years maybe 15 years then free!
What life for the victims??????
The "do-gooders" will say these people are mis-guided and mis-understood and need help.
I know how I would help them.... :(
Ok rant over! Sorry but this really annoys me
said as much in my post about the yorkshire ripper the other day. scum >:(