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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Del Boy on 23 March 2010, 16:55:11
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My son today, going back into school trying not to get caught, (he was down the shop during lunch time), ran across the road without looking hit by a British transport police focus, couldn't believe it totally shocked. Anyway hit around 30mph he is saying and his mates are saying, large bump on his head, scrape on his back smashed his phone, painful leg and a bad thumb. I couldn't believe it when he rang the mrs rang and said. Thankfully he is ok and hear to tell the tale but bloody frightening, god really panicy moments :(
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Glad he's OK Del. Teach him a valuable lesson maybe.
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Very sorry to hear that Del! :'(
Thank God the car was only doing 30 mph, and he is walking wounded, not worse :o :o
Our kids certainly can cause us grief - mine did enough times - and it don't stop as they get older!! ::) ::)
Give my regards to Sue :-* :-*
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Very sorry to hear that Del! :'(
Thank God the car was only doing 30 mph, and he is walking wounded, not worse :o :o
Our kids certainly can cause us grief - mine did enough times - and it don't stop as they get older!! ::) ::)
Give my regards to Sue :-* :-*
Will do Lizzie means a lot :y
Steve, yes it will, see now he is usually always very careful at roads, the one day he rushes to get into school it happens :(
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Thank Goodness he got away with it Del. I would imagine both you & the mrs are more shaken than your boy? :o :o :y
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Thank Goodness he got away with it Del. I would imagine both you & the mrs are more shaken than your boy? :o :o :y
Just a tad mate don't bear thinking about, couldn't been a lorry or anything.
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bloody hell del boy that could of been so much worse..in a nice way im glad hes just got some aches and pains
all the best to him in a speedy recovery and a lesson learned the lucky and painfull way :y
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A VERY lucky lad ..... just hope your frazzled nerves have now recovered .. I would hate to recieve that sort of phonecall .. :(
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jesus,lucky boy,coulda been so much worse.
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I'm glad , he survived a deadly lesson.. could be much worse..he will never forget..
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Thanks for the kind words, he's fine got a bump on his head but hospital said it's nothing to worry about, he was most worried about his phone. He kept saying sorry to the bloke, I had to say to him don't keep saying it's your fault, even though it was, the bloke looked terrible, I have rang him since to say that he's ok.
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Nasty shock for you all. I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery. :y
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Nasty shock for you all. I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery. :y
Cheers mate :y
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Thanks for the kind words, he's fine got a bump on his head but hospital said it's nothing to worry about, he was most worried about his phone. He kept saying sorry to the bloke, I had to say to him don't keep saying it's your fault, even though it was, the bloke looked terrible, I have rang him since to say that he's ok.
That's nothing, compared to the impending boot print on his arse :exclamation
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Thanks for the kind words, he's fine got a bump on his head but hospital said it's nothing to worry about, he was most worried about his phone. He kept saying sorry to the bloke, I had to say to him don't keep saying it's your fault, even though it was, the bloke looked terrible, I have rang him since to say that he's ok.
That's nothing, compared to the impending boot print on his arse :exclamation
;D ;D ;D
Glad to hear it ended OK Del :y :y
Hope he has a speedy recovery
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Thanks people, he woke up this morning feeling a little bit dizzy and a bit sick, but I suppose thats to be suspected with the bang on the head. He's ok though he's eating and drinking fine. More and more is coming to light now though, been to where it happened (makes you feel sick to be honest just thinking about it), but there is a skid mark which is about 10 inches if that, there were no cars in front of the bloke who was driving and I drove up and down there a good few times and I can't see how he cannot have seen him. My son and his 4 other mates who were there were saying there was a woman in a Ford KA who had already stopped on the other side of the road. I really can't see how he can't have seen him and the tiny skid mark on the road would indicate he didn't see him until very late or thats actually my son said where he got hit. Ok so he shouldn't have ran out in the road, but no cars in front of the driver, all round good driving conditions and absolutely no way he wouldn't have seen my son a lot further up the road.
Thing is what do I do now, see the bloke went in to total shock. Ok people have different ways of dealing with things but he was very pale and very quiet which got a few alarm bells ringing.
I'm also complaining to the school, ok my sons fault yes, one teacher said to all his mates yesterday all four of them have said this too so it's not just one of them, "Oh you musn't feel sorry for him he shouldn't have been off school site" Ok he shouldn't but it was luch time the only reason he ran across the road was to not get caught and he is in year 11. I gave the headteacher a rollocking yesterday too my son literally about 10 minutes after being hit said to him "Wern't you in assemblys? You shouldn't have been off school site, try listening to me" Had to put the bloke in his place and say to him in not as kind words as this, he's just been run over doesn't need a lecture right now, I didn't sugar coat it like that but that was the jist.
What do you think I should do regarding the driver? Got a few ideas but what do you think?
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TBH Del... The police will, I assume, do the same investigations you have and probably come to the same conclusions. See what they do.
Wouldn't hurt to give the bloke a ring again, let him know the lad is OK, and ask if he can remember any more now the shock has worn off :-/
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TBH Del... The police will, I assume, do the same investigations you have and probably come to the same conclusions. See what they do.
Wouldn't hurt to give the bloke a ring again, let him know the lad is OK, and ask if he can remember any more now the shock has worn off :-/
Tried to ring him last night, couldn't get hold of him but left him a message. My son is begining to remember more and more now though, he would've been able to see my boy on the path and on the other side of the road for easily well over 50 ft, I really do think he hasn't seen my son. I seriously think he could've been talking to the bloke in his passenger seat and not paying attention, it's easily over 50ft from where he could've seen him so he should've already been on the brake, so he has travelled over 50ft, then there is roughly a 10 inch skid mark where he has hit the brakes and my son says thats where he was hit. As he is part of the BTP he can't discuss anything to do with the case which is convinient obviously he can't discuss but god it is racking my brains as he can't not have seen him.
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One for the police people on here, how long does it have to be after a police RTA before they can interview you? See in the hospital they called us in for an interview before we had seen a doctor, obviously my son still in shock kept saying it was his fault. Now he's had time to think more is coming to light. But they called us and didn't even tell a doctor who actually called us whilst we were in the interview, we didn't find out until they called us again, she then said they shouldn't have done it. Anyone know about that?
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I don't know why you'd pursue this tbh, your kid was doing something he shouldn't and was more concerned with being caught than any traffic and hence ran out in front of moving car, got hit and got off incredibly lightly.
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I don't know why you'd pursue this tbh, your kid was doing something he shouldn't and was more concerned with being caught than any traffic and hence ran out in front of moving car, got hit and got off incredibly lightly.
I agree. You could just as easily have been the driver.
A good lesson in road safety-your lad will think twice next time.
Be grateful it is not worse and let it go :y
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I don't know why you'd pursue this tbh, your kid was doing something he shouldn't and was more concerned with being caught than any traffic and hence ran out in front of moving car, got hit and got off incredibly lightly.
I totally agree he was in the wrong yes, as does he, first thing he did was get up and started apoligising but, if the driver wasn't paying attention which it would seem he wasn't, why should he get away with it? He should be in control of that vehicle and with good all round visibility he should've seen a group of 5 kids and already been braking as the woman in the Ford KA did.
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I don't know why you'd pursue this tbh, your kid was doing something he shouldn't and was more concerned with being caught than any traffic and hence ran out in front of moving car, got hit and got off incredibly lightly.
I totally agree he was in the wrong yes, as does he, first thing he did was get up and started apoligising but, if the driver wasn't paying attention which it would seem he wasn't, why should he get away with it? He should be in control of that vehicle and with good all round visibility he should've seen a group of 5 kids and already been braking as the woman in the Ford KA did.
This is one of those discussions which can be looked at from both sides... The plus side of him being BTP is that they will carry out a thorough investigation.
As I said above Del... Let the investigation take it's course. As your lad is remembering more and more, perhaps a call to the investigating officer would be in order asking if he can come around again?
Lessons will most definitely have been learnt by both parties ;)
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I don't know why you'd pursue this tbh, your kid was doing something he shouldn't and was more concerned with being caught than any traffic and hence ran out in front of moving car, got hit and got off incredibly lightly.
I totally agree he was in the wrong yes, as does he, first thing he did was get up and started apoligising but, if the driver wasn't paying attention which it would seem he wasn't, why should he get away with it? He should be in control of that vehicle and with good all round visibility he should've seen a group of 5 kids and already been braking as the woman in the Ford KA did.
This is one of those discussions which can be looked at from both sides... The plus side of him being BTP is that they will carry out a thorough investigation.
As I said above Del... Let the investigation take it's course. As your lad is remembering more and more, perhaps a call to the investigating officer would be in order asking if he can come around again?
Lessons will most definitely have been learnt by both parties ;)
Waiting on the call from them, the officer who hit him just rang, seems a very nice chap and I totally appreciate that he has taken the time out of his day to find out how he is. Will have to see what they say, will let them know. Thankfully he is ok which is the most important thing.
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whatever happens - i'm glad your kid's OK - that's the main thing :y
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whatever happens - i'm glad your kid's OK - that's the main thing :y
Sure is mate, thanks :y :y
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One for the police people on here, how long does it have to be after a police RTA before they can interview you? See in the hospital they called us in for an interview before we had seen a doctor, obviously my son still in shock kept saying it was his fault. Now he's had time to think more is coming to light. But they called us and didn't even tell a doctor who actually called us whilst we were in the interview, we didn't find out until they called us again, she then said they shouldn't have done it. Anyone know about that?
When a police car is involved in an accident it is mandatory, at least in Kent, for a full investigation into the RTC to take place on site involving a senior officer before any vehicle involved is moved.
All drivers, including the police driver, involved MUST be breathalysed on site. Statements are taken from each driver, passengers, and any witnesses. With someone taken to hospital injured they will be interviewed as soon as the doctors allow.
Any accident involving either directly or indirectly a police vehicle is treated extremely seriously and therefore, after an investigation, accompanied by a full report which may involved the IPCC.
;) ;) ;)
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
Well that is most odd!! :o :o
With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident. This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries. Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived? Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?
There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
Well that is most odd!! :o :o
With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident. This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries. Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived? Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?
There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
Well that is most odd!! :o :o
With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident. This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries. Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived? Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?
There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.
It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.
It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.
I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it.
Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school. He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.
However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion. A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call. To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school.
It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
Well that is most odd!! :o :o
With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident. This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries. Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived? Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?
There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.
It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.
It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.
I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it.
Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school. He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.
However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion. A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call. To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school.
It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)
Nope LZ he stayed at the scene of the accident until Sue arrived. So I can't see how he didn't get treatment. It happened right outside the school
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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.
Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school :o
Well that is most odd!! :o :o
With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident. This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries. Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived? Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?
There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.
It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.
It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.
I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it.
Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school. He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.
However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion. A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call. To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school.
It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)
Nope LZ he stayed at the scene of the accident until Sue arrived. So I can't see how he didn't get treatment. It happened right outside the school
In that case Del another question needs asking; why didn't the police call an ambulance?? It is standard procedure for one to be called when someone, especially a minor, and involving a police vehicle, has been hurt in an accident, so at least paramedics can check the IP (injured party) out. ::) ::) ::) The health of an IP and the need or not for hospital treatment is not a decision a police officer can safely make :( :(
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Got a case here haven't we.
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Got a case here haven't we.
I do not know that as all the facts are not known, but knowing what you do I would certainly find out more from Kent Police asking the questions I have previously suggested.
It would also be interesting to know if the Traffic Division was involved in the investigation, or simply the local officers.
As already stated though you have to accept your sons responsibility in this affair, but at the same time approach the police on the basis of ascertaining the truth, not to start casting blame. ;) ;)
;) ;)
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Cheers for the help LZ, you're very knowledgeable :y
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Sorry to hear that your son was injured, but there are a few points in this thread I do not understand
there is a skid mark which is about 10 inches if that, there were no cars in front of the bloke who was driving and I drove up and down there a good few times and I can't see how he cannot have seen him....
...What do you think I should do regarding the driver? Got a few ideas but what do you think?
The driver may well have seen him from some distance, but was your son actually in the road when the he first came into view of the driver?
At that time, was there any reason for him (the driver) to expect your son to attempt to run into the road without looking?
A skid mark of less than 10 inches suggests to me that a) he was driving well within the speed limit and b) that your son's action of running into the road was a sudden last-minute action which, given that he is in Year 11 (rather than Year 1) could not have been reasonably foreseen.
As I have children of my own (albeit much younger), I can empathise with your shock and concern for your son's injuries and I wish him a speedy recovery.
However, i cannot understand - on the basis of the facts you have posted - how any blame can be apportioned to the driver. I am sure he has suffered shock and distress as well. Do you really think that his driving was so bad he needs to be punished or to pay compensation?
Personally, I do not.
I reiterate that my views are solely based on the account of the incident as posted.
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Sorry to hear that your son was injured, but there are a few points in this thread I do not understand
there is a skid mark which is about 10 inches if that, there were no cars in front of the bloke who was driving and I drove up and down there a good few times and I can't see how he cannot have seen him....
...What do you think I should do regarding the driver? Got a few ideas but what do you think?
The driver may well have seen him from some distance, but was your son actually in the road when the he first came into view of the driver?
At that time, was there any reason for him (the driver) to expect your son to attempt to run into the road without looking?
A skid mark of less than 10 inches suggests to me that a) he was driving well within the speed limit and b) that your son's action of running into the road was a sudden last-minute action which, given that he is in Year 11 (rather than Year 1) could not have been reasonably foreseen.
As I have children of my own (albeit much younger), I can empathise with your shock and concern for your son's injuries and I wish him a speedy recovery.
However, i cannot understand - on the basis of the facts you have posted - how any blame can be apportioned to the driver. I am sure he has suffered shock and distress as well. Do you really think that his driving was so bad he needs to be punished or to pay compensation?
Personally, I do not.
I reiterate that my views are solely based on the account of the incident as posted.
My son was already in one lane of the road, so he must've been in the drivers view, the only thing I can think of is the driver thought he wasn't going to come out in the road but he did :( I don't want the driver to pay anything but on the same hand I cannot see how he didn't see him to start off with. I've driven down there 3 times agin tonight and I really just can't see how he wouldnt've seen him.
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My son was already in one lane of the road, so he must've been in the drivers view, the only thing I can think of is the driver thought he wasn't going to come out in the road but he did :( I don't want the driver to pay anything but on the same hand I cannot see how he didn't see him to start off with. I've driven down there 3 times agin tonight and I really just can't see how he wouldnt've seen him.
OK. My advice, which you can take or leave, is to concentrate on getting your son back to full health and doing your best not to think about the circumstances. If you've driven down the road three times tonight thinking about it, then I would courteously suggest that you are still in shock and unlikely therefore to think rationally about the incident.
Take a time out. Watch telly, or do whatever you can to relax. It has clearly affected you badly and you need to rest, IMHO.
You cannot undo what has been done, no matter how hard you think about it. :y