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Title: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 29 March 2010, 18:06:57
My son turned 16 in September 2009 but is still at school.
Now he has had a moped since October 2009 and is riding it to and from school. He does not park it on school premises and puts his hemet etc in his locker.
There are only 2 kids in the entire school that ride mopeds. (In my day it was more like 25)

Now the school decide this is not acceptable and say no motorcycle equipment is to be brought into school.

Now I have just replied to there email saying I don't this is fair and have asked for clarification of the rules on it.

Do we have any teachers or school type people that could advise where we stand on this.

Thanks
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2010, 18:10:05
If he can legally ride the bike, and legally parks it away from School property... then it is absolutely none of their concern if he rides it to School.

When I was 16, school found me a place to park my 'ped!

In terms of the helmet, most mopeds have a storage area under the seat?

Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Andy B on 29 March 2010, 18:13:16
I really can't see how a school can enforce it. If he is fully legal, what's their problem?  :-?
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 29 March 2010, 18:13:41
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If he can legally ride the bike, and legally parks it away from School property... then it is absolutely none of their concern if he rides it to School.

When I was 16, school found me a place to park my 'ped!

In terms of the helmet, most mopeds have a storage area under the seat?


Thanks James
When I say moped, it is 50cc but is a super moto looking type bike so no under seat storage.
Also I try to make him ride responsibly, so that means gloves, boot etc. But they do all fit nicely in the locker with his books etc.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: TheBoy on 29 March 2010, 18:16:12
They are clearly not banning him from riding to school (they can't), but are trying to stop it by not allowing helmets in school.


My retarded, backward, stupid secondary school in Aylesbury tried punishing me for removing my tie and blazer on the way home once I'd left the gates.  Obviously the idiots failed miserably.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 29 March 2010, 18:16:39
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I really can't see how a school can enforce it. If he is fully legal, what's their problem?  :-?


Def fully legal, I make sure he has MOT tax insurance, I can't vouch for his riding when I am not there, but we where all young once  :y

But the odd times I have seen when he is not expecting me to be there he seems pretty sensible.  :)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: TheBoy on 29 March 2010, 18:17:59
go visit the head for an explanation - make the head answer for his/her rules...
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 29 March 2010, 18:18:53
Sounds like an image thing to me, ask them for a copy of the school rule book.

Also wonder if any teachers ride motorcycles to the school and if so is it a rule for them and a rule for the kids.

Title: Re: School rules
Post by: bri cox on 29 March 2010, 18:27:15
they are having a laugh my school used to teach you how to ride a moped on the school and do a mock cbt test  so you got a little more experiance only when you was in year eleven and with parents consent head teacher provided a moped parking area for pupils
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Andy B on 29 March 2010, 18:36:38
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 only when you was in year eleven and  ....

My school only went up to 5th year  ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 18:54:34
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My son turned 16 in September 2009 but is still at school.
Now he has had a moped since October 2009 and is riding it to and from school. He does not park it on school premises and puts his hemet etc in his locker.
There are only 2 kids in the entire school that ride mopeds. (In my day it was more like 25)

Now the school decide this is not acceptable and say no motorcycle equipment is to be brought into school.

Now I have just replied to there email saying I don't this is fair and have asked for clarification of the rules on it.

Do we have any teachers or school type people that could advise where we stand on this.

Thanks

You don't say why they deem it unacceptable. Let's see what the email says.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 29 March 2010, 19:20:19
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My son turned 16 in September 2009 but is still at school.
Now he has had a moped since October 2009 and is riding it to and from school. He does not park it on school premises and puts his hemet etc in his locker.
There are only 2 kids in the entire school that ride mopeds. (In my day it was more like 25)

Now the school decide this is not acceptable and say no motorcycle equipment is to be brought into school.

Now I have just replied to there email saying I don't this is fair and have asked for clarification of the rules on it.

Do we have any teachers or school type people that could advise where we stand on this.

Thanks

You don't say why they deem it unacceptable. Let's see what the email says.

I don't think they no either:

(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mantahatch/helmet-1.jpg)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: tunnie on 29 March 2010, 19:24:12
interesting, as mentioned above ask to speak to the head and ask them to explain themselves.

He is taking quite green form of transport, not having parents drive him in big car. Ask what exactly is the reason behind no helmets in school!?

I do assume some people cycle in and use helmets?
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 19:25:07
That's a bit curt isn't it? I would have expected some kind of explanation as to why. Perhaps they have already told your son the reason. Nevertheless, I would be ringing and asking to speak to Mr Cleaver about it. I wouldn't get too wound up until you've had a conversation, it MAY be perfectly obvious after.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Nickbat on 29 March 2010, 19:37:28
At my school, we have a sixth-form agreement that cars and motorcycles are not be parked or ridden in the streets immediately adjacent to the school. This is principally due to the high number of accidents involving students over the years (one rolled in a garden, one crashed into a tree  and one head-on). Some schools (and, I presume, colleges) have home/school agreements which are a condition of enrolment.

Furthermore, some schools insist that school uniform must be worn (Yrs 7-11) when travelling to and from school. This enables behaviour to be monitored. It may be that arriving in a motorcycle outfit contravenes that rule.   
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: jereboam on 29 March 2010, 19:39:19
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My son turned 16 in September 2009 but is still at school.
Now he has had a moped since October 2009 and is riding it to and from school. He does not park it on school premises and puts his hemet etc in his locker.
There are only 2 kids in the entire school that ride mopeds. (In my day it was more like 25)

Now the school decide this is not acceptable and say no motorcycle equipment is to be brought into school.

Now I have just replied to there email saying I don't this is fair and have asked for clarification of the rules on it.

Do we have any teachers or school type people that could advise where we stand on this.

Thanks

You don't say why they deem it unacceptable. Let's see what the email says.

I don't think they no either:

(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mantahatch/helmet-1.jpg)

What atrocious grammar from a teacher! 

Why "Motor cycle" - don't need the capital letter for motor, but if you are going to pretend you are German, it should be a capital C for cycle.

And it should be

   - "the college site?"
   - "I spoke to him last week"
   - "have again informed me" - should skip the "again" anyway - it's not needed

And I've not got any suggestions about the last few words - they aren't English.

You could, perhaps, suggest that the teacher should set an example and follow the rules of English grammar.

I wouldn't dare, but you are probably braver than I (me?). :) :) :)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Amigo on 29 March 2010, 19:42:34
I left school in 2009...ok 1979. Steyning grammar in W. Sx. A few of the lads rode thier 49cc's in (unrestricted back then) & there was never a problem. I was allowed a bike (Fizzie) by my parents but they would'nt pay for it, so i bought it with money i saved from my paper/milk rounds/ caddying & then my parents paid the tax & ins. & bought it just after leaving school, so not an issue for me but i think the school are being a tad unreasonable. They can ban him from storing his bike, lid & gloves etc. on the premises but have no right to stop him riding to & fro.
   Maybe they are trying to discourage bikes on safety grounds or something? ::)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 29 March 2010, 20:25:28
Sorry I am being a bit unfair to Mr Cleaver. He is a PE teacher so his grammer is probably not going to be as good as the English teacher.

I beleive at this moment in time the problem lies with the head. He is new and comes from what he believes was the best school in Chandlers Ford (area that thinks it posh and snobby) This school he came from had a rather damming ofsted report if you believe in such reports.

Mr Cleaver has given my son much support through the years and I believe him to be a good teacher.

The term pastoral leader sounded a bit religous to me, it is not a religious school, well no more than any other old comprehensive, which is what is was when my wife and I attended it. Also my wife's father attended this school.

That is why my reply to Mr Cleaver is polite but asking for confirmation of why he can't take his bike gear into school.

My next reply will be to the head, and that may not be so polite and followed by a visit to the school.

Oh yes I should add my kids only travelled by car to school age 5-7 and in bad weather. The rest of there school time they have walked or ridden there push bikes.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Pitchfork on 29 March 2010, 20:26:55
I rode & parked a 500cc Velocette Venom to school back in the mid 60s. Parking in the bike shed was allowed but I had to push it to & from the school gates
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Welung666 on 29 March 2010, 20:29:03
If you have no joy with the email to the head then a hand delivered letter addressed to The Chair of the Governers marked 'private and confidential' outlining all the details and demand a resolution, but demand it in a polite way. You'll cause the Head some grief that way to :y
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 20:31:54
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If you have no joy with the email to the head then a hand delivered letter addressed to The Chair of the Governers marked 'private and confidential' outlining all the details and demand a resolution, but demand it in a polite way. You'll cause the Head some grief that way to :y


Usually just asking for a copy of the complaints procedure does the job.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 29 March 2010, 20:33:03
Assuming it turns out to be some blinkered anti- biking/school image crap, contact MCN newsdesk, they will imo eat them alive on your behalf. ;) :)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Nickbat on 29 March 2010, 20:33:33
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The term pastoral leader sounded a bit religous to me...

All schools use the term "pastoral" (care) which means looking after the social, moral, behavioural aspects of student care (i.e. non-curricular). :y
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 20:34:25
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The term pastoral leader sounded a bit religous to me...

All schools use the term "pastoral" (care) which means looking after the social, moral, behavioural aspects of student care (i.e. non-curricular). :y

Usually not very well ;D
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Nickbat on 29 March 2010, 20:37:53
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Assuming it turns out to be some blinkered anti- biking/school image crap, contact MCN newsdesk, they will imo eat them alive on your behalf. ;) :)

Albs, as I pointed out, it may well have something to do with school uniform and may also be part of a home/school agreement. I suspect it has nothing to do with any anti-motorcycle agenda.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 29 March 2010, 20:48:52
We shall see Nick. There is still a lot of anti biking prejudice around. Common sense tells me they should be applauding the lad for wearing all the correct safety equipment. ;)
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 20:53:08
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We shall see Nick. There is still a lot of anti biking prejudice around. Common sense tells me they should be applauding the lad for wearing all the correct safety equipment. ;)


I can't see anything wrong with a young lad riding a bike. It's the stupid old fools reliving their youth that cause all the trouble.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 29 March 2010, 20:54:26
you talking to me?> :-/ >:( ;D
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 20:55:56
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you talking to me?> :-/ >:( ;D


Amongst others grandad. :y ;D


You made me miss the chancellors now >:(
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 29 March 2010, 21:01:54
All way over your head anyway, three sylabble words and allsorts in there. You would be wasting your time. :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 21:03:48
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All way over your head anyway, three sylabble words and allsorts in there. You would be wasting your time. :D ;D ;D


Least I can spell syllable ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 29 March 2010, 21:10:22
No-one likes a smartarse - or a pedant. :P ;D




Or someone who spellchecks everyone elses posts as well as their own. ;) :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: STMO999 on 29 March 2010, 21:11:48
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No-one likes a smartarse - or a pedant. :P ;D




Or someone who spellchecks everyone elses posts as well as their own. ;) :P ;D ;D


I do.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Vamps on 29 March 2010, 21:39:15
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We shall see Nick. There is still a lot of anti biking prejudice around. Common sense tells me they should be applauding the lad for wearing all the correct safety equipment. ;)
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I would argue that the school should be providing appropriate storage room for such equipment.
As said, see what the Head has to say, via the governors, and I like the MCN idea...... :y
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Martin_1962 on 29 March 2010, 23:17:44
I used to ride to school as well
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Gaffers on 30 March 2010, 08:08:25
If it is mentionned in the school rules that biking equipment cannot be brought into school then I would be petitionning the head as to the reasons why.  If he doesn't give a satisfactory response I would go to the local paper and the board of governors.

If it is not in the rules I would write a polite but stern letter to the head and send a copy to the local rag and board.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 30 March 2010, 08:12:45
Citizens advice mate ....
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2010, 10:28:48
So would they rather he ride to school without wearing the sensible protective clothing ;)


I know my old school tried to ban riding motorbikes to school, just because they didn't like motorbikes.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Kiksomass on 30 March 2010, 18:24:32
I read all this with much interest as I was one of those lads who just wasn't quite old enough to have a moped at school :'(But the 4 lads who were old enough,used to park at my Secondary in Chesham alongside the staff cars at the front of the school. IIRC they too had to walk the bike to the gates and then start them up at the end of day,but could ride them in.A small price to pay for the freedom and it worked.Killjoys and nannying nonsense is what's to blame here. ::) >:(
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2010, 19:40:46
What if he rode a pushbike into school and insisted on bringing a helmet, reflective gear, lights, etc into the school? Would he meet the same attitude?

Kevin
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 30 March 2010, 20:49:29
Well I have had a reply. It is very vague just mentioning health and safety and that they are worried the helmet etc may get damaged on school property. I think they  are more worried what damage he could do to someone with the helmet, but they will not actually say that.

So I have replied saying I take full responsibilty for damage to his equipment. And that he will continue using his bike until they can furnish me with a plausible reason for him not using it.

I also mentioned that some schools actually supply moped parking, again no answer to this.

We will see what tomorrows email says.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 March 2010, 20:51:45
Never had an issue with teachers just with another pupil taking the moped for a ride :( :(
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: Vamps on 30 March 2010, 21:57:41
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Well I have had a reply. It is very vague just mentioning health and safety and that they are worried the helmet etc may get damaged on school property. I think they  are more worried what damage he could do to someone with the helmet, but they will not actually say that.

So I have replied saying I take full responsibilty for damage to his equipment. And that he will continue using his bike until they can furnish me with a plausible reason for him not using it.

I also mentioned that some schools actually supply moped parking, again no answer to this.

We will see what tomorrows email says.


Keep us informed.... :y
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: albitz on 31 March 2010, 00:30:54
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What if he rode a pushbike into school and insisted on bringing a helmet, reflective gear, lights, etc into the school? Would he meet the same attitude?

Kevin
Very good point Kevin. If they dont apply the same rule to pushbikes in order to avoid cycling helmets getting damaged while on school premises, then its hard to imagine any explanation other than bias against motorcycles which they dont want to admit to. :y
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 01 April 2010, 12:02:36
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What if he rode a pushbike into school and insisted on bringing a helmet, reflective gear, lights, etc into the school? Would he meet the same attitude?

Kevin
Very good point Kevin. If they dont apply the same rule to pushbikes in order to avoid cycling helmets getting damaged while on school premises, then its hard to imagine any explanation other than bias against motorcycles which they dont want to admit to. :y


If they ride a bicycle, then they have to wear a cycle helmet so I presume people are bringing them into school.
Title: Re: School rules
Post by: mantahatch on 01 April 2010, 12:05:29
It is now 48 hours since there last email. Either they are going to drop it or Mr Cleaver has had to pass it on up the line.
I have not stopped him riding. I supect there next trick is writing a letter, as the school prefers contact that way as they no parents rarely can be bothered to take the time to write back.

But I am hoping we have won.