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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cleggy on 04 April 2010, 22:47:37
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I really don't see what the problem is!
If I ran a B&B surely it is up to me who I let a room to.
Why is all this suddenly an issue?
It is my house and if if I don't want queers or anybody else I don't like in my property why should I have to?
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I really don't see what the problem is!
If I ran a B&B surely it is up to me who I let a room to.
Why is all this suddenly an issue?
It is my house and if if I don't want queers or anybody else I don't like in my property why should I have to?
Cos the LAW says you cannot refuse on certain grounds and and sexual orientation is one of them.
It's the law you know.
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The thought police arrest you on hate crime charges, and the courts hammer you harder than they might do a hardened criminal. Mustnt think differently to what your told you can think. Stalin would be proud. Even Peter Tatchell is starting to speak out against whats happening. ;)
http://www.petertatchell.net/
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The stupidity of all this is the notion that you can legislate away the personally-held views of citizens.
You can't. ;)
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..........But dictators and zealots never seem to realise this,they have a habit of seeing freedom of thought/conscience/ faith as a barrier to their kind of "progress" and it is invariably their undoing in the end. ;)
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The stupidity of all this is the notion that you can legislate away the personally-held views of citizens.
Didn't Adolf try this a while back :question
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I really don't see what the problem is!
If I ran a B&B surely it is up to me who I let a room to.
Why is all this suddenly an issue?
It is my house and if if I don't want queers or anybody else I don't like in my property why should I have to?
Cos the LAW says you cannot refuse on certain grounds and and sexual orientation is one of them.
It's the law you know.
It is the law when it comes to hotels but B&B`s are a different thing, as its the owners personal residents they are allowed to pick & choose who they have as a guest in their own home. :P
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It is the law when it comes to hotels but B&B`s are a different thing, as its the owners personal residents they are allowed to pick & choose who they have as a guest in their own home. :P
Really? As the B+B's offer a service they have to put up Adam and Steve
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If one were as concerned and discerning as to the preferences, nature and inclinations of whom slept in one`s home; then why open your doors to visiting-strangers. :-/
I wouldn`t particularly enjoy having a group of middle-eastern, misogynystic, Islamic-men under my roof; but, then again, I`m not advertising a bedroom for hire! ::)
I can imagine however, that if I were and I turned-away 'same' group of male visitors on grounds of "religious/sexual/race-preference": I`d (doubtless) be subject to severe consequences under race laws. :-X
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Hmm. Let's have a little think about this.
Let's say you own a B&B.
1) A middle-aged business man turns up with a sixteen year-old girl in school uniform and asks for a double bed for the night. Do you allow the pair to stay?
2) A man turns up with a girl who is scantily-clad and holding a whip. He wants a room but says he will only be needing a room for an hour or so, but will pay for the overnight stay. Do you let them stay?
All a question of one's own view of morality, I guess. :-/
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The main point is a bed & breakfast establishment is a commercial concern offering a service to ALL who pass their doors.
The law stipulates that in a business such as this, or in any of the service industries, such as retailing, you cannot and must not discriminate. You MUST offer and provide your service to all, unless there is some point of law as to why you cannot serve an individual i.e. in a pub not serving an individual with alcohol if they are already intoxicated.
Homosexuals is the problem this time round. It is a slippery slope to what I witnessed in my childhood; notices in windows stating:
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No Irish
No Dogs
No Blacks
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I suppose it's quite simply really, if you don't want someone under your roof then " Sorry Fully booked" should suffice
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:-? so how come Sandals holiday resort can legally advertise for mixed couples only?
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:-? so how come Sandals holiday resort can legally advertise for mixed couples only?
Good point
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If I ran a B&B (God forbid), I would find an excuse for barring anyone I didn't like the look of. But, unfortunately, I would probably have an empty guest house for most of the time. ;D
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The main point is a bed & breakfast establishment is a commercial concern offering a service to ALL who pass their doors.
The law stipulates that in a business such as this, or in any of the service industries, such as retailing, you cannot and must not discriminate. You MUST offer and provide your service to all, unless there is some point of law as to why you cannot serve an individual i.e. in a pub not serving an individual with alcohol if they are already intoxicated.
Homosexuals is the problem this time round. It is a slippery slope to what I witnessed in my childhood; notices in windows stating:
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No Irish
No Dogs
No Blacks
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I disagree Lizzie. there are no possible issues of morality/faith/conscience around Irish/dogs/blacks, its just bigotry , and I have been subject to it in the past.
Ther are however people who due to faith or personal morality believe that homosexuality is wrong and I believe they should be allowed to hold that view without having the state having the power to inflict whatever punishment it sees fit.So a different issue imo, but its very convenient (for those with an agenda) to try to convince us all that its all the same issue which cant be seperated. All the minorities joined together hoping to be the majority ?
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If I ran a B&B (God forbid), I would find an excuse for barring anyone I didn't like the look of. But, unfortunately, I would probably have an empty guest house for most of the time. ;D
Brings to mind the old-saying:
::) "There's nowt so queer as folk and even thee's a little queer!" ;D
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The main point is a bed & breakfast establishment is a commercial concern offering a service to ALL who pass their doors.
The law stipulates that in a business such as this, or in any of the service industries, such as retailing, you cannot and must not discriminate. You MUST offer and provide your service to all, unless there is some point of law as to why you cannot serve an individual i.e. in a pub not serving an individual with alcohol if they are already intoxicated.
Homosexuals is the problem this time round. It is a slippery slope to what I witnessed in my childhood; notices in windows stating:
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No Irish
No Dogs
No Blacks
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I disagree Lizzie. there are no possible issues of morality/faith/conscience around Irish/dogs/blacks, its just bigotry , and I have been subject to it in the past.
Ther are however people who due to faith or personal morality believe that homosexuality is wrong and I believe they should be allowed to hold that view without having the state having the power to inflict whatever punishment it sees fit.So a different issue imo, but its very convenient (for those with an agenda) to try to convince us all that its all the same issue which cant be seperated. All the minorities joined together hoping to be the majority ?
Good point there Albs! :y :y
I take your point completely, but is not bigotry behind at least some of the 'banning' of homosexuals from B&B's? :-/ :-/
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Can one be bigoted due to ones personal morality ? discuss ? ;D
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Can one be bigoted due to ones personal morality ? discuss ? ;D
I think so Albs, but not absolutely sure.
Obviously not with dogs (well I don't think so!), but with for instance the awful situation with blacks it could well have been. In distant days White's really did believe blacks were close to the devil, and anything black could not be trusted or allowed to mix with whites in case there was "contamination" . Seems absolutely incredible and disgusting now, but that was a lot of people's belief! Their 'morality' then played a part to keep blacks away from their lives at all levels. That is bigotry I suggest. ;) ;)
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I think you should be true to yourself. If homosexuals truly offended your sense of dignity, then do what you think is right and accept the consequences.
Your B&B will get lots of free publicity and you will be fully booked for years.
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Well, Mrs. KW and I once turned up to stay at a B&B to find it was run by a couple of homosexual men. There's an interesting scenario for you.
I wouldn't hesitate to go back. They had the best home-made marmalade I've ever tasted, and even gave us a jar to take away. :y
Kevin
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There is a B+B in Weymouth that has a sign stating "All welcome, including all faiths, sexual orientation, and ethinicity"
Now THATS an "I don't care who you are" policy!!!
(by the way, the owner is a really nice man and his partner, I have stayed there, and would not hesitate to again.)
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Going back to the OP's question "why is all this suddenly an issue", I think the answer is clearly that there is a general election coming up and all parties with vested interests are blowing up anything they can find to besmirch the competition.
Simple.
It is around election time that politicians reserve the right to put on camouflage and use smoke and mirrors to portray their "deeply-held beliefs" which coincidentally gets the largest number of gullible voters to put a tick in their box.
Even a cynic can be right sometimes. ;D
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Well, Mrs. KW and I once turned up to stay at a B&B to find it was run by a couple of homosexual men. There's an interesting scenario for you.
I wouldn't hesitate to go back. They had the best home-made marmalade I've ever tasted, and even gave us a jar to take away. :y
Kevin
Were you supposed to eat it ::)
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Well, Mrs. KW and I once turned up to stay at a B&B to find it was run by a couple of homosexual men. There's an interesting scenario for you.
I wouldn't hesitate to go back. They had the best home-made marmalade I've ever tasted, and even gave us a jar to take away. :y
Kevin
Were you supposed to eat it ::)
I damned well wasn't about to do anything else with it. :o :P
Kevin
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Can one be bigoted due to ones personal morality ? discuss ? ;D
I think so Albs, but not absolutely sure.
Obviously not with dogs (well I don't think so!), but with for instance the awful situation with blacks it could well have been. In distant days White's really did believe blacks were close to the devil, and anything black could not be trusted or allowed to mix with whites in case there was "contamination" . Seems absolutely incredible and disgusting now, but that was a lot of people's belief! Their 'morality' then played a part to keep blacks away from their lives at all levels. That is bigotry I suggest. ;) ;)
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More ignorance than Bigotry IMHO Lizzie ;)
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Well, Mrs. KW and I once turned up to stay at a B&B to find it was run by a couple of homosexual men. There's an interesting scenario for you.
I wouldn't hesitate to go back. They had the best home-made marmalade I've ever tasted, and even gave us a jar to take away. :y
Kevin
Were you supposed to eat it ::)
I damned well wasn't about to do anything else with it. :o :P
Kevin
Home made marmalade can take the enamel off your teeth, Gawd knows what it would do to 'soft tissue' areas! :D ;D ;D ;)
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:-? so how come Sandals holiday resort can legally advertise for mixed couples only?
Most, if not all holiday brochures and resorts say something like 'no single sex groups' now is 2 people a group ?
I believe it was originally intended to stop a large group of lads or ladies ruining family holidays. Now I must admit I do not like to see gay behaviour in public. I sssume this makes me some kind of 'ist', I can counter this with the gay lads that live opposite my wifes great grandmother. They are 2 very good people, I speak to them 2 to 3 times a year when visiting and great grandmother speaks very highly of them aswell.
Of course at her age she merely thinks they are 2 'gay' bachelors waiting for miss right to come along. She is rather elderly and probably has no idea that gay people exsist.
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ive known a few gay men and women and have no problem with their sexual orientation at all. I do remember going to a pub with a lesbian relative however and getting a bit of abuse from a group of dykes who seemed to want it as "their" pub when in fact it was one that was known to have a mix of both straight and gay clientel. All this brings to mind the arguments over "private clubs" , whether you could have clubs based on shared interests/politics/religion etc . Would these be classed as "discrimination"? Could a Tory join a Labour club or a woman a "gentlemans" club or a Wolves fan a Baggies club? And what about all the "smart casual/no jeans" policies in clubs-is this "jeansist"? ;D. At least you can be black or asian and join the BNP now....
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As regards to "racism" and all the other "isms" we have to put up with these days. I do not care what colour, religion, creed etc etc etc! it is what is in their heads that worries me. :-/
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The main point is a bed & breakfast establishment is a commercial concern offering a service to ALL who pass their doors.
The law stipulates that in a business such as this, or in any of the service industries, such as retailing, you cannot and must not discriminate. You MUST offer and provide your service to all, unless there is some point of law as to why you cannot serve an individual i.e. in a pub not serving an individual with alcohol if they are already intoxicated.
Homosexuals is the problem this time round.
Well, yes, that's the law. As you say you can't run, for example, a hotel for females only (preferably gay) can you?
Can you?
http://www.gabrielleshotel.co.uk/index.html
Oh, OK then, you can. :o 8-) ;)
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What would happen if a husband and wife tried to book a weekend here ?
http://www.guyzhotel.com/
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pubs can get away with signs saying no travellers. is that not discriminating against pikeys.also pubs signs say no under 25s. the law states you have to be 18 to drink in a pub. is that not picking and choosing the clientelle you desire. if you dont want someone in your b&b just say sorry were full. simple answer really.
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I posted this link in the Littlejohn thread, but its probably even more relavant in this thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1263796/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-The-hypocrisy-Lefts-hate-mongers.html