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Title: Climate
Post by: mantahatch on 14 April 2010, 11:48:34
Did we expect any other decision http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8618024.stm
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 April 2010, 11:58:23
<Sound of the tin of whitewash being stacked back in the garden shed.>

Kevin
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: unlucky alf on 14 April 2010, 14:51:35
i dont suppose Lord Oxbugh, chairman of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association and the wind energy company Falck Renewables had any sort of personal interest in giving the scientists the all clear?, im sure he would put his conscience before con-science,,,,,not >:(


Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Banjax on 14 April 2010, 14:58:39
deeply unfortunate - but a good way of being absolutely rigorous in the future, they were slack, they tried to gerrymander the data for drama (there really was no need) hopefully it's a lesson that scientific data must always be open to intense and rigorous scrutiny.

don't manipulate it or be anything other than totally honest - let the data speak for itself  :)

deniers'll never be convinced -  that dwindling band of delusionists have no rigorous, independent scientific data....just very loud voices - the internet has a lot to answer for  ::)

Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Nickbat on 14 April 2010, 15:11:57
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deeply unfortunate - but a good way of being absolutely rigorous in the future, they were slack, they tried to gerrymander the data for drama (there really was no need) hopefully it's a lesson that scientific data must always be open to intense and rigorous scrutiny.

don't manipulate it or be anything other than totally honest - let the data speak for itself  :)

deniers'll never be convinced -  that dwindling band of delusionists have no rigorous, independent scientific data....just very loud voices - the internet has a lot to answer for  ::)


Pure and utter codswallop. There are many scientists who disagree with the AGW theory, their number is growing and there is much independent scientific research to support their views.
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Banjax on 14 April 2010, 17:27:54
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deeply unfortunate - but a good way of being absolutely rigorous in the future, they were slack, they tried to gerrymander the data for drama (there really was no need) hopefully it's a lesson that scientific data must always be open to intense and rigorous scrutiny.

don't manipulate it or be anything other than totally honest - let the data speak for itself  :)

deniers'll never be convinced -  that dwindling band of delusionists have no rigorous, independent scientific data....just very loud voices - the internet has a lot to answer for  ::)


Pure and utter codswallop. There are many scientists who disagree with the AGW theory, their number is growing and there is much independent scientific research to support their views.

why thank you  ;D

erm, you couldn't send me one of your award-winning links and let us look at all this independent scientific research that agrees with you could you? i've yet to see it :(
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Nickbat on 14 April 2010, 18:06:36
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deeply unfortunate - but a good way of being absolutely rigorous in the future, they were slack, they tried to gerrymander the data for drama (there really was no need) hopefully it's a lesson that scientific data must always be open to intense and rigorous scrutiny.

don't manipulate it or be anything other than totally honest - let the data speak for itself  :)

deniers'll never be convinced -  that dwindling band of delusionists have no rigorous, independent scientific data....just very loud voices - the internet has a lot to answer for  ::)


Pure and utter codswallop. There are many scientists who disagree with the AGW theory, their number is growing and there is much independent scientific research to support their views.

why thank you  ;D

erm, you couldn't send me one of your award-winning links and let us look at all this independent scientific research that agrees with you could you? i've yet to see it :(

OK

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Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Banjax on 15 April 2010, 17:34:45
both fiercely bright, but Soon's research is in part funded by API (American Petroleum Institute) and the other guy believes there very little link to lung cancer from smoking! seems their research is based on who's got the biggest cheque?

Nope Nickbat, sorry  - independent scientists only please (beginning to see the problem?)

shoot, pay me enough money i'll swear the grass is blue   :y
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Nickbat on 15 April 2010, 17:44:49
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both fiercely bright, but Soon's research is in part funded by API (American Petroleum Institute) and the other guy believes there very little link to lung cancer from smoking! seems their research is based on who's got the biggest cheque?

Nope Nickbat, sorry  - independent scientists only please (beginning to see the problem?)

shoot, pay me enough money i'll swear the grass is blue   :y


Not the old climate funding bit. Do you realise that the AGW lobby is funded more greatly than sceptical research by a factor of 100s if not 1000s?

Sorry, but your objections that these people are in some way paid off to misrepresent the science to which they have devoted their research is just crass left-wing balderdash.

If you refuse to accept that these two know what they are talking about, then more fool you.  >:(
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Richie London on 15 April 2010, 17:47:28
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/14/AR2010041404001.html?hpid=moreheadlines

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Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the D.C.-based Competitive Enterprise Institute, called it a "superficial investigation."

"They don't even make a minimal effort to rebut the obvious appearance of widespread data manipulation, suppression of dissenting research through improper means and intentional avoidance of complying with Freedom of Information requests," said Ebell, whose think tank accepts funding from energy interests.

Title: Re: Climate
Post by: djac on 15 April 2010, 18:04:13
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deeply unfortunate - but a good way of being absolutely rigorous in the future, they were slack, they tried to gerrymander the data for drama (there really was no need) hopefully it's a lesson that scientific data must always be open to intense and rigorous scrutiny.

don't manipulate it or be anything other than totally honest - let the data speak for itself  :)

deniers'll never be convinced -  that dwindling band of delusionists have no rigorous, independent scientific data....just very loud voices - the internet has a lot to answer for  ::)


Applies equally to the pro-climate change lobby.
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Richie London on 15 April 2010, 18:08:32
i care as much about the climate as china  :y
Title: Re: Climate
Post by: Banjax on 15 April 2010, 19:24:44
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i care as much about the climate as china  :y

actually richie, china owns us lock stock and barrel - they pull the plug on the loans and UK plc is royally screwed  :o