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Title: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 16:04:06
Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: jonnycool on 21 April 2010, 16:15:56
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?
I've got a roundabout just like this near to where I work, with exactly the same problem, but so many people use both lanes that now I just use the one with the shortest queue and take great care.
What does get my back up about roundabouts though is the amount of people who cut you up from the outside lane when you're passing on the inside, simply because they can't be arsed to look in their mirrors. Lost count of the number of times that's happened
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2010, 16:19:52
You're right. But you do have to wonder whether thsoe who design some of our roundabouts have ever been behind the wheel of a car in their life. There's a roundabout near me, going onto the M60 that isn't at all obvious to a stranger, you can easily find yourself in the wrong lane. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=m60+jct+17&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.856753,56.99707&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=M60,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.540131,-2.289326&spn=0,0.001739&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.539884,-2.289368&panoid=t8oRO89j_PAAbuq3uiEQow&cbp=12,169.84,,0,5
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 16:25:27
I fully understand but, this roundabout, you can see the exit coming down the road. I mean I was fully aware he was there, but he raced up to the side of me to try and get past which was annoying anyway, he was then shocked when I didn't move. But the flipping cheek to toot at me for him being in the wrong  >:(
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 April 2010, 16:30:07
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I fully understand but, this roundabout, you can see the exit coming down the road. I mean I was fully aware he was there, but he raced up to the side of me to try and get past which was annoying anyway, he was then shocked when I didn't move. But the flipping cheek to toot at me for him being in the wrong  >:(

This is the roundabout in question: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&tab=wl

I can only see complete UK in the map :-/ and if I go closer there is only sea..
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 16:30:55
Dunno why that happened, Andy how did you make it work  ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2010, 16:48:54
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Dunno why that happened, Andy how did you make it work  ;D

Clink onto 'link' over on the right hand side of the screen which will highlight 'Paste link in email or IM' copy & paste from that box  :y  :y  :y
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 16:50:16
Thanks mate.

This is the roundabout in question: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=Chart+road&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.574771,53.393555&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Chart+Rd,+Ashford,+Kent+TN23+3,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.157493,0.850668&spn=0,0.052142&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.152574,0.858378&panoid=qf6WAuXE6ARm3H-7hklB-w&cbp=12,19.8,,0,5
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 April 2010, 16:53:50
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?


Is that the TA / Tank roundabout Del? :-/

If it is yes many a time people have tried to do that to me, and I have seen drivers do it to others, with on at least one occasion a car ending up on the grass verge!

When I had my old Toyota I just used to indicate and turn left as you should, with anyone trying to come up wrongly on the inside having to give way or risk denting their lovely polished car.

With the miggies I am a little more careful and just use my car's power and my experience to slot in.

That roundabout, and a few others around, really require road markings to remind those forgetting about the Highway Code where they should go! ::) ::) :D :D ;)

EDIT:  I have just seen your Google map reference, and yes it is that roundabout!!!
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2010, 16:54:33
I've no idea about all French roundabouts, but after they got the priority sorted  ;) a lot of their roundabouts only have a single lane on the entry road. This obviously stops people going on in pairs & would stop most of what you experienced ..... not something I think we'll adopt here in Blighty though.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 16:56:17
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?


Is that the TA / Tank roundabout Del? :-/

If it is yes many a time people have tried to do that to me, and I have seen drivers do it to others, with on at least one occasion a car ending up on the grass verge!

When I had my old Toyota I just used to indicate and turn left as you should, with anyone trying to come up wrongly on the inside having to give way or risk denting their lovely polished car.

With the miggies I am a little more careful and just use my car's power and my experience to slot in.

That roundabout, and a few others around, really require road markings to remind those forgetting about the Highway Code where they should go! ::) ::) :D :D ;)

Yep, tank roundabout. As you said it really does need road markings, you can pretty much guarantee 9 times out of 10, someone will try cutting you up there.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 April 2010, 17:04:49
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?


Is that the TA / Tank roundabout Del? :-/

If it is yes many a time people have tried to do that to me, and I have seen drivers do it to others, with on at least one occasion a car ending up on the grass verge!

When I had my old Toyota I just used to indicate and turn left as you should, with anyone trying to come up wrongly on the inside having to give way or risk denting their lovely polished car.

With the miggies I am a little more careful and just use my car's power and my experience to slot in.

That roundabout, and a few others around, really require road markings to remind those forgetting about the Highway Code where they should go! ::) ::) :D :D ;)

EDIT:  I have just seen your Google map reference, and yes it is that roundabout!!!

now here is my citizens roulette style..

road signs, markings , rules.. forget them..

just close your eyes.. and floor the pedal ;D ;D ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 April 2010, 17:05:55
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?


Is that the TA / Tank roundabout Del? :-/

If it is yes many a time people have tried to do that to me, and I have seen drivers do it to others, with on at least one occasion a car ending up on the grass verge!

When I had my old Toyota I just used to indicate and turn left as you should, with anyone trying to come up wrongly on the inside having to give way or risk denting their lovely polished car.

With the miggies I am a little more careful and just use my car's power and my experience to slot in.

That roundabout, and a few others around, really require road markings to remind those forgetting about the Highway Code where they should go! ::) ::) :D :D ;)

EDIT:  I have just seen your Google map reference, and yes it is that roundabout!!!

now here is my citizens roulette style..

road signs, markings , rules.. forget them..

just close your eyes.. and floor the pedal
;D ;D ;D  ;D

That sounds like Maltese driving Cem!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 April 2010, 17:09:55
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Just coming home with the mrs and son from school, got to a roundabout where usually people never get in the right lane the exit is past twelve o'clock so you get in the right hand lane. Not as a bloke in a Skoda roomster has just done and was literally about an inch from the rear of my car, he then had the damn right cheek to toot at me! Then waving his arms around, then there was some nice verbal abuse from me then he kept going so I stopped in the road, and said to him in not such a polite manner, read the highway code, don't toot at me when you're in the wrong and if you want to carry this on get out of your car, he quickly then shut up, then turned down another road  >:( >:(

I wouldn't have minded but trying to imply I was in the wrong really got my back up. What is it people can't grasp if a turning on a roundabout is past twelve o'clock USE THE RIGHT HAND LANE. I was already in a bad mood today and this pissed me off even more.

Rant over, hows eveyone else's day been?


Is that the TA / Tank roundabout Del? :-/

If it is yes many a time people have tried to do that to me, and I have seen drivers do it to others, with on at least one occasion a car ending up on the grass verge!

When I had my old Toyota I just used to indicate and turn left as you should, with anyone trying to come up wrongly on the inside having to give way or risk denting their lovely polished car.

With the miggies I am a little more careful and just use my car's power and my experience to slot in.

That roundabout, and a few others around, really require road markings to remind those forgetting about the Highway Code where they should go! ::) ::) :D :D ;)

EDIT:  I have just seen your Google map reference, and yes it is that roundabout!!!

now here is my citizens roulette style..

road signs, markings , rules.. forget them..

just close your eyes.. and floor the pedal
;D ;D ;D  ;D

That sounds like Maltese driving Cem!! ;D ;D ;D ;)

just for that reason , traffic police wait there in duty ;D

but many accidents still happen :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 April 2010, 17:10:50
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Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: hoofing it on 21 April 2010, 17:11:16
It wouldn't matter how many arrows you paint on the road a-holes still do as the please.
and for those that go straight over rather than round or cut your into your lane, driving a truck solves that problem flatten the muppets ;D ;D ;D.
I was taught exit 1 and 2 keep to the left unless otherwise marked exits 3+ use righthand lane unless otherwise marked :)
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Varche on 21 April 2010, 17:17:29
I found out recently that on any roundabout the Spanish are taught to stay in the inside lane without indicating until they get to their exit and then indicate.

that explains the number of accidents we see on roundabouts here. One roundabout in Granada I have nicknamed the worse roundabout in the world.It
serves a motorway on and off, varies in size from 2 to 5 lanes and has in total NINE roads on or off (most are dual carriageways). Most Spanish cars aren't even equipped with indicators.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 17:18:01
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From the Highway Code
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186

Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
I was always taught, look at a roundabout like a clockface if it's past twelve o'clock then use the right lane. If we take the clock out of the occasion then the exit is to the right, and as the highway code says if it's right then indicate right and approach in the right hand lane. So I am in the right  :P Oh and I know there is no malarky about 12 o'clock but it's pretty much the same as saying if the exit is to the right then use the right hand lane.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 April 2010, 17:26:09
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Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
I was always taught, look at a roundabout like a clockface if it's past twelve o'clock then use the right lane. If we take the clock out of the occasion then the exit is to the right, and as the highway code says if it's right then indicate right and approach in the right hand lane. So I am in the right  :P Oh and I know there is no malarky about 12 o'clock but it's pretty much the same as saying if the exit is to the right then use the right hand lane.

The code ambiguous here, how many exits are on the roundabout in question?  The 'when going to the right' bit sounds like it could only apply to 2 exit roundabouts.  I was never taught about clock faces, always about number of exits.  In fact on my first driving test I took a roundabout with 2 exits both of which were before 12 o'clock.  I was told to take the second exit, which I did, but I took the left hand lane which would be right by your clock face thing.  I failed on that.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 April 2010, 17:28:30
Additionally if you want to see some real willys on roundabouts go round a few on a push-bike.

I my yoof I went around L'Etoile on my push-bike.  I only crashed once in Paris and it was when a pedestrian walked out in front of me.  It may be chaos but it works  :y
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2010, 17:31:15
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 It may be chaos but it works  :y

That's the Arc de Triomphe isn't ....... completely chaotic!
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 17:31:37
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Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
I was always taught, look at a roundabout like a clockface if it's past twelve o'clock then use the right lane. If we take the clock out of the occasion then the exit is to the right, and as the highway code says if it's right then indicate right and approach in the right hand lane. So I am in the right  :P Oh and I know there is no malarky about 12 o'clock but it's pretty much the same as saying if the exit is to the right then use the right hand lane.

The code ambiguous here, how many exits are on the roundabout in question?  The 'when going to the right' bit sounds like it could only apply to 2 exit roundabouts.  I was never taught about clock faces, always about number of exits.  In fact on my first driving test I took a roundabout with 2 exits both of which were before 12 o'clock.  I was told to take the second exit, which I did, but I took the left hand lane which would be right by your clock face thing.  I failed on that.
There are 5 exits at that roundabout, I was always taught use the left hand lane for the first exit right hand lane for exits 12 o'clock and after. Although for going straight over the left hand lane is ok dependant on the roundabout. Just realised that isn't what I said earlier. Apologies.
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 17:32:31
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Additionally if you want to see some real willys on roundabouts go round a few on a push-bike.

I my yoof I went around L'Etoile on my push-bike.  I only crashed once in Paris and it was when a pedestrian walked out in front of me.  It may be chaos but it works  :y
Wouldn't go round on a bike  ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: mantahatch on 21 April 2010, 17:35:00
We have a couple of great roundabouts, first is marked to use the left lane to take the 3rd exit which is well past 12 o'clock. The right hand lane is marked for only the 3 o'clock exit which is used the least.

Second r/b has 3 entry lanes and only 2 exits, and both exits are single carraigeway, this is the same for all approach and exit roads, figure that one out.


Here is first one http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=eastleigh&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eastleigh,+Hampshire,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=aCnPS9jONISangOYr6E3&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA&ll=50.950583,-1.364719&spn=0.000613,0.0012&t=k&z=20
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 April 2010, 17:53:02
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Additionally if you want to see some real willys on roundabouts go round a few on a push-bike.

I my yoof I went around L'Etoile on my push-bike.  I only crashed once in Paris and it was when a pedestrian walked out in front of me.  It may be chaos but it works  :y
Wouldn't go round on a bike  ;D

It was in my more, erm, foolish days!  The airhorn system I had on my handlebars helped  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 April 2010, 17:54:39
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Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
I was always taught, look at a roundabout like a clockface if it's past twelve o'clock then use the right lane. If we take the clock out of the occasion then the exit is to the right, and as the highway code says if it's right then indicate right and approach in the right hand lane. So I am in the right  :P Oh and I know there is no malarky about 12 o'clock but it's pretty much the same as saying if the exit is to the right then use the right hand lane.

The code ambiguous here, how many exits are on the roundabout in question?  The 'when going to the right' bit sounds like it could only apply to 2 exit roundabouts.  I was never taught about clock faces, always about number of exits.  In fact on my first driving test I took a roundabout with 2 exits both of which were before 12 o'clock.  I was told to take the second exit, which I did, but I took the left hand lane which would be right by your clock face thing.  I failed on that.
There are 5 exits at that roundabout, I was always taught use the left hand lane for the first exit right hand lane for exits 12 o'clock and after. Although for going straight over the left hand lane is ok dependant on the roundabout. Just realised that isn't what I said earlier. Apologies.

ah!  Makes sense know.  The other blokes a prat, you should have decked him  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 17:57:18
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Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

There is no hard and fast rule about 12 o'clock or otherwise.  It depends on the number of exits, if the second exit of 3 is past 12 I would still take the inside lane.  As to who was right is your situation, it would depend on number of exits (your map points at a road so I can't tell myself) and the road markings.
I was always taught, look at a roundabout like a clockface if it's past twelve o'clock then use the right lane. If we take the clock out of the occasion then the exit is to the right, and as the highway code says if it's right then indicate right and approach in the right hand lane. So I am in the right  :P Oh and I know there is no malarky about 12 o'clock but it's pretty much the same as saying if the exit is to the right then use the right hand lane.

The code ambiguous here, how many exits are on the roundabout in question?  The 'when going to the right' bit sounds like it could only apply to 2 exit roundabouts.  I was never taught about clock faces, always about number of exits.  In fact on my first driving test I took a roundabout with 2 exits both of which were before 12 o'clock.  I was told to take the second exit, which I did, but I took the left hand lane which would be right by your clock face thing.  I failed on that.
There are 5 exits at that roundabout, I was always taught use the left hand lane for the first exit right hand lane for exits 12 o'clock and after. Although for going straight over the left hand lane is ok dependant on the roundabout. Just realised that isn't what I said earlier. Apologies.

ah!  Makes sense know.  The other blokes a prat, you should have decked him  ;D ;D ;D
;D  ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Andy B on 21 April 2010, 19:14:44
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We have a couple of great roundabouts, first is marked to use the left lane to take the 3rd exit which is well past 12 o'clock. The right hand lane is marked for only the 3 o'clock exit which is used the least.

Second r/b has 3 entry lanes and only 2 exits, and both exits are single carraigeway, this is the same for all approach and exit roads, figure that one out.


Here is first one http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=eastleigh&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eastleigh,+Hampshire,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=aCnPS9jONISangOYr6E3&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA&ll=50.950583,-1.364719&spn=0.000613,0.0012&t=k&z=20

I used to travel from Pompey to here & back when the M3 was extended to meet up with the M27. We used to pick up te A34 around there somewhere. What nightmare journies they used to be, they took ages & we tried just about every imaginable to avoid the road works ..... along with everyone who had the same idea  ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: LaserLance on 21 April 2010, 21:08:00
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&ll=51.486708,3.793467&spn=0,0.00283&t=h&z=19&layer=tc&cbll=51.486722,3.793639&panoid=VzroICPzWy47w0zA9p_VYQ&cbp=12,227.9,,0,1.59 I just been round this baby this morning in me truck ,ok with a normal trailer but wouldn't fancy it with nice top heavy container on a skelly :o :o
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 April 2010, 21:09:39
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http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&ll=51.486708,3.793467&spn=0,0.00283&t=h&z=19&layer=tc&cbll=51.486722,3.793639&panoid=VzroICPzWy47w0zA9p_VYQ&cbp=12,227.9,,0,1.59 I just been round this baby this morning in me truck ,ok with a normal trailer but wouldn't fancy it with nice top heavy container on a skelly :o :o


But it's on the wrong side of the road.......and so is everyone else!! :o :o :o :P :P :P :D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: LaserLance on 21 April 2010, 21:11:52
Now ,now lizzie ;D ;D ;D ;D must admit im enjoying driving on the other side again ,beats the hell out of driving on M25
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: LaserLance on 21 April 2010, 21:13:43
But I suppose after being on the rock and roll for 7 weeks ,and on £64 a week ,Ill enjoy most things ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Del Boy on 21 April 2010, 21:34:49
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But I suppose after being on the rock and roll for 7 weeks ,and on £64 a week ,Ill enjoy most things ;D ;D ;D
Glad things are working out mate  :y
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 April 2010, 21:55:00
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Now ,now lizzie ;D ;D ;D ;D must admit im enjoying driving on the other side again ,beats the hell out of driving on M25

I know what you mean Lance!! :y :y :y

Anything is better than being on the worlds biggest car park when things go wrong, as they so often do! ::) ::) :'( :'(

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: mantahatch on 21 April 2010, 22:45:05
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We have a couple of great roundabouts, first is marked to use the left lane to take the 3rd exit which is well past 12 o'clock. The right hand lane is marked for only the 3 o'clock exit which is used the least.

Second r/b has 3 entry lanes and only 2 exits, and both exits are single carraigeway, this is the same for all approach and exit roads, figure that one out.


Here is first one http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=eastleigh&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eastleigh,+Hampshire,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=aCnPS9jONISangOYr6E3&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA&ll=50.950583,-1.364719&spn=0.000613,0.0012&t=k&z=20

I used to travel from Pompey to here & back when the M3 was extended to meet up with the M27. We used to pick up te A34 around there somewhere. What nightmare journies they used to be, they took ages & we tried just about every imaginable to avoid the road works ..... along with everyone who had the same idea  ;D


M3/M27 interchange pretty clear now. Except Friday night and Saturdays through the summer (holiday route)
M3/A34 interchange is probably worse now the M3 is complete, when you had the old A33 hockley traffic lights on the dual carraigeway A34 was ok.

 :y
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: Vamps on 21 April 2010, 23:57:35
I have this problem quite often and have learned just to be aware.. ::) ::)
Durham Road in Stockton (not cleaver enough to post a gogle pic :D :D)
Single road goes into two at the RA first exit at 8 o'clock, second at 10 third at 12 and forth at 3. lane markings say left lane for 12 exit but many use the inside lane, you need to be on the ball as you enter 12 o'clock...... :)
Title: Re: Why can't people grasp roundabouts?
Post by: JesterRT on 22 April 2010, 13:38:17
I go through about 4 or five of these on my commute, but the worst offender, the one that sees the red mist descend is turning off the M6 towards Stafford.  Occasionally there's a queue to turn right (to Stafford) of, say, about 3 cars.  The amount of people who use the left lane to turn right is disgraceful. >:(