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Title: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 08:36:23

A visit to Booths of Rotherham yesterday to purchase some spares for 47292.

The thankless donor in this case was 47575 which they had already attacked with the hot axe!

This is how much they bend once the roof and sides are removed and the gravitational spike that is the 'donk' gets a hold

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00033.jpg)

Anatomy of (part of) a 47

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00031.jpg)

It now has little in the way of contactors as they are now stored safely in our spares container!
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: jonnycool on 02 May 2010, 09:06:03
Didn't realise the top and sides gave it so much structural support - they look quite flimsy  :o
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 09:10:22
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Didn't realise the top and sides gave it so much structural support - they look quite flimsy  :o

Class 47's were one of the first with a stressed skin which saved CONSIDERABLE weight.

As an example, a c47 is 113 tons and a c46, which has a full structural chassis is 130+ tons.....they both give similar power outputs but the 47 was the leap forward in construction techniques
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 09:45:29
I tried but, I failed to get it started!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/Start_yah_bstard.jpg)
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: tunnie on 02 May 2010, 09:55:22
+1 here for not knowing how much the sides and roof played in strength  :o

Why did the break it, bogies look very clean/new, decent paint job on there too  :-/
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 11:04:42
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+1 here for not knowing how much the sides and roof played in strength  :o

Why did the break it, bogies look very clean/new, decent paint job on there too  :-/

It had an electrical fault....it kept giving the driver a jolt!

Still, kept him awake!

So its been used as a spares donor hence no brake components left on board nad the bogies have been sold (ignore paint, the tyres are the key and these ones are excellent!)
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 02 May 2010, 11:10:03
So sad, another one gone, and the paintwork was in very good order!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


PS I first saw 47575 (at the time a Cardiff Canton depot engine) at Bristol Temple Meads in 1985, and I also noted 47292 (an Immingham depot engine) during the same year according to my notes :( :(
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 02 May 2010, 11:14:54
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A visit to Booths of Rotherham yesterday to purchase some spares for 47292.

The thankless donor in this case was 47575 which they had already attacked with the hot axe!

This is how much they bend once the roof and sides are removed and the gravitational spike that is the 'donk' gets a hold

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00033.jpg)

Anatomy of (part of) a 47

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00031.jpg)

It now has little in the way of contactors as they are now stored safely in our spares container!

surprising  :-?

normally one will expect a rigid chasis..

and I must confess we have similiar pleasures  ;D , the only difference is I feel myself in heaven when I'm in car scrapyards ;D
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 16:47:13
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So sad, another one gone, and the paintwork was in very good order!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


PS I first saw 47575 (at the time a Cardiff Canton depot engine) at Bristol Temple Meads in 1985, and I also noted 47292 (an Immingham depot engine) during the same year according to my notes :( :(

Lol, the paint work might have appeared ok but, its actualy really poor....looks like its been put on with a roller following poor preperation!
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 16:49:52
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A visit to Booths of Rotherham yesterday to purchase some spares for 47292.

The thankless donor in this case was 47575 which they had already attacked with the hot axe!

This is how much they bend once the roof and sides are removed and the gravitational spike that is the 'donk' gets a hold

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00033.jpg)

Anatomy of (part of) a 47

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00031.jpg)

It now has little in the way of contactors as they are now stored safely in our spares container!

surprising  :-?

normally one will expect a rigid chasis..

and I must confess we have similiar pleasures  ;D , the only difference is I feel myself in heaven when I'm in car scrapyards ;D

Maybe 50 years ago......not on more modern traction....its just to dam heavy to build something like that
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 02 May 2010, 17:39:06
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So sad, another one gone, and the paintwork was in very good order!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


PS I first saw 47575 (at the time a Cardiff Canton depot engine) at Bristol Temple Meads in 1985, and I also noted 47292 (an Immingham depot engine) during the same year according to my notes :( :(

Lol, the paint work might have appeared ok but, its actualy really poor....looks like its been put on with a roller following poor preperation!

Oh dear as it does come across as looking good in the photo's.  Is it an example Mark, that we know took place during the last years of steam, where enthusiasts visited steam sheds and cleaned engines down, with added paint on the buffers and elsewhere, to make their soon to be departed favourite engines ready for the last rites (or even hoped for / dreamed preservation? :-/ :-/

I think I know the answer though!  H&S of today would never allow dozens of young enthusiasts to climb all over engines cleaning them in a modern depot ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: TheBoy on 02 May 2010, 20:43:48
Ah! Thats what it looks like with the roof off ;D
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Seth on 02 May 2010, 21:36:37
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Ah! Thats what it looks like with the roof off ;D

Yeah, a sort of 'Class 47 Cabriolet' possibly! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 21:55:15
MUCH easier to work on although a few more sharp edges present!
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Seth on 02 May 2010, 22:13:32
Yeah, a sort of 'Class 47 Cabriolet' possibly! ;D ;D ;D

Forgive the 'Valleys Humour' Mark! :D
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Matchless on 02 May 2010, 22:37:08
You often see them with rotten bodysides just above the soleplate....I wonder how close they are to bending in the middle?
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2010, 22:46:06
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You often see them with rotten bodysides just above the soleplate....I wonder how close they are to bending in the middle?

Probably not very as the key structure is a large lattice work inside the skin (which you crack your head on inside) with the skin on top so the areas are kept fairly small.

I saw a Mk2 coach which was rather banana shaped due to that very problem though
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: tidla on 03 May 2010, 00:05:56
my brother joined the " rail riders " club many moons ago and and as a lucky new member got to attend the naming ceremony in york and a ride in the cab of "47406"
fate unknown of engine? :)
Title: Re: Another morning at the scrap yard
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 03 May 2010, 10:33:13
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my brother joined the " rail riders " club many moons ago and and as a lucky new member got to attend the naming ceremony in york and a ride in the cab of "47406"
fate unknown of engine? :)


I don't know about the diesel version of class 47, 47406, but the steam version, LMS 3F 'Jinty' 0-6-0 47406 looked like this in Dia Woodham's Barry scrapyard:

(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Jinty47406.jpg)

It has recently been steamed on the Great Central Railway at Lougborough for the first time since 1966, and will soon be back pulling trains like this sister engine 47493 on the Severn Valley Railway:

(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Jinty47493.jpg)

 :-* :-* 8-) 8-)

.............In terms of the Class 47 version it is not good news!  I have found by research that it is:

SCRAPPED
Cut-up :: M.R.J. Phillips at FH :: December 1995
Depot :: HQ
Livery :: InterCity

Another one gone! :'( :'( :'( :'(