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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 02 May 2010, 22:58:44
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I recently read a blogger ranting on about homeopathy and how it was all bogus and that anyone who believed in it lived in la la land etc, etc.
I didn't give the subject much thought, to be honest. However, today I caught a fascinating programme (by the Deadly 60 bloke, who's name I've forgotten) about how, in Thailand they have discovered that the root of some plant has been scientifically proven to act as a 100% antidote to the King Cobra venom.
I also seem to recall that aspirin and trees are linked (though maybe that's my dusty mind playing tricks).
So, if some medicines can be found in nature, what's the beef about homeopathy?
As I say, I have no opinion on this subject at all, but I am keen to read the views of others.
Quackery or science? You decide! :) :y
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my mother was always treating me with her remedies, some times it worked, sometimes it didnt.
nowt wrong with me , tud durr margret, where are you margret. wev got a customer.... :D
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Lots of medicines have their origins in nature and natural substances ( as do a lot of poisons!).
If homeopathy works for you, go for it ----- belief in the treatment can have a great placebo effect, if nothing else.
Incidentally, the last time I had a small operation I took Arnica before and after (treats bruising and swelling) and all I can say is that the bruising, swelling and general discomfort seemed less than I have had after other procedures.
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Lots of medicines have their origins in nature and natural substances ( as do a lot of poisons!).
If homeopathy works for you, go for it ----- belief in the treatment can have a great placebo effect, if nothing else.
Incidentally, the last time I had a small operation I took Arnica before and after (treats bruising and swelling) and all I can say is that the bruising, swelling and general discomfort seemed less than I have had after other procedures.
I remember my mum applying that (and Witch Hazel, or is that the same thing?) fro bruises. Thanks for stirring my memory banks! :y
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As far as I know all drugs-medicines have the active agent(s) extracted from plants.. medicines are mostly more complex compared to simple plants as they are mixtures of many extracts and some chemical additives..but using plants is obviously cheaper..
and looking from trade point of view there are big profits in this area.. and most countries pay enormous sums which can already be solved cheaply..
I remember from tv programs some doctors try to cure cancer with those plants directly which causes a big war..
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pigs bladder elements has been used to help repair damaged limbs of soldiers that would normally have been amputated.
it works, docs dont as yet know why.
why not plant extracts??
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this interesting documentary may shed some light on the topic
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lots of medicines have their origins in nature and natural substances ( as do a lot of poisons!).
If homeopathy works for you, go for it ----- belief in the treatment can have a great placebo effect, if nothing else.
Incidentally, the last time I had a small operation I took Arnica before and after (treats bruising and swelling) and all I can say is that the bruising, swelling and general discomfort seemed less than I have had after other procedures.
I remember my mum applying that (and Witch Hazel, or is that the same thing?) fro bruises. Thanks for stirring my memory banks! :y
Arnica and Witch Hazel are different, but both used for bruising (amongst other things).
Witch Hazel is an astringent so shrinks blood vessels. Arnica promotes healing by dilating blood vessels !!! You pays yer money and takes yer choice !
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You are confusing Homeopathy with Herbal medicine.
Homeopathy is the one which says that a little bit of the poison that made you ill will make you better.
It is also the one that insists that the more you dilute the remedy, the more effective it becomes. This leads to the situation whereby the dose you take may (statistically) not contain a single molecule of the declared active ingredient. This is explained by something called "water memory".
Herbal medicine is simply using naturally-occurring compounds to cure disease. Aspirin is derived from the leaves and bark of the willow tree.
Chinese herbal medicine is unregulated in the UK and somebody died last year from being treated with something containing a toxic substance.
All things considered, the NHS doesn't do a bad job. :)
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You are confusing Homeopathy with Herbal medicine.
Homeopathy is the one which says that a little bit of the poison that made you ill will make you better.
It is also the one that insists that the more you dilute the remedy, the more effective it becomes. This leads to the situation whereby the dose you take may (statistically) not contain a single molecule of the declared active ingredient. This is explained by something called "water memory".
Herbal medicine is simply using naturally-occurring compounds to cure disease. Aspirin is derived from the leaves and bark of the willow tree.
Chinese herbal medicine is unregulated in the UK and somebody died last year from being treated with something containing a toxic substance.
All things considered, the NHS doesn't do a bad job. :)
Thanks for that, JB. I was unaware of the definition of homeopathy as it has not been an area of great interest to me. :y
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You are confusing Homeopathy with Herbal medicine.
Homeopathy is the one which says that a little bit of the poison that made you ill will make you better.
It is also the one that insists that the more you dilute the remedy, the more effective it becomes. This leads to the situation whereby the dose you take may (statistically) not contain a single molecule of the declared active ingredient. This is explained by something called "water memory".
Herbal medicine is simply using naturally-occurring compounds to cure disease. Aspirin is derived from the leaves and bark of the willow tree.
Chinese herbal medicine is unregulated in the UK and somebody died last year from being treated with something containing a toxic substance.
All things considered, the NHS doesn't do a bad job. :)
As JB states, you are mixing up the two different approaches , A lot of modern medicines are based on natural remedies, current example :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8650695.stm
also simple remedies, like using Doc leaves to counter the effects of nettle stings
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A lot of modern medicine are based on natural remedies, current example :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8650695.stm
also simple remedies, like using Doc leaves to counter the effects of nettle stings
Good find! :y :y
"Scientists have discovered that an extract from the skin of the phantasmal poison frog Epipedobates tricolor, a chemical called Epibatidine, could block pain 200 times more effectively than morphine, and without addiction and other serious side effects."
Oh, and I've used Dock leaves countless times to counteract nettle stings! :y
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Tea tree oil - I believe is being looked into to counter MRSA as it the only naturally occurring substance that is an:- antiseptic, antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral agent
Silver threaded NHS gowns are also being investigated to combat MRSA
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Tea tree oil - I believe is being looked into to counter MRSA as it the only naturally occurring substance that is an:- antiseptic, antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral agent
Silver threaded NHS gowns are also being investigated to combat MRSA
On the advice of my dentist, who, to be kind, is somewhat eccentric, I invested a substantial wodge of money in a bottle of Tea Tree oil. It was supposedly guaranteed to alleviate some ailment which I can no longer recall. I applied said tincture to the injured section of my anatomy. After 10 minutes, I was obliged to go and take a shower to remove the loathsome smell of the foul stuff. The shower did not achieve this, and it required two perfumed baths to restore me to my usual fragrant state.
I really would not recommend Tea Tree Oil. >:( >:( >:(
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You are confusing Homeopathy with Herbal medicine.
Homeopathy is the one which says that a little bit of the poison that made you ill will make you better.
It is also the one that insists that the more you dilute the remedy, the more effective it becomes. This leads to the situation whereby the dose you take may (statistically) not contain a single molecule of the declared active ingredient. This is explained by something called "water memory".
Herbal medicine is simply using naturally-occurring compounds to cure disease. Aspirin is derived from the leaves and bark of the willow tree.
Chinese herbal medicine is unregulated in the UK and somebody died last year from being treated with something containing a toxic substance.
All things considered, the NHS doesn't do a bad job. :)
same applies to normal drugs also.. when normal dose is exceeded it can kill you.. but that doesnt proove using plants are wrong..
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All conventional medicines are ultimately derived from naturally occuring substances. The drug companies take these substances and then synthesize them so they can be mass produced.
However in my opinion if these naturally occuring substances cannot be mass produced cost effectively, then they will never make it on to the market as the drug companies will not make a profit.........
I think that this applies across the board from pain killers to potential cancer cures!! :( :( :(
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You are confusing Homeopathy with Herbal medicine.
Homeopathy is the one which says that a little bit of the poison that made you ill will make you better.
It is also the one that insists that the more you dilute the remedy, the more effective it becomes. This leads to the situation whereby the dose you take may (statistically) not contain a single molecule of the declared active ingredient. This is explained by something called "water memory".
Herbal medicine is simply using naturally-occurring compounds to cure disease. Aspirin is derived from the leaves and bark of the willow tree.
Chinese herbal medicine is unregulated in the UK and somebody died last year from being treated with something containing a toxic substance.
All things considered, the NHS doesn't do a bad job. :)
My example with Arnica is Homeopathy. Taken internally in all but minute doses it is poisonous! And, likewise, applied topically, in all but minute doses it causes intense irritation.
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Ihave always believed that there are some cures within the homeopathy field, using the power of natures own produce to cure our bodily ills, as practiced for thousands of years, and which got some into trouble during the "witchcraft" hysteria of mainly the 17th century. Then, as now, ignorance scared people, and stopped the logical acceptance that there was scientific reasons behind these cures, not "devils magic"!
I used some strange organic remedy to cure a problem when in my twenties that could have had me tried as a witch in earlier centuries; to rid myself of warts!
After trying various remedies to remove warts growing on my hands, and still spreading, I used one of those "old wives" remedies. I wiped a raw piece if beef steak over all my warts, whilst heavily cursing them. I then buried the steak in the garden. Within two weeks all my warts had disappeared!! :o :o 8-)
Rest assurred, the human race knows nothing yet, and there are many organic / homeopathic treatments out there that we have no knowledge of, but ignorance and fear can stop us trying them out!! ::) ::)
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iirc doeses involved in Homeopathy are 1 drop of treatment diluted into an olympic sized swimming pool at a minimum.
Science says it cannot work, yet it has many many people who claim otherwise.
as previously stated, not to be mixed with herbal / old fashioned remedys.
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All conventional medicines are ultimately derived from naturally occuring substances. The drug companies take these substances and then synthesize them so they can be mass produced.
However in my opinion if these naturally occuring substances cannot be mass produced cost effectively, then they will never make it on to the market as the drug companies will not make a profit.........
I think that this applies across the board from pain killers to potential cancer cures!! :( :( :(
if you could see the prices of those drugs sold on overseas with abnormal greedy profits, I'm sure you would doubt their cost effectiveness.. :-/
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Ihave always believed that there are some cures within the homeopathy field, using the power of natures own produce to cure our bodily ills, as practiced for thousands of years, and which got some into trouble during the "witchcraft" hysteria of mainly the 17th century. Then, as now, ignorance scared people, and stopped the logical acceptance that there was scientific reasons behind these cures, not "devils magic"!
I used some strange organic remedy to cure a problem when in my twenties that could have had me tried as a witch in earlier centuries; to rid myself of warts!
After trying various remedies to remove warts growing on my hands, and still spreading, I used one of those "old wives" remedies. I wiped a raw piece if beef steak over all my warts, whilst heavily cursing them. I then buried the steak in the garden. Within two weeks all my warts had disappeared!! :o :o 8-)
Rest assurred, the human race knows nothing yet, and there are many organic / homeopathic treatments out there that we have no knowledge of, but ignorance and fear can stop us trying them out!! ::) ::)
I can say, you play with frogs and snails in your childhood ;D because I also suffered.. but they are lost after some time..
also I can understand the healing part but burrying the steak.. ;D I bet you know some hocus pocus ;D :y
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Ihave always believed that there are some cures within the homeopathy field, using the power of natures own produce to cure our bodily ills, as practiced for thousands of years, and which got some into trouble during the "witchcraft" hysteria of mainly the 17th century. Then, as now, ignorance scared people, and stopped the logical acceptance that there was scientific reasons behind these cures, not "devils magic"!
I used some strange organic remedy to cure a problem when in my twenties that could have had me tried as a witch in earlier centuries; to rid myself of warts!
After trying various remedies to remove warts growing on my hands, and still spreading, I used one of those "old wives" remedies. I wiped a raw piece if beef steak over all my warts, whilst heavily cursing them. I then buried the steak in the garden. Within two weeks all my warts had disappeared!! :o :o 8-)
Rest assurred, the human race knows nothing yet, and there are many organic / homeopathic treatments out there that we have no knowledge of, but ignorance and fear can stop us trying them out!! ::) ::)
I can say, you play with frogs and snails in your childhood ;D because I also suffered.. but they are lost after some time..
also I can understand the healing part but burrying the steak.. ;D I bet you know some hocus pocus ;D :y
Not quiet Cem. I played with lizards and cockroaches instead! ::) ::) Used to love the red, flying, cockroaches!
:-* :-*
I was a strange child, and mum never understood me!! :'( :'(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ihave always believed that there are some cures within the homeopathy field, using the power of natures own produce to cure our bodily ills, as practiced for thousands of years, and which got some into trouble during the "witchcraft" hysteria of mainly the 17th century. Then, as now, ignorance scared people, and stopped the logical acceptance that there was scientific reasons behind these cures, not "devils magic"!
I used some strange organic remedy to cure a problem when in my twenties that could have had me tried as a witch in earlier centuries; to rid myself of warts!
After trying various remedies to remove warts growing on my hands, and still spreading, I used one of those "old wives" remedies. I wiped a raw piece if beef steak over all my warts, whilst heavily cursing them. I then buried the steak in the garden. Within two weeks all my warts had disappeared!! :o :o 8-)
Rest assurred, the human race knows nothing yet, and there are many organic / homeopathic treatments out there that we have no knowledge of, but ignorance and fear can stop us trying them out!! ::) ::)
I can say, you play with frogs and snails in your childhood ;D because I also suffered.. but they are lost after some time..
also I can understand the healing part but burrying the steak.. ;D I bet you know some hocus pocus ;D :y
Not quiet Cem. I played with lizards and cockroaches instead! ::) ::) Used to love the red, flying, cockroaches!
:-* :-*
I was a strange child, and mum never understood me!! :'( :'(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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All conventional medicines are ultimately derived from naturally occuring substances. The drug companies take these substances and then synthesize them so they can be mass produced.
However in my opinion if these naturally occuring substances cannot be mass produced cost effectively, then they will never make it on to the market as the drug companies will not make a profit.........
I think that this applies across the board from pain killers to potential cancer cures!! :( :( :(
if you could see the prices of those drugs sold on overseas with abnormal greedy profits, I'm sure you would doubt their cost effectiveness.. :-/
I agree with you there Cem, drugs arn't necessarily cost effective to the end user due to the high prices. Take ibuprofen for example, if you buy a branded product its very expensive, however you can buy cheaper brands in places like Aldi at a fraction of the price :y
My earlier point however, was that if a new drug is discovered say to cure the common cold, but the R&D costs are so high that the drug companies cannot make a profit they won't bother!! >:(
I'm certain that there are remedies out there for all sorts of stuff from cancer to malaria, but because they cannot be mass produced profitably, people continue to die from these diseases! :'( :(
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All conventional medicines are ultimately derived from naturally occuring substances. The drug companies take these substances and then synthesize them so they can be mass produced.
However in my opinion if these naturally occuring substances cannot be mass produced cost effectively, then they will never make it on to the market as the drug companies will not make a profit.........
I think that this applies across the board from pain killers to potential cancer cures!! :( :( :(
if you could see the prices of those drugs sold on overseas with abnormal greedy profits, I'm sure you would doubt their cost effectiveness.. :-/
I agree with you there Cem, drugs arn't necessarily cost effective to the end user due to the high prices. Take ibuprofen for example, if you buy a branded product its very expensive, however you can buy cheaper brands in places like Aldi at a fraction of the price :y
My earlier point however, was that if a new drug is discovered say to cure the common cold, but the R&D costs are so high that the drug companies cannot make a profit they won't bother!! >:(
I'm certain that there are remedies out there for all sorts of stuff from cancer to malaria, but because they cannot be mass produced profitably, people continue to die from these diseases! :'( :(
The economics of the pharmaceutical industry are horrendous, but it's not actually the R&D that is the limiting factor, unless you want to include in that the costs of bringing a developed drug to market. Every drug has to be tested in every country where it is to be marketed, and these tests usually take from 3 to 5 years to complete. Then there is the licensing process to go through, and then there are national approval organisations, such as NICE in the UK, which decide whether or not the costs of using the drug are appropriate. There are some treatments for which the drug costs alone are in excess of £40k a year, and the NHS cannot afford to use them.
The cost of drugs is determined by what they can be sold for in the free markets, which means the USA. Medical costs in that country are out of control, because the insurance companies pay without question. They don't actually insure without question, so it's only the well-off who can actually afford the sort of insurance which will actually pay out for the expensive treatments.
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All conventional medicines are ultimately derived from naturally occuring substances. The drug companies take these substances and then synthesize them so they can be mass produced.
However in my opinion if these naturally occuring substances cannot be mass produced cost effectively, then they will never make it on to the market as the drug companies will not make a profit.........
I think that this applies across the board from pain killers to potential cancer cures!! :( :( :(
if you could see the prices of those drugs sold on overseas with abnormal greedy profits, I'm sure you would doubt their cost effectiveness.. :-/
I agree with you there Cem, drugs arn't necessarily cost effective to the end user due to the high prices. Take ibuprofen for example, if you buy a branded product its very expensive, however you can buy cheaper brands in places like Aldi at a fraction of the price :y
My earlier point however, was that if a new drug is discovered say to cure the common cold, but the R&D costs are so high that the drug companies cannot make a profit they won't bother!! >:(
I'm certain that there are remedies out there for all sorts of stuff from cancer to malaria, but because they cannot be mass produced profitably, people continue to die from these diseases! :'( :(
The economics of the pharmaceutical industry are horrendous, but it's not actually the R&D that is the limiting factor, unless you want to include in that the costs of bringing a developed drug to market. Every drug has to be tested in every country where it is to be marketed, and these tests usually take from 3 to 5 years to complete. Then there is the licensing process to go through, and then there are national approval organisations, such as NICE in the UK, which decide whether or not the costs of using the drug are appropriate. There are some treatments for which the drug costs alone are in excess of £40k a year, and the NHS cannot afford to use them.
The cost of drugs is determined by what they can be sold for in the free markets, which means the USA. Medical costs in that country are out of control, because the insurance companies pay without question. They don't actually insure without question, so it's only the well-off who can actually afford the sort of insurance which will actually pay out for the expensive treatments.
our SGK (same NHS) became bankrupt as some doctors, drug firms and people forced the system to the limit.. >:( >:( >:( >:(
so govt start a big fight with pharmacies and medicine firms.. and holds the briddle maximum tight so that cancer patients cant find some drugs and my family cant take the drugs at the necessary day sometimes >:( >:( >:( why because the firms dont accept the newly adopted prices and keeps them in their ****** stock.. >:( >:( >:(