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Title: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Markie on 14 April 2007, 21:17:28
About 4 months ago i asked for some advice on here about a new tv for the bedroom.

Took the top advice and have since had a stunning 37" lcd in there.

Now we have decided the 36" ( or so) crt in the living room is too too small.

So techies of the forum ( for i know nothng on the subject)...

Any recommendations for a super huge lcd for my living room?

40" plus and willing to spend £1000 - 1500 or so.....

Any thoughts on either of these

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=11771&ff=&ffi=#Scene_1

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=12670

 :y
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:22:27
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About 4 months ago i asked for some advice on here about a new tv for the bedroom.

Took the top advice and have since had a stunning 37" lcd in there.

Now we have decided the 36" ( or so) crt in the living room is too too small.

So techies of the forum ( for i know nothng on the subject)...

Any recommendations for a super huge lcd for my living room?

40" plus and willing to spend £1000 - 1500 or so.....

Any thoughts on either of these

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=11771&ff=&ffi=#Scene_1

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=12670

 :y
As long as its not Sony junk ;)
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Markie on 14 April 2007, 21:24:28
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About 4 months ago i asked for some advice on here about a new tv for the bedroom.

Took the top advice and have since had a stunning 37" lcd in there.

Now we have decided the 36" ( or so) crt in the living room is too too small.

So techies of the forum ( for i know nothng on the subject)...

Any recommendations for a super huge lcd for my living room?

40" plus and willing to spend £1000 - 1500 or so.....

Any thoughts on either of these

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=11771&ff=&ffi=#Scene_1

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=12670

 :y
As long as its not Sony junk ;)

i KNEW you were gonna say that  ;D

 Im flexi on any manufacturer to be honest but do have a soft spot for LG and Samsung
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Admin on 14 April 2007, 21:25:25
This will be one to interest both Martin and Marks DTM I suspect... :)
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: tunnie on 14 April 2007, 21:26:26
Markie, my advice is don't go bigger unless you have SkyHD....

My friend has a 42" Pioneer LCD, sexy TV!

However normal TV looks shocking bad on it! Very pixelated, very poor resolution for normal TV viewing..... (he is on normal Sky)
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Baron Von Spongebob on 14 April 2007, 21:26:48
http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=SHAR-LC42XD1E

http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=SHAR-LC46X41E
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:28:32
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Markie, my advice is don't go bigger unless you have SkyHD....

My friend has a 42" Pioneer LCD, sexy TV!

However normal TV looks shocking bad on it! Very pixelated, very poor resolution for normal TV viewing..... (he is on normal Sky)
Its not the size, its how good it is at upscaling...
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:28:57
I have seen Sony KDL46W2000 for around 1900 - and if I get the money it would be my next TV
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: tunnie on 14 April 2007, 21:29:38
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Markie, my advice is don't go bigger unless you have SkyHD....

My friend has a 42" Pioneer LCD, sexy TV!

However normal TV looks shocking bad on it! Very pixelated, very poor resolution for normal TV viewing..... (he is on normal Sky)
Its not the size, its how good it is at upscaling...

I stand corrected  :y Well avoid Pioneer then. Because I was apauled at the TV qauility....
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:32:02
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Markie, my advice is don't go bigger unless you have SkyHD....

My friend has a 42" Pioneer LCD, sexy TV!

However normal TV looks shocking bad on it! Very pixelated, very poor resolution for normal TV viewing..... (he is on normal Sky)

Pioneer do Plasmas - one of the few decent ones as well - I don't normally like them and the only reason I'm put off the Pioneer plasma is power consumption and screen burn risk!
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:32:18
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I have seen Sony KDL46W2000 for around 1900 - and if I get the money it would be my next TV
I can get Sony stuff at a competitive price through a contact. Trouble is, I refuse to let those lying, useless, swindling scumbags at Sony UK have any more of my money.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:32:39
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Markie, my advice is don't go bigger unless you have SkyHD....

My friend has a 42" Pioneer LCD, sexy TV!

However normal TV looks shocking bad on it! Very pixelated, very poor resolution for normal TV viewing..... (he is on normal Sky)
Its not the size, its how good it is at upscaling...

I stand corrected  :y Well avoid Pioneer then. Because I was apauled at the TV qauility....

Not it isn't it is how it was set up
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:35:51
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I have seen Sony KDL46W2000 for around 1900 - and if I get the money it would be my next TV
I can get Sony stuff at a competitive price through a contact. Trouble is, I refuse to let those lying, useless, swindling scumbags at Sony UK have any more of my money.

How much for that TV then?
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: tunnie on 14 April 2007, 21:36:14
He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Markie on 14 April 2007, 21:36:50
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I have seen Sony KDL46W2000 for around 1900 - and if I get the money it would be my next TV


here its here a bit cheaper - whats so special about that one then ?

http://www.electrosaver.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=LCD%20TV&Product=Television&productid=KDL46W2000U

Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:38:05
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:39:20
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I have seen Sony KDL46W2000 for around 1900 - and if I get the money it would be my next TV


here its here a bit cheaper - whats so special about that one then ?

http://www.electrosaver.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=LCD%20TV&Product=Television&productid=KDL46W2000U


1) 46"
2) 1080P
3) True 1080 line resolution so will work well with HD disc players
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:40:22
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Markie on 14 April 2007, 21:42:10
oh dear i've started this sony war again  :P any one for an oil thread  ;D
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Markie on 14 April 2007, 21:43:34
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http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=SHAR-LC42XD1E

http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=SHAR-LC46X41E

there both nice - never had any experience of sharp though - has any one else?
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:43:41
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 14 April 2007, 21:46:41
For off air viewing Philips have the edge at the moment....their picture engine is best in the buisness and this realy shows on digital tv i.e. the stuff you view most of the time.....a nice 42 inch would be highlty recommended....they use LG displays to....
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:49:08
I have seen some they are quite good!
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:49:13
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: tunnie on 14 April 2007, 21:51:26
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...

Sony TV here is about 8 years old, fantasic picture... still going strong. Been on standby for 8 years too!  ::)
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:51:40
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...

Perhaps because 50Hz TVs are driven less hard they last longer!!!!
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:52:33
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...

Sony TV here is about 8 years old, fantasic picture... still going strong. Been on standby for 8 years too!  ::)

WHich model?
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: tunnie on 14 April 2007, 21:55:15
not sure would have to check, its not even widescreen its that old ( i prefer it to widescreens )
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:56:14
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not sure would have to check, its not even widescreen its that old ( i prefer it to widescreens )
Sony non widescreens were built in an era when Sony still believed in quality.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 21:57:14
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not sure would have to check, its not even widescreen its that old ( i prefer it to widescreens )
Sony non widescreens were built in an era when Sony still believed in quality.

So were the first few Wegas :y
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 21:58:07
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...

Perhaps because 50Hz TVs are driven less hard they last longer!!!!
Actually, due to different characteristics of phosphur used on 50Hz screens, it is more prone to phosphur damage.  As to softening of the tube, they degrade equally...
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 22:05:52
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He had a Samsung there previously which I saw, which was very nice... he dropped that.  ::)

So replaced it with a Pioneer, which i belive was set up right. It was fine for most things, but anything with a white background showed how poor its upscaling was.

You still get the best image on CRT's .....

50Hz CRTs, mine is still good even though it is 7 1/2 years old - I have used DVE to prove it.
Yours is not good. Unless it is never on.

100Hz is very good, just not Sony's implementation. Wega 50Hz has too much flicker to be any good.

ALl 100Hz TVs to me look a bit plasticky - anyway as  I told you before crank down the brightness and they last a LOT longer.
Turn down the brightness/contrast, the tube should last about 5 yrs.  With the Sony default setting, about 2 - 3 yrs is your lot...

Perhaps because 50Hz TVs are driven less hard they last longer!!!!
Actually, due to different characteristics of phosphur used on 50Hz screens, it is more prone to phosphur damage.  As to softening of the tube, they degrade equally...

I wonder then why mine is still so good? You can still tell if it is a 540 or 720 pixel wide channel.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 22:09:01
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I wonder then why mine is still so good?
Either its not, or you use less than 2hrs per day.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 22:10:53
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I wonder then why mine is still so good?
Either its not, or you use less than 2hrs per day.

It is used a lot - I know you don't believe it but my old heavily used TV still has a good picture - and I am critical of TV pictures.
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Post by: TheBoy on 14 April 2007, 22:13:25
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I wonder then why mine is still so good?
Either its not, or you use less than 2hrs per day.

It is used a lot - I know you don't believe it but my old heavily used TV still has a good picture - and I am critical of TV pictures.
You're right, I don't ;)

I'm a qualified TV repair tech.
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Martin_1962 on 14 April 2007, 22:37:49
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I wonder then why mine is still so good?
Either its not, or you use less than 2hrs per day.

It is used a lot - I know you don't believe it but my old heavily used TV still has a good picture - and I am critical of TV pictures.
You're right, I don't ;)

I'm a qualified TV repair tech.


And I am an AV nut who spent ages setting his TV up and can tell the difference between different video formats, and can spot a cheapo Scart lead by A_B testing it. (crosstalk and noise)
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 14 April 2007, 22:50:58
To add my 2 p worth

My Sony 32" 100hz Wega.....was looking a tad tired on the picture quality.....but then it is years old....probably getting on for 10 years old now...

But after Martins advice i visited an avforum and followed some tweaks i found on the forum.

Result was 3 tweaks later.....the picture quality has definately improved....in fact i reckon its as good now as it was when it was new  :)

So im not rushing out to but a new TV now  :y
Title: Re: I Need ANOTHER new TV !
Post by: TheBoy on 15 April 2007, 10:03:07
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To add my 2 p worth

My Sony 32" 100hz Wega.....was looking a tad tired on the picture quality.....but then it is years old....probably getting on for 10 years old now...

But after Martins advice i visited an avforum and followed some tweaks i found on the forum.

Result was 3 tweaks later.....the picture quality has definately improved....in fact i reckon its as good now as it was when it was new  :)

So im not rushing out to but a new TV now  :y
10yr old is just inside the 'decent' era :y

Shortly after, they began to cut corners (understatement of the year).  The PSUs were not powerful enough, so no matter what adjustments you make, you cannot get geometry right. It simply varies depending on what is being shown on the screen.  The focus issues on my 4 FQ sets are not the ones that caqn be dialled out, it seems to be an alignment issue.  The scrolling issues are down to some feedback issue, possibly from the 100Hz clock, but mixed in with interference from at least one of the tuners (unplug the aerial, and it improves).  The left hand speaker hiss, again on all 4, I suspect down to local interference.