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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
Yes it was a nightmare and I never want to live through that again!! ::) ::) ::)
Thank God Maggie cam e along in 79 and gave this country back its pride! 8-) 8-) ;)
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
No one wants a hung Parliament and especially a Lib-Lab pact. However, what will be will be. If there is a hung government, however, I would place the blame squarely at the feet of Cameron. He should have romped home and he has frankly been woeful.
Still, there's always an upside. A hung parliament will prompt the the parties (certainly in the case of Lab/Con) to re-examine their leaders and their policies. Mind you, if Labour throw out Brown in favour of Mili***, or Harman, it will be a worse Party than it is now. On the Tory side, the "heir to Blair" mantle needs to be shed and a real Tory needs to take over.
At the end of the day, I sincerely hope that, whatever the result, the Westminster elite go away from this election in the sure knowledge that they are our servants, not our masters. :y
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
Ah yes, the Socialist twins. No wonder he'd like that arrangement. ;) ::) ::)
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For anyone thinking of voting Socialist:
"The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!
Against all this frenzy of agitation there is but one weapon available: reason. Just common sense is needed to prevent man from falling prey to illusory fantasies and empty catchwords."
From "Bureaucracy" by Ludwig von Mises (1944)
H/T Carpe Diem, http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/05/quote-of-daycentury.html
;)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o Heaven help us!! :o :o :'( :'(
Oh well the truth will be know in about 40 hours time approx! :D :D ;)
That is to allow for a lot of recounts that I envisage with some very close results coming through! ::) ::)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o Heaven help us!! :o :o :'( :'(
Oh well the truth will be know in about 40 hours time approx! :D :D ;)
That is to allow for a lot of recounts that I envisage with some very close results coming through! ::) ::)
And many, many, allegations of fraud. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the election outcome will not be known tomorrow... :o
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
Yes it was a nightmare and I never want to live through that again!! ::) ::) ::)
Thank God Maggie cam e along in 79 and gave this country back its pride! 8-) 8-) ;)
Amen to that, Sister!!!!! :y
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
No one wants a hung Parliament and especially a Lib-Lab pact. However, what will be will be. If there is a hung government, however, I would place the blame squarely at the feet of Cameron. He should have romped home and he has frankly been woeful.
Still, there's always an upside. A hung parliament will prompt the the parties (certainly in the case of Lab/Con) to re-examine their leaders and their policies. Mind you, if Labour throw out Brown in favour of Mili***, or Harman, it will be a worse Party than it is now. On the Tory side, the "heir to Blair" mantle needs to be shed and a real Tory needs to take over.
At the end of the day, I sincerely hope that, whatever the result, the Westminster elite go away from this election in the sure knowledge that they are our servants, not our masters. :y
We can all hope, but it'll not happen - not ever!
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o Heaven help us!! :o :o :'( :'(
Oh well the truth will be know in about 40 hours time approx! :D :D ;)
That is to allow for a lot of recounts that I envisage with some very close results coming through! ::) ::)
And many, many, allegations of fraud. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the election outcome will not be known tomorrow... :o
That is not usually possible anyway Nick. Even at 0500 hours Friday morning often the Election results I have watched in the past do not entirely give an absolute answer on the outcome ;) ;)
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
No one wants a hung Parliament and especially a Lib-Lab pact. However, what will be will be. If there is a hung government, however, I would place the blame squarely at the feet of Cameron. He should have romped home and he has frankly been woeful.
Still, there's always an upside. A hung parliament will prompt the the parties (certainly in the case of Lab/Con) to re-examine their leaders and their policies. Mind you, if Labour throw out Brown in favour of Mili***, or Harman, it will be a worse Party than it is now. On the Tory side, the "heir to Blair" mantle needs to be shed and a real Tory needs to take over.
At the end of the day, I sincerely hope that, whatever the result, the Westminster elite go away from this election in the sure knowledge that they are our servants, not our masters. :y
We can all hope, but it'll not happen - not ever!
Indeed, only if the "Westminster system" died Guy would that take place, and that would follow a revolution!! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
Ah yes, the Socialist twins. No wonder he'd like that arrangement. ;) ::) ::)
i think its time you took Albs out for a walk Nickbat - he's getting yappy ;D
personally if its a choice between a Lib/Lab pact and a tory govt then its a no-brainer, judging by the polls most people in this country favour some form of centrist/left party - so what gives the tories any divine right in that case?
You really think we aren't capable of working this out - seems to work fine in Germany and no one would accuse Israel of indecision - so why all the scaremongering?
Keep calm and carry on in my book :y
Happy voting - and if you don't vote, then shame on you ;)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
Ah yes, the Socialist twins. No wonder he'd like that arrangement. ;) ::) ::)
i think its time you took Albs out for a walk Nickbat - he's getting yappy ;D
personally if its a choice between a Lib/Lab pact and a tory govt then its a no-brainer, judging by the polls most people in this country favour some form of centrist/left party - so what gives the tories any divine right in that case?
You really think we aren't capable of working this out - seems to work fine in Germany and no one would accuse Israel of indecision - so why all the scaremongering?
Keep calm and carry on in my book :y
Happy voting - and if you don't vote, then shame on you ;)
If I choose not to vote, that is my democratic right! You have no right to tell me otherwise or cast shame on me.
Leave your high horse behind. :)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
Ah yes, the Socialist twins. No wonder he'd like that arrangement. ;) ::) ::)
i think its time you took Albs out for a walk Nickbat - he's getting yappy ;D
personally if its a choice between a Lib/Lab pact and a tory govt then its a no-brainer, judging by the polls most people in this country favour some form of centrist/left party - so what gives the tories any divine right in that case?
You really think we aren't capable of working this out - seems to work fine in Germany and no one would accuse Israel of indecision - so why all the scaremongering?
Keep calm and carry on in my book :y
Happy voting - and if you don't vote, then shame on you ;)
i hereby withdraw my snidey and uncalled for remark directed at albs - i get a bit too excited sometimes - apologies :y
may the best government get in ;)
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Actually Nick, I think I recall Banjax saying recently that the best result would be a Lib/Lab pact. ::) :o :o..........the mind really does boggle. ;)
Ah yes, the Socialist twins. No wonder he'd like that arrangement. ;) ::) ::)
i think its time you took Albs out for a walk Nickbat - he's getting yappy ;D
personally if its a choice between a Lib/Lab pact and a tory govt then its a no-brainer, judging by the polls most people in this country favour some form of centrist/left party - so what gives the tories any divine right in that case?
You really think we aren't capable of working this out - seems to work fine in Germany and no one would accuse Israel of indecision - so why all the scaremongering?
Keep calm and carry on in my book :y
Happy voting - and if you don't vote, then shame on you ;)
If I choose not to vote, that is my democratic right! You have no right to tell me otherwise or cast shame on me.
Leave your high horse behind. :)
some countries you wouldn't have a choice and i think its our democratic duty to vote - i won't go into the long torturous history of our hard won democracy, there is a thread from Nickbat that covers it splendidly - but not voting is a complete cop out in my humble, not on a high horse, opinion - no offence meant :( :o
normal service will be resumed on Friday :y
i think i'll shut the hell up 'til then ::)
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Banjax,
IMO, The option to abstain should be included on any ballot, abstention is a fundamental part of the political process, its a right that every MP has and one all citizens should have also.
Only when you include abstentions will we ever get a true and full picture of the political landscape of this nation and only then will political parties be moved to address that reality.
Forgive me, but I have better things to do than put a 'X' in a box..... especially when I know it will make NO difference.
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lets hope the tories finally get a majority... totally fed up with socialist lefties closing hospitals & destroying the country. I speak from an informed stance with 13 years in emergency medicine.. didn't think tree huggers drove scoobies ::)
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In the event of excessive alcohol consumption, one might find that a very safe way to induce vomiting would be to gaze at picture of Mandelson, Darling, Brown & Harman all smiling at you :y although in the event of an emergency it might be easier to get your hands on piccy of Blair ;)
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I speak from an informed stance with 13 years in emergency medicine..
Hi buddy,
Good to see some fellow medics on here, god knows we appreciate the job you do :y
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lets hope the tories finally get a majority... totally fed up with socialist lefties closing hospitals & destroying the country. I speak from an informed stance with 13 years in emergency medicine.. didn't think tree huggers drove scoobies ::)
tree-hugger? me? I think you've been on the emergency meds yourself ;)
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lets hope the tories finally get a majority... totally fed up with socialist lefties closing hospitals & destroying the country. I speak from an informed stance with 13 years in emergency medicine.. didn't think tree huggers drove scoobies ::)
tree-hugger? me? I think you've been on the emergency meds yourself ;)
Nothing wrong in hugging trees - better than hugging a hoody :y ;D
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I know its the Mail, but here is a history of what happened last time. Its quite a long article but well worth the reading. The parallels with today are spooky.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272540/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-The-hung-Parliament--parallels-today.html
Yes it was a nightmare and I never want to live through that again!! ::) ::) ::)
Thank God Maggie cam e along in 79 and gave this country back its pride! 8-) 8-) ;)
....Lizzie.....the woman was a crazy wide -eyed loon.......booted out by her own party in 1990... if memory serves..... ;)
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I've just voted this morning......keeping Eton toff David Cameron out of Downing Street ....is my priority.... :y :y :y..... feel free to disagree... :y
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
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I've just voted this morning......keeping Eton toff David Cameron out of Downing Street ....is my priority.... :y :y :y..... feel free to disagree... :y
I second that emotion :y
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8&feature=fvw[/media]
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
...how many Tory MP's do you have in Scotland at present BJ.....Not many I think.. ::) ::) ::) ;)
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
...how many Tory MP's do you have in Scotland at present BJ.....Not many I think.. ::) ::) ::) ;)
I've heard talk of someone in the borders seeing a Scottish Tory MP once....but it was dark and he was drunk so details are sketchy....personally I don't believe they exist ;D ;D ;D
heres a link to this mythical entity: note - no photo :y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mundell
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
...how many Tory MP's do you have in Scotland at present BJ.....Not many I think.. ::) ::) ::) ;)
I've heard talk of someone in the borders seeing a Scottish Tory MP once....but it was dark and he was drunk so details are sketchy....personally I don't believe they exist ;D ;D ;D
heres a link to this mythical entity: note - no photo :y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mundell
about as common as "Nessie"..... it seems..... ;D ;D ;)
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
...how many Tory MP's do you have in Scotland at present BJ.....Not many I think.. ::) ::) ::) ;)
I've heard talk of someone in the borders seeing a Scottish Tory MP once....but it was dark and he was drunk so details are sketchy....personally I don't believe they exist ;D ;D ;D
heres a link to this mythical entity: note - no photo :y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mundell
Annabelle Goldie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabel_Goldie
I once saw ms Goldie at the check-out at asda in dumbarton holding a "meet the peasants" seminar - dont think anybody bothered to speak to her and if they did it was only a couple of words - yep, the second word was off ;D.
Ahhhhhh............poor wee lassie..............Not ;D
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Why do any of you care?..Why even post this?..WHY???
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Nothing wrong in hugging trees - better than hugging a hoody :y ;D
I'm guessing you have never been a Mod, Rocker, Teddy Boy, Skinhead, Punk, Goth, Emo, Whatever was cool in your day, etc - hence you are Peter Perfect ;)
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I've just voted this morning......keeping Eton toff David Cameron out of Downing Street ....is my priority.... :y :y :y..... feel free to disagree... :y
I second that emotion :y
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8&feature=fvw[/media]
As opposed to the westminster school toff (louise theroux was his fag ffs) whose family are richer than Camerons.He claimed in a speech last week that he was the only party leader from the north, dont remember Chalfont st. Giles being transported 100 miles up the road :-/ ;D ;D ;D
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I've just voted this morning......keeping Eton toff David Cameron out of Downing Street ....is my priority.... :y :y :y..... feel free to disagree... :y
I second that emotion :y
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8&feature=fvw[/media]
As opposed to the westminster school toff (louise theroux was his fag ffs) whose family are richer than Camerons.He claimed in a speech last week that he was the only party leader from the north, dont remember Chalfont st. Giles being transported 100 miles up the road :-/ ;D ;D ;D
lets not make class an issue ::)
p.s. isnt GB from further north than any of them? :o
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Yep. :y.........and the only good thing which seems almost certain is that from tomorrow he will be a former politician. :) :)
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i know i said i'd shut up......but would the Mail, I wonder, be so fearful of a hung parliament if Labour were looking like having a slim majority? ::)
or is it that despite all the failings of Labour, despite the economic disaster, despite the unrest, despite the disastrous immigration policies, despite the screw-ups, despite the Iraq war fiasco, despite the deeply unpopular war in Afghanistan despite all that and more.....ask yourself why David Cameron has spectacularly failed to capitilise on it.......my feeling is that theres too many in this country who still burn with deep resentment towards the tories.
Cameron should be 20 points clear and cruising - instead it looks like a dogfight to the last :o
.....Agreed BJ....some of us are old enough to remember the Tory administration of 1979-97.....the main priority of ANY Tory government is to look after the wealthy first......at the expense of peasants such as you and I.....after all... you only have to look which party implemented the minimum wage......and the NHS in 1948?..... ;) ;) ;)
now imagine Scotland returns no Tories - which is highly likely, and you have a Tory majority in westminster which doesn't need us for power - thats when madness like the poll tax comes from "try it out in scotland first - they dont vote for us anyway" :o
please, let there be a hung parliament. we'll never recover under the tories :(
...how many Tory MP's do you have in Scotland at present BJ.....Not many I think.. ::) ::) ::) ;)
I've heard talk of someone in the borders seeing a Scottish Tory MP once....but it was dark and he was drunk so details are sketchy....personally I don't believe they exist ;D ;D ;D
heres a link to this mythical entity: note - no photo :y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mundell
about as common as "Nessie"..... it seems..... ;D ;D ;)
at least there's photographic evidence for Nessie ;D
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Whatever we wanted, a 'hung Parliament' is exactly what we have got! :'( :'(
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Whatever we wanted, a 'hung Parliament' is exactly what we have got! :'( :'(
we'll have to have another election in 6 months time after the Tories or Lib/Lab find it impossible to get anything through in a minority government :o
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BJ sorry for the tree hugger remark, wrongly assumed you were being anti-establishment/anti-authoritarian... like they say "shouldn't judge a book by its cover" and your pic reminded me of a young fidel castro ;D conjured up images of all sorts of socialist/communist phobias.. Anyway a Westminster Con/Lib majority agreement will prevail putting Lab firmly in the dog house, thus avoiding a second parliamentary election. Mr Brown will be forgotten as quickly Mr Blair but not in Fife of course where the hero worship may continue for a little while due to confusion ;)
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BJ sorry for the tree hugger remark, wrongly assumed you were being anti-establishment/anti-authoritarian... like they say "shouldn't judge a book by its cover" and your pic reminded me of a young fidel castro ;D conjured up images of all sorts of socialist/communist phobias.. Anyway a Westminster Con/Lib majority agreement will prevail putting Lab firmly in the dog house, thus avoiding a second parliamentary election. Mr Brown will be forgotten as quickly Mr Blair but not in Fife of course where the hero worship may continue for a little while due to confusion ;)
Then again, book covers have been known to reveal the true innards.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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BJ sorry for the tree hugger remark, wrongly assumed you were being anti-establishment/anti-authoritarian... like they say "shouldn't judge a book by its cover" and your pic reminded me of a young fidel castro ;D conjured up images of all sorts of socialist/communist phobias.. Anyway a Westminster Con/Lib majority agreement will prevail putting Lab firmly in the dog house, thus avoiding a second parliamentary election. Mr Brown will be forgotten as quickly Mr Blair but not in Fife of course where the hero worship may continue for a little while due to confusion ;)
no worries......if you look at the pic closely it's David Cameron "being" Che Guevara - the popular marxist revolutionary, the idea of the tories using this image to make Dave look cool I found funny and immediately grabbed the image for myself!!
A lot of people on here accuse you of being a communist if you dare to suggest that maybe people of other cultures races and creeds would enhance our country (New York is easily the best city on the planet precisely because of its diversity) also being slightly critical of the banks or suggesting that the climate change scientists actually may have a point gets you branded as a raving loon ;D
its why i love the oof :y
as for Brown, as I said months ago - labour will increase their vote in Scotland at the general election - never underestimate how hated the tories are north of the border (no matter how bad brown is/was hes still a better option than cameron for most of us) - fortunately for them, they rarely need our votes :o
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BJ sorry for the tree hugger remark, wrongly assumed you were being anti-establishment/anti-authoritarian... like they say "shouldn't judge a book by its cover" and your pic reminded me of a young fidel castro ;D conjured up images of all sorts of socialist/communist phobias.. Anyway a Westminster Con/Lib majority agreement will prevail putting Lab firmly in the dog house, thus avoiding a second parliamentary election. Mr Brown will be forgotten as quickly Mr Blair but not in Fife of course where the hero worship may continue for a little while due to confusion ;)
Then again, book covers have been known to reveal the true innards.
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I'm shocked Nickbat :o :o :o
that statement implies you've read a book ;D ;D ;D :y
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BJ I'm not suggesting you're a communist but if you were that would be your choice Unlike the citizens of N'Korea or any other communist regime who of course have no Choice whatsoever ;) I just think that it would be peculiar to be fiercely Environmentalist & belong to a petrol head forum, unless of course it's a Toyota hybrid Synergy type thingy or vintage Lada type forum. Diversity is fantastic but we are Not like New York because Labour does all sorts of ethnic monitoring type analysis And then segregate housing projects accordingly. We are anything but diverse! Many UK Citizens identify much more so with their mother country than here. We have Community leaders and invisible borders within cities... walk down the wrong street In my Labour run council and you'd better hope you belong to the community which The council have created. Labour do not integrate, they segregate! New Yorkers are Proud to be NY'ers irrespective of ethnicity... Privatisation has gone bonkers Under Labour & I pay "Poll Tax" every month but there's a typo on the bill saying "Council Tax". It's really very simple... The Tories say stuff we don't like whilst Labour thinks were a bunch of delinquents that will fall for their rhetoric every time And it seems that they might have a point. I am culturally diverse and have a good Knowledge of Arabic (Iraqi) transliteration & translation, not too bad with French & Spanish either. The scientists are right about the environment and driving a nice Omega Won’t make any difference. China's uncontrolled rapid industrialisation can destroy the planet All on its own. Marxism, socialism & communism are all about power hungry Dictators, revolutionaries call them what you like. Their not about the people That’s for sure. Scottish dislike of Tories is antiquated and historical and largely Fuelled by left wing propaganda and that’s all. Where are the Unions & Miners? What Exactly do Labour stand for now? Maybe ID cards & CCTV and of course dismissing workers for displaying a little cross on a necklace in a Christian country. If you want to Save the rain forest then don't buy chocolate, it’s full of palm oil. If you’re really Hot on recycling then just remember where Labour ship it off too, and of course all the young Chinese kids dying from the toxicity… rant over... just can't hack Marxist, communist Idolatry from westerners. Not saying thats you though :) I'm an HM Forces Veteran and have seen a fair bit of the world we live in ;)
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24-Valve: Good Rant ;D
I'm a socialist, not a communist, and a libertarian, and a free marketeer on some issues - i'm a diverse mix of lots of things - like most people ;)
No political ideology is perfect and extremes are always the least perfect - so I muddle along the middle just left of centre for the most part :y
Climate change exists, and its our fault and something needs to be done - I agree with the science, but I don't think we (humans) are capable of doing anything about it, sadly. And I'm probably the worst example as I don't really give a monkeys about the environment - I should, but there you go :o
I don't have time to go through all your good points but 2 quickies - the tories were architects of their own destruction in Scotland, most working class voted overwhelmingly tory up until the mid 50's (they secured 51% of the vote in '55 - a record never seen since) but they threw all that away culminating in the disastrous Thatcher years, where the working class were relentlessly attacked - now the tories are an irrelevance up here :o
and on ID cards - myself and my wife both talked seriously about this a few years ago and both agreed we'd go to prison rather than carry ID cards because it's an absolute betrayal of trust, of living and working in a free society, of being innocent until proven guilty and it would be yet another loss of freedom that this government have been chipping away at under the guise of "anti-terrorism" we all have to be very very watchful when hard fought libertiess start slipping away :o