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It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.
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Even if GB stands down, it still makes more sense for the Lib Dems to work with the Conservatives than Labour. Regardless of a change at the top unless you skim the entire headshed of Labour people will not persist in support for their policies.
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Even if GB stands down, it still makes more sense for the Lib Dems to work with the Conservatives than Labour. Regardless of a change at the top unless you skim the entire headshed of Labour people will not persist in support for their policies.
Not to Lib Dems, as most of their polices do not align with Tory. LibD's party will be split right down the middle, and come next election will be wiped out
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Even if GB stands down, it still makes more sense for the Lib Dems to work with the Conservatives than Labour. Regardless of a change at the top unless you skim the entire headshed of Labour people will not persist in support for their policies.
Gordon has gone now for a reason.
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He has done it purely as a spoiler.If I cant captain the team I will wreck the game. He has obviously been told he must go , so he has done this to wreck the deal which was just about done.
The ramiifications for the economy dont bear thinking about. The markets had a sharp rise today on the back of the EU bailout and would have continued to climb in coming days with a Lib/con coalition with stability as its main focus.
The pound has already dropped 1 cent against the dollar since his statement, he may well have just destroyed the fragile recovery which he claims to be the one thing he cares about, but in reality the only thing he cares about is either getting his own way or making trouble for those who went let him get it.
A truely hateful character. >:( >:( >:(
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I think Tunnie has a point. Although the Libdem members would very much prefer to go with Labour, Clegg must surely bear in mind that thie Labour/scotnat/plyd/DUP option will probably be a disaster for the country and he will be the man who gets blamed by the electorate.
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Even if GB stands down, it still makes more sense for the Lib Dems to work with the Conservatives than Labour. Regardless of a change at the top unless you skim the entire headshed of Labour people will not persist in support for their policies.
Gordon has gone now for a reason.
Well, actually, he hasn't gone now. He's going to linger like a bad smell. I wish someone would shoot the bastard.
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Trying to hang on by half a finger nail, the man has no dignity,no grip on reality, completely deluded - time for the men in white coats to bring the straitjacket
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I think Tunnie has a point. Although the Libdem members would very much prefer to go with Labour, Clegg must surely bear in mind that thie Labour/scotnat/plyd/DUP option will probably be a disaster for the country and he will be the man who gets blamed by the electorate.
The Lib Dems probably don't give a fig about the recovery or any short-term ramifications of party splits or working in a loser's coalition because until PR is on the statutes they haven't a hope of getting elected - ever.
This is their once-in-a-generation chance to be of any significance in UK politics.
Meanwhile, the country gets that useless, unelected muppet at the helm for another 6 months or more after which time another useless, unelected muppet will be foisted upon us. Talk about the worst case scenario.
I do hope I'm wrong and he's just done this out of spite to create waves in the media.
Kevin
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After reading another thread, I'm sorry I stated this now.
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So possibly another PM nobody voted for?
I know its a Parliamentary democracy, we don't vote for the PM, but in practice many probably do. And what of the televised debates? We expected either Cameron or Brown to be the head, now we could end up with someone else altogether? I do not find this acceptable, i think if there is a change of PM during a term, there has to be an election within say 6 months.
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I agree. This is a total stitch up whichever way you look at it. We had an X- factor election between Brown/Cameron/Clegg. Cameron won the election but didnt win a majority. He should be given the oppurtunity to form a minority govt.
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To be honest, this has almost certainly been timed to interrupt and potential destroy the Conservative/Liberal talks. Brown has probably been planning to stand down for some time, and felt it would be okay to deceive the public. I sincerly hope the general public do not tolerate a Labour/Lib coalition as a result of this.
Why didn't Brown stand down before the election campaign, or as he should have done, Friday morning.
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Exactly, if he had decency, dignity and cared anything about this country he would have made a similar speech the morning after the election. "I lost the election, I will stand down as PM as soon as a govt, is formed and as party leader when the party chooses a new leader".
Self serving doesnt begin to describe him. >:( >:(
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It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.
It does for me also!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Revolution anyone? >:( >:( >:( >:(
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If a Lib/Lab cobbled up govt. is formed I hope there is mass protest. I would actually be willing to get off my backside for that.
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Trying to hang on by half a finger nail, the man has no dignity,no grip on reality, completely deluded - time for the men in white coats to bring the straitjacket
No parallax. Looking in the mirror, he can't tell the diiference between a statesman and cardboard cutout. I won't believe he's going until he's gone. :(
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To be honest, this has almost certainly been timed to interrupt and potential destroy the Conservative/Liberal talks. Brown has probably been planning to stand down for some time, and felt it would be okay to deceive the public. I sincerly hope the general public do not tolerate a Labour/Lib coalition as a result of this.
Why didn't Brown stand down before the election campaign, or as he should have done, Friday morning.
Don't think so. This is eBay politics. Clegg has turned to another bidder to see what they'll offer to get him into bed. He said "Ditch Brown, and make me an offer that beats what old Dave bid", so Mandy did that and now we might end up with Balls. :(
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Well, what a shambles. :o :o
Brown is an odious individual who should never have been allowed to run a sweet shop, let alone a government. >:(
As leader of the Limp Dems, Clegg is a nobody. Actually, I think he's a dangerous nobody. However, he is also an opportunist, but one who, in his rush to get something that he doesn't deserve (power) will seal his own party's long-term destruction. >:(
Then we come to "Cast Iron" Dave. As leader of the Conservatives, he should have walked into No 10 on Thursday night but he didn't because he is, quite simply, useless. His greatest mistake, bar none, was to give a cast-iron guarantee of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Now, whatever the circumstances of Labour signing the treaty, he should have kept his word on the referendum. But he didn't. He weasled his way out of it. Even the Limp Dems were considering a referendum on the EU (though it's probably ditched as a plan by now). He has no appeal whatsoever to traditional Tories and has spent too much time listening to his own hand-picked focus groups. Frankly, the Conservatives need to get shot of him before the next election. >:(
It wasn't a case of Labour losing the election, it was more a case of Cameron throwing away victory. He had an open goal and missed...which doesn't say much for his political acumen.
I don't support PR or, at least I've never supported it in the past. However, that was when we had clearly defined Parties with defined manifestos. Now, all we get is three parties that argue about mundane issues like bus passes yet carefully avoid the elephants in the room (EU, debt, immigration and so on) about which many people are concerned. Although I am still very doubtful of PR, unless the three parties actually become different to one another and unless they actually start to address the real issue, the thought of having some minor parties around which are prepared to discuss the real issues becomes a little attractive.
Of course, there are those who say the the first-past-the-post system does not allow stable government. Well, we haven't got one now! And, unless the parties change their ways, the sort of result we have just witnessed will be commonplace, I fear.
I do not want PR, per se, but I do want choice...not just more of the same.
Rant over. >:( >:(
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It's good to see Lord Peter's plan coming together so well 8-) 8-) :-* :y
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Labour were telling anyone who would listen yesterday that they wanted to extend democracy,give more power to the people, make politicians more accountable to the people.
Tonight they are saying that they will push voting reform legislation through the commons, which is presumably a bigger cherry for the Libdems than the Tory promise of a referendum on the matter.
They are at the minute in negotiations with the Libdems and the negotiations are being led by Mandelson - unelected and unaccountable to everyone but himself.
Its the politics of a central African banana republic not the mother of all democracies.
They are demeaning everything this country was once admired for. We must be a laughing stock around the world. >:( >:( >:(
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It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.
It does for me also!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Revolution anyone? >:( >:( >:( >:(
Trouble is Lizzie, whilst we all talk about a revolution, I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way and fight to the end to get the government to listen.
Yet it seems in other Euro countries when 'the people' start to shout, the government start to listen otherwise they know they could be out of a job.
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It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.
It does for me also!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Revolution anyone? >:( >:( >:( >:(
Trouble is Lizzie, whilst we all talk about a revolution, I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way and fight to the end to get the government to listen.
Yet it seems in other Euro countries when 'the people' start to shout, the government start to listen otherwise they know they could be out of a job.
I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way
I tend to agree S, the idea of an organised and necessarily widespread display of civil disobedience would fail to gain traction in my view.
Having many years experience working in an environment where such tactics were deployed as a matter of course, I can say that the notion that such a state would develop here fills me with dread.
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It's good to see Lord Peter's plan coming together so well 8-) 8-) :-* :y
And he is a corrupt little slimey git...
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After reading another thread, I'm sorry I stated this now.
And so you should be ::) ::) ::) Mind, it does not matter to me, I don't read the political threads, it is just that I did not expect a serious comment from yourself..... :D :D :D
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I dont understand,even at my ripe old age (skruntie take note!) why we must have Governments of different persuasions,Labour this way,Conservatives that way etc.
Why can we not have a Government of Locally elected Representatives and a Leader elected by the Members,No 'Parties'. Just get on with running the country for the good of all.
eddie
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Clegg is looking very sheepish tonight. He had carved himself an image of being clean cut, honest, a fresh new approach to politics etc.
On Friday he said that because the Tories got most votes and seats it was only right that he should try to form a govt. with them first if possible. It now transpirees that he had met Brown in secret during his negotiations with Cameron and Cameron didnt know about it, but it got leaked to the press.
He has been caught acting at least as underhand and two faced as all the old politicians he had criticised for doing similar things. ::)
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Clegg is looking very sheepish tonight. He had carved himself an image of being clean cut, honest, a fresh new approach to politics etc.....
Agreed. Whatever the outcome, if another election is needed to sort this mess out a few months down the line he'll wish he'd kept his tinder dry.
Kevin
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In relation to the previous post (by Kevin W) the term 'done up' and 'kipper' wouldn't be too far from the truth.
On the other hand if Labour are so desperate to hold onto power by any means - a fine example of democracy in glorious action and the desire to put the needs of the country over party - by allowing smaller groups to suckle at the depleted teats of their ravaged frame, then who are we to stand in their way?
Those smaller groups will require a greater share of the milk soon enough and as soon as things begin to sour it will only be too obvious how desirable strong majority government is.
We have been pushed into a hick European process, where no political force stands to be counted on their own merits, by a voting public befuddled by spin, celebrity, slick television presentation and the desire to press buttons rather than form opinion on their own.
What a bloody shambles.
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All this succeeds in proving, is that there is NOT one clean, wholesome , honest politition out there from ANY political party. Just a group of like-minded individuals who see opportunities for lining their own nests, and screwing the electorate.
I am so disallutioned with it all, and despair of a real end to this drivel of government based on their ability to PR themselves as a person, rather then what they can do for us as our publicly elected servants. Mr Mandelson seems to be the king of slime, pushing his back-door policies of self advancement and industrial suicide for all he touches! Gordon Brown is throwing his toys out of the pram, and mr Clegg will do anything with anybody that will advance him personally or his party, what happened to what is right for the people??
Will the last man out of the UK please close the door and put out the light????
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In relation to the previous post (by Kevin W) the term 'done up' and 'kipper' wouldn't be too far from the truth.
On the other hand if Labour are so desperate to hold onto power by any means - a fine example of democracy in glorious action and the desire to put the needs of the country over party - by allowing smaller groups to suckle at the depleted teats of their ravaged frame, then who are we to stand in their way?
Those smaller groups will require a greater share of the milk soon enough and as soon as things begin to sour it will only be too obvious how desirable strong majority government is.
We have been pushed into a hick European process, where no political force stands to be counted on their own merits, by a voting public befuddled by spin, celebrity, slick television presentation and the desire to press buttons rather than form opinion on their own.
What a bloody shambles.
YUK! ;D
Watch out for the next BIG soundbite. When the economic crisis hit, every labour politician was briefed to make sure they included the word 'Global', just in case we might think it had anything to do with Gordon.
The latest soundbite is 'For the good of the country' or something very similar. That one is in case we think that every politician is trying desperately to cling to power no matter what.
We don't think that, do we? ;D
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I dont understand,even at my ripe old age (skruntie take note!) why we must have Governments of different persuasions,Labour this way,Conservatives that way etc.
Why can we not have a Government of [size=14]Locally elected Representatives[/size] and a Leader elected by the Members,No 'Parties'. Just get on with running the country for the good of all.
eddie
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:) :) :)
if this would be the case, you will mess up all power equations .. and you would shockingly surprise some .. ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y :y :y
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people -tories mostly ;D_have been having a go at Clegg for not being "honest/honourable" because he had been "secretly" talking to Labour as well as them.FFS, they really didnt expect him just to talk to them did they?Time to grow up .Bottom line is that, whilst the Libdems are close to the thinking of the conservatives on some issues, they have more in common with Labour . The problems, of course, are that 1) the conservatives have more votes than Labour 2)Labour-whether Brown goes or not as leader-is seen as a failed party and one that the country has lost faith in and, perhaps more critically for Clegg, 3)there are a lot of Labour MPs coming out saying they do not want a Labour/Libdem alliance. Clegg is stuck between a rock and a hard place really.In reality he is not in any position of power to make/break the others.(bottom line is the consevatives have most votes).It depends very much on the compromises involved and the support he will get or not get from his own party but what he can do is to try and rise above purely party considerations, make some compromises and try and get us a stable(ish) coalition. Whether he will or not will be shortly seen.
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I agree with most of that, but remember what he saidFriday morning ? he was clear that as the Tories won most seats/votes they should have the right to try to form a govt. and therefore he would be speaking to them to try to establish a stable govt. before he would talk to anyone else.
Over the weekend he was caught red handed double crossing cameron. Brown was sneaking out the back door of Downing st. to have secret talks with him, and when it leaked out to the press he had the look of a teenager who had just been caught shoplifting.
For the record, I have never voted Tory in my life, but I hope I know the difference between right and wrong, and from where Im sitting there has been very little right and a whole lot of wrong in what has been going on since Thursday.
Brown should have resigned Friday Morning - he lost. Cameron should have been invited to the palace. He should then have informed the country that he intended to form a govt. and would offer the Libdems terms to join him in forming a majority govt. in order to provide stability for the good of the country.
This was prevented byBrown/Mnadelson/ Cameron etc. who are utterly self serving and believe that the only thing that matters is that htey keep power by any means. Clegg has been complicit in keeping this unseemly shambles going and imo he should be ashamed of himself for that.
Principles ? none of them would know a principle if it hit them over the head.
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I agree with most of that, but remember what he saidFriday morning ? he was clear that as the Tories won most seats/votes they should have the right to try to form a govt. and therefore he would be speaking to them to try to establish a stable govt. before he would talk to anyone else.
Over the weekend he was caught red handed double crossing cameron. Brown was sneaking out the back door of Downing st. to have secret talks with him, and when it leaked out to the press he had the look of a teenager who had just been caught shoplifting.
For the record, I have never voted Tory in my life, but I hope I know the difference between right and wrong, and from where Im sitting there has been very little right and a whole lot of wrong in what has been going on since Thursday.
Brown should have resigned Friday Morning - he lost. Cameron should have been invited to the palace. He should then have informed the country that he intended to form a govt. and would offer the Libdems terms to join him in forming a majority govt. in order to provide stability for the good of the country.
This was prevented byBrown/Mnadelson/ Cameron etc. who are utterly self serving and believe that the only thing that matters is that htey keep power by any means. Clegg has been complicit in keeping this unseemly shambles going and imo he should be ashamed of himself for that.
Principles ? none of them would know a principle if it hit them over the head.
..and that, Albs, is the heart of the problem. After all the expenses scandals, after living under an unelected PM (guided by an unelected and disgraced Lord), this current horse trading is pretty sickening to most.
Labor and LibDems are looking devious, while Cameron is looking weak.
Essentially, as you say, there's little or no honesty or principle among them all. >:( :(
As the saying goes: "They just don't get it, do they?"
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The best thing that could happen from the point of view of the Tory party (leaving aside what is good for the country) would be if the Lib/Lab rainbow Alliance managed to somehow form a govt.
It would be doomed to failure, it would tear itself apart and meantime the economy/pound/markets would go into freefall and the country would be on its knees.
There would have to be another election and the Tories would in all likliehood be able to finish of the Nu Liebore project and put the limpdems back in the little corner they just crawled out of.
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I agree with most of that, but remember what he saidFriday morning ? he was clear that as the Tories won most seats/votes they should have the right to try to form a govt. and therefore he would be speaking to them to try to establish a stable govt. before he would talk to anyone else.
Over the weekend he was caught red handed double crossing cameron. Brown was sneaking out the back door of Downing st. to have secret talks with him, and when it leaked out to the press he had the look of a teenager who had just been caught shoplifting.
For the record, I have never voted Tory in my life, but I hope I know the difference between right and wrong, and from where Im sitting there has been very little right and a whole lot of wrong in what has been going on since Thursday.
Brown should have resigned Friday Morning - he lost. Cameron should have been invited to the palace. He should then have informed the country that he intended to form a govt. and would offer the Libdems terms to join him in forming a majority govt. in order to provide stability for the good of the country.
This was prevented byBrown/Mnadelson/ Cameron etc. who are utterly self serving and believe that the only thing that matters is that htey keep power by any means. Clegg has been complicit in keeping this unseemly shambles going and imo he should be ashamed of himself for that.
Principles ? none of them would know a principle if it hit them over the head.
..and that, Albs, is the heart of the problem. After all the expenses scandals, after living under an unelected PM (guided by an unelected and disgraced Lord), this current horse trading is pretty sickening to most.
Labor and LibDems are looking devious, while Cameron is looking weak.
Essentially, as you say, there's little or no honesty or principle among them all. >:( :(
As the saying goes: "They just don't get it, do they?"
I have actually been heartened by the response of some Labour (as opposed to Nu Liebore) MP,s, they have been saying that trying to cling on at all costs despite losing is bad for the country and they need to accept the reality of going back to the opposition banches for a while.
I was listening to Kate Hoey saying this in an interview this morning and it came across as dignified and genuine, something which is increasingly rare in the Westminster village coccon thses days.
It would be ironic if the thing that stopped clegg,Mandelson and Cambell from stitching the country up, was the old gaurd of the Labour party.
Personally I believe that if Clegg does get into bed with New Labour, they will eat him alive, he isnt made of strong or devious enough stuff to play in their playground.
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I agree with most of that, but remember what he saidFriday morning ? he was clear that as the Tories won most seats/votes they should have the right to try to form a govt. and therefore he would be speaking to them to try to establish a stable govt. before he would talk to anyone else.
Over the weekend he was caught red handed double crossing cameron. Brown was sneaking out the back door of Downing st. to have secret talks with him, and when it leaked out to the press he had the look of a teenager who had just been caught shoplifting.
For the record, I have never voted Tory in my life, but I hope I know the difference between right and wrong, and from where Im sitting there has been very little right and a whole lot of wrong in what has been going on since Thursday.
Brown should have resigned Friday Morning - he lost. Cameron should have been invited to the palace. He should then have informed the country that he intended to form a govt. and would offer the Libdems terms to join him in forming a majority govt. in order to provide stability for the good of the country.
This was prevented byBrown/Mnadelson/ Cameron etc. who are utterly self serving and believe that the only thing that matters is that htey keep power by any means. Clegg has been complicit in keeping this unseemly shambles going and imo he should be ashamed of himself for that.
Principles ? none of them would know a principle if it hit them over the head.
..and that, Albs, is the heart of the problem. After all the expenses scandals, after living under an unelected PM (guided by an unelected and disgraced Lord), this current horse trading is pretty sickening to most.
Labor and LibDems are looking devious, while Cameron is looking weak.
Essentially, as you say, there's little or no honesty or principle among them all. >:( :(
As the saying goes: "They just don't get it, do they?"
GB is NOT an un-elected PM as he is the leader of the Labour party and as they were/are the government then he naturally becomes PM.
We do not elect our PM - if you want to then you have to change our constitution to a republic and elect a president (as they do in the states)........... no bad thing really as you would have to do away with the monarchy (vive la revolution).
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Technically correct, but the fact is that the election campaign centred around the TV debates between the three leaders and most people seem to vote for Brown or cameron rather than Labour or Tory.
The fact is that Labour and Libdems lost seats and votes in the election, the Tories won seats and votes. The Tories won the election but didnt win a majority. To be governed by a coalition of losers would be an affront to democracy and an insult to the voters imo.
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GB is NOT an un-elected PM as he is the leader of the Labour party and as they were/are the government then he naturally becomes PM.
We do not elect our PM - if you want to then you have to change our constitution to a republic and elect a president (as they do in the states)........... no bad thing really as you would have to do away with the monarchy (vive la revolution).
Er, hello, I know he was elected by the Labour Party, rather than the electorate, but the point is that he was not the PM when people voted Labour into power. I do not think it is right for a PM to be changed half-way through an administration, unless the existing incumbent is incapacitated. >:(
That was my point.
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agree with much of what you say Albs. On reflection, yes ,Clegg should have been more up front but on the otherhand, he DID speak to the conservatives first before beginning talks with Labour, just that he shouldve been open about what he was doing to both the country and the tories. I quite like Clegg but he is vastly inexperienced in comparison to the others (hardly a surprise given his age and lack of previous government positions!) , however, we all have to start somewhere I guess. Its so hard to make any real judgement based on the TV debates/manifestos/press reports isnt it? On the face of it both Clegg and Cameron seem less egotistical than Brown but are they? A critical factor in the economy is simple "confidence" and we need our so called leaders to demonstrate that they recognize this and will put the needs of the country before purely party politics. Only then can any coalition government work. To be honest, at the moment , I personally feel that a Cons/libdem alliance is the best of a bad lot in that-potentially-it would be a more stable option. I have never been a Tory as my leanings are more socialist but that is not to say that, having read all the manifestos, there are not some of their ideas and policies that I agree with. Its not ideal for anyone but they all have to look at the bigger picture and try and work together this time around. ....wont hold my breath though ::)
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BREAKING NEWS
Number 10 recognises that talks with the Lib Dems have not and will not reach any positive conclusion, and they are now discussing the method of declaring that their side of the negotiation is over, BBC Radio 5 Live's political correspondent Jon Pienaar says.
So Cleggy's day of fame infamy has come to an end. Will he now crawl back to Cameron?
Shambles, I tell you. Shambles. ::) ::) ::)
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Large holdalls are being loaded into two government cars at the back of Number 10, reports the BBC News channel's chief political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg.
About ruddy time. >:(
Kevin
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maybe Nickbat, but if you were in Clegg's shoes what would you do?Surely you'd have to talk to both sides in order to see what your own options were? As for the failure of Libdem/Labour talks ,cant say as its a surprise. So does Clegg now stick to purely party principles and not form an alliance with either or does he compromise and fall in with the Tories (if they'll still have him ;D). This would give the Libdems some sort of voice but it may also be more beneficial to the country than them all trying to go it alone... :-/
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maybe Nickbat, but if you were in Clegg's shoes what would you do?Surely you'd have to talk to both sides in order to see what your own options were? As for the failure of Libdem/Labour talks ,cant say as its a surprise. So does Clegg now stick to purely party principles and not form an alliance with either or does he compromise and fall in with the Tories (if they'll still have him ;D). This would give the Libdems some sort of voice but it may also be more beneficial to the country than them all trying to go it alone... :-/
There's that soundbite.
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Clegg will now be desperate to do a deal, but will the Tories leave everything on the table that was there yesterday ? ;)
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You all seem to be missing the point. Clegg is negotiating. He wanted a better deal from Cameron, so he went to Cameron's rival to see what he would say. Brown should have told him to run away and play with somebody else, but being Brown, he just offered a whole load of stuff he couldn't deliver. Instant result: Cameron's lot come back with a referendum offer. And Brown gets shafted by his own party.
Nick Clegg? Ace negotiator. Don't buy a used car off him...
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Clegg is looking very sheepish tonight. He had carved himself an image of being clean cut, honest, a fresh new approach to politics etc.
On Friday he said that because the Tories got most votes and seats it was only right that he should try to form a govt. with them first if possible. It now transpirees that he had met Brown in secret during his negotiations with Cameron and Cameron didnt know about it, but it got leaked to the press.
He has been caught acting at least as underhand and two faced as all the old politicians he had criticised for doing similar things. ::)
"He has been caught acting at least as underhand and two faced as all the old politicians he had criticised for doing similar things"
So..... No change there then, all we have are politicians doing the same thing as the other, but just waring a different colour.
Maybe we should have a Political party using the colour brown as their flag, they could then have as their motto "same old shi...., just a different day" ::)