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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Danny on 04 May 2010, 13:12:54
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the typical dash cam sort you point out of your windscreen so you can record everything going on, like what many people in the states use to keep insurance costs down. i've seen a few of these on ebay quite cheap, wondering if anyone could shed some light on these from personal experience?
JamesV6CDX had mentioned something a good while back about them and at the time I wasn't after one but with the amount of idiots on the road i'd love to get some on film!!
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It was quite a while since.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
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I tried something similar last year, cost me £300 and kept data on an SD card. Images quite poor through windscreen, no good when it is raining, in the dark, images at best "blobby" not good enough to read number plates, and my insurance company (Admiral) does not recognise them as any tangible help. Gets used on my motorcycle now to record a good bike road.
Lot of money for little useage in my opinion. The CCTV supplier I deal with at work can only supply a
hd quality one, but wants £420 for it. Don't think it is cost effective against insurance costs, but in reality can assertain blame in a "your word against mine" situation only.
Hope this helps.
Mike.
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seems like it'll be a while before they come down in price, the cheap ones on ebay i can imagine being even less than rubbish
maybe i should just get a dashmount for my phone!
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There's been another thread wirh a dash camera with SD and GPS helped catch a garage test driving a 6.0 VXR
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Tunnie recently started a thread about a camera he'd got off eBay to use on on his bike:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271711583
These are cheap enough to get one for the front and one for the back... and the video looks reasonable.
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Tunnie recently started a thread about a camera he'd got off eBay to use on on his bike:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271711583
These are cheap enough to get one for the front and one for the back... and the video looks reasonable.
Forgot about those, I got one, it arrived on Friday but i havent had a play with it yet.
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On the insurance issue, I know of many cyclists who during the fight for compensation toward damage to bikes et al have used camera footage to prove the driver was completely in the wrong. In one case the driver just cut right in front of the cyclist who was quite legally cycling down the road. Bike was a write-off and a few broken bones yet even though the written reports were damning they were trying to fight the cyclist's claim....until they saw the footage whereby they folded like a paper staircase ;)
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There are definately a lot of "pros" to the idea, just a lot of "cons" too...............
In theory it should be a brilliant idea, stops the "your word against mine" arguments stone dead, but.......
storage of images and photoshopping of images stops it being used as evidence in a court UNLESS it is time and date stamped on the images.
This makes the equipment prohibitavely expensive.
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lookin at tunnie's vid the quality looks amazing for its price!!
gonna have to order me one i think!
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On the insurance issue, I know of many cyclists who during the fight for compensation toward damage to bikes et al have used camera footage to prove the driver was completely in the wrong. In one case the driver just cut right in front of the cyclist who was quite legally cycling down the road. Bike was a write-off and a few broken bones yet even though the written reports were damning they were trying to fight the cyclist's claim....until they saw the footage whereby they folded like a paper staircase ;)
Good idea. But sadly a lot of cyclists dont act in a legal maner by pulling some of the stunts they do (Especially the red light dash)
I tend to give cyclists as much space as I can, and even more to some of the moronic motorists I have come accross over the years.
Having been knocked off my bike (Through no fault of my own - I was stationary at the time) as kid (and only being allowed on the road because I had passed my cycling proficiency test) I am well are how dangerous it is for cyclists. I am still of the opinion that cyclists and horse riders some have some entitlement on some sort to be on some of the classes of roads we have today.
I am not sure if there is any sort of legislation in place, but if not there should be. Obviously any one passing any part of a driving licence has been trained to understand the roads.
But kids of any age can jump on a bike and ride down the majority of the roads, and maybe to a degree is the same for horse riders. Insurance ought to be compulsary for all road users, anyone could end up in an accident, I once had a horse stampede over my Jag going into town one day, 10 year old girl was riding, something spooked it at a junction, the girl wasnt experienced enough to cope. She took it with out the owner knowing she was on roads with it. But she could have got seriously injured
Most bikers are responsible and experienced and understand the driving habits of people arround them as Gaffers does, it's that odd percentage, the push nike couriers, (Certain) teenagers that dont respect the road or people on it.
Gaffers, please dont take me the wrong way, I am actually on your side, but if we could repect and treat others as equals on the road then maybe there would not be any accidents, sadly there is, it's that that is not equal, as motorits, we have Tax. test, insurance and a licence to be there, a cyclist needs none of these.
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Tunnie recently started a thread about a camera he'd got off eBay to use on on his bike:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271711583
These are cheap enough to get one for the front and one for the back... and the video looks reasonable.
Yes, I bought one when I saw tunnies video. It is a smashing little bit of kit, but, if you get one, treat it gently & don't drop it like I did getting out of the car! It is now in the bin after using it for 2 days! >:(. Mind you, I suppose I can't complain, it didn't say it was muppet proof! ::) ;D :y
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On the insurance issue, I know of many cyclists who during the fight for compensation toward damage to bikes et al have used camera footage to prove the driver was completely in the wrong. In one case the driver just cut right in front of the cyclist who was quite legally cycling down the road. Bike was a write-off and a few broken bones yet even though the written reports were damning they were trying to fight the cyclist's claim....until they saw the footage whereby they folded like a paper staircase ;)
Good idea. But sadly a lot of cyclists dont act in a legal maner by pulling some of the stunts they do (Especially the red light dash)
I tend to give cyclists as much space as I can, and even more to some of the moronic motorists I have come accross over the years.
Having been knocked off my bike (Through no fault of my own - I was stationary at the time) as kid (and only being allowed on the road because I had passed my cycling proficiency test) I am well are how dangerous it is for cyclists. I am still of the opinion that cyclists and horse riders some have some entitlement on some sort to be on some of the classes of roads we have today.
I am not sure if there is any sort of legislation in place, but if not there should be. Obviously any one passing any part of a driving licence has been trained to understand the roads.
But kids of any age can jump on a bike and ride down the majority of the roads, and maybe to a degree is the same for horse riders. Insurance ought to be compulsary for all road users, anyone could end up in an accident, I once had a horse stampede over my Jag going into town one day, 10 year old girl was riding, something spooked it at a junction, the girl wasnt experienced enough to cope. She took it with out the owner knowing she was on roads with it. But she could have got seriously injured
Most bikers are responsible and experienced and understand the driving habits of people arround them as Gaffers does, it's that odd percentage, the push nike couriers, (Certain) teenagers that dont respect the road or people on it.
Gaffers, please dont take me the wrong way, I am actually on your side, but if we could repect and treat others as equals on the road then maybe there would not be any accidents, sadly there is, it's that that is not equal, as motorits, we have Tax. test, insurance and a licence to be there, a cyclist needs none of these.
Cyclists who flaut the law annoy the crap out of me and I would happily knock a few over myself to teach them a lesson. But I make a point to follow every rule of the road as a cyclist yet I have about 3 near-misses a month one of which is usually trouser changing stuff. The latest was a beemer that for some unkown reason lerched onto my side of the road on a narrow lane. He's lucky I have good brakes as I was doing well over 20mph at the time.
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There's been another thread wirh a dash camera with SD and GPS helped catch a garage test driving a 6.0 VXR
Roadhawk :y
http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/?gclid=CMyxsL3xuKECFcOX2Aod_Q12DQ
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roadhawk are expensive though
I just bought the same one tunnie has, for £9.60, so in a month or so when it finally gets here, i'll do some playing!
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They are only as good as the as the weather/windscreen and camera allow. Having said that 3 years ago leaving london on the A4 i was driving a 44 ton truck for security reasons due to the nature of goods i was carring i had a camera linked to my laptop and looped 20 minutes record time,4 cameras front,back,left and right side.
Just as i was approaching a junction where the 3 lanes would only just get 3 cars side by side or a truck and a car i had an accident. I was in the middle lane and half of the inside lane due to the size of my vehicle the outside land was for turning right only,I was overtaken by a black BMW which then swerved in to the lane i was in quickly followed by a Volvo estate car. the traffic in front slowed and stopped and as a conscuence i hit the Volvo estate car. Needless to say at 20 miles per hour weighing 44 tons there wasnt a lot left of the said Volvo.
To my surprise when the dust settled 2 police officers where stood waiting for me to get out of the cab, when i did get out i was arrestted for dangerous driving and damaging a POLICE VOLVO !!!!!!!!!!
Too cut a long story short,rear end accidents are the fault of the drivers who run in to you, and the police officers duly said i was at fault,being a undercover camera car they claimed tohave footage of my driving being bad.
the Police car was on duty follow a suspect vehicle and i happened to take them out as they put it.
open and shut case. Until i happened to say that i have the last 15 minutes of my driving on film although not linked to a speed readout the police chief who came out to the secne of the accident asked if he could view what i had recorded and promptly released me from custody of the other officers after viewing the recording.
A year later i was shock to learn that what i had recorded was used as evidence in a criminal case against the driver of the BMW along with several others that had commited driving offences caught on my cameras.
The company's insurance rep was quite pleased that i had proof the accident was not my fault and as far as i know London City Police paid for the damage to my truck after seeing the recording i had made
i still have the footage of the day and the pictures of the fubared Volvo Police car i shall dig them out and post on here.
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They are only as good as the as the weather/windscreen and camera allow. Having said that 3 years ago leaving london on the A4 i was driving a 44 ton truck for security reasons due to the nature of goods i was carring i had a camera linked to my laptop and looped 20 minutes record time,4 cameras front,back,left and right side.
Just as i was approaching a junction where the 3 lanes would only just get 3 cars side by side or a truck and a car i had an accident. I was in the middle lane and half of the inside lane due to the size of my vehicle the outside land was for turning right only,I was overtaken by a black BMW which then swerved in to the lane i was in quickly followed by a Volvo estate car. the traffic in front slowed and stopped and as a conscuence i hit the Volvo estate car. Needless to say at 20 miles per hour weighing 44 tons there wasnt a lot left of the said Volvo.
To my surprise when the dust settled 2 police officers where stood waiting for me to get out of the cab, when i did get out i was arrestted for dangerous driving and damaging a POLICE VOLVO !!!!!!!!!!
Too cut a long story short,rear end accidents are the fault of the drivers who run in to you, and the police officers duly said i was at fault,being a undercover camera car they claimed tohave footage of my driving being bad.
the Police car was on duty follow a suspect vehicle and i happened to take them out as they put it.
open and shut case. Until i happened to say that i have the last 15 minutes of my driving on film although not linked to a speed readout the police chief who came out to the secne of the accident asked if he could view what i had recorded and promptly released me from custody of the other officers after viewing the recording.
A year later i was shock to learn that what i had recorded was used as evidence in a criminal case against the driver of the BMW along with several others that had commited driving offences caught on my cameras.
The company's insurance rep was quite pleased that i had proof the accident was not my fault and as far as i know London City Police paid for the damage to my truck after seeing the recording i had made
i still have the footage of the day and the pictures of the fubared Volvo Police car i shall dig them out and post on here.
EXCELLENT! Just shows how the law works in this country, guilty till you prove yourself inocent, I allways thought it was inocent untill proved guilty.
Benrfical for you, your licence and your company, and proof that you are a professional driver, sadly not the same for others, icluding 2 traffic cops that wrongly used thier powers. ::) :y :y
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yes, please do show us the footage or link it on youtube if you can, i'd love to see it :D
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I've got my car camera today, not bad, 10 days from china!
awaiting a video upload to see whether its any good :D
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I can today confirm that the "powers that be" are just issuing a government white paper giving guidelines and requirements for "publically owned and fitted camera on vehicles" which will lay out WHAT and WHERE you can fit them, and evidential requirements. This was reported in the security industry journal my company recieves every month from the DTI.
(by the way, this was initiated by Lord mandelson BEFORE the election)
Only goes to show..............
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meaning there's a possibility that i cant legally have it recording on, say, my journey to work?