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Title: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 25 May 2010, 03:51:49
as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Plomien on 25 May 2010, 07:32:13
now how to get it into the car to replace the aircon gas ;D
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 25 May 2010, 07:44:23
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now how to get it into the car to replace the aircon gas ;D
;D ;D

Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 25 May 2010, 13:41:26
Another fascinating fact that to me proves there is a very universally huge amount of knowledge that Homo sapien sapien has just nibbled at so far!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: waspy on 25 May 2010, 18:53:20
Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 25 May 2010, 21:24:43
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Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
:o :(
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: jonnycool on 25 May 2010, 21:30:43
I read once that the human body produces more heat per unit mass than the sun  :o

Jon
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 25 May 2010, 21:36:06
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Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
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That could be a sign of increased blood glucose levels as the body struggles to deal with the effects of such a sugar rich food.

Excessive consumption of such a high sugar, high carbohydrate food is an open invitation to the body for developing insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes.
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: waspy on 25 May 2010, 21:38:12
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Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
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That could be a sign of increased blood glucose levels as the body struggles to deal with the effects of such a sugar rich food.

Excessive consumption of such a high sugar, high carbohydrate food is an open invitation to the body for developing insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes.

Oh bugger :(

Though it wasn't picked up on my medical :)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 25 May 2010, 21:44:39
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Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
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That could be a sign of increased blood glucose levels as the body struggles to deal with the effects of such a sugar rich food.

Excessive consumption of such a high sugar, high carbohydrate food is an open invitation to the body for developing insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes.

Oh bugger :(

Though it wasn't picked up on my medical :)


That's great news Pete :y.  Although it's more difficult to remain healthy later in life it's definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: waspy on 25 May 2010, 21:48:50
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Another fact is that Sugar Puffs make your wee smell like Sugar Puffs ;D
:o :(



That could be a sign of increased blood glucose levels as the body struggles to deal with the effects of such a sugar rich food.

Excessive consumption of such a high sugar, high carbohydrate food is an open invitation to the body for developing insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes.

Oh bugger :(

Though it wasn't picked up on my medical :)


That's great news Pete :y.  Although it's more difficult to remain healthy later in life it's definitely worth it.

I eat very healthy & i'm very fit, i'd be surprized if i had anything like that, but one never knows ::)
Time will tell ;)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 25 May 2010, 22:09:45
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

binding force between molecules named as Wan Der Waals forces which is also responsible for surface tension.. their normal behaviour in these temperatures.. remember its -271 celcius which is hard to achieve..

for those interested "cooling to 0 kelvin"
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01555.htm
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 26 May 2010, 09:01:26
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

binding force between molecules named as Wan Der Waals forces which is also responsible for surface tension.. their normal behaviour in these temperatures.. remember its -271 celcius which is hard to achieve..

for those interested "cooling to 0 kelvin"
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01555.htm

i just brought some H2O to 273.15K and poured it on a tea bag - that was easy - you're right cem, it's going the other way thats the hard part - as far as i remember my physics absolute zero (0K) isn't achievable  :o

p.s. I grew up next to the River Kelvin, where Lord Kelvin got his title and hence the unit of temperature  :y

Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Xplicit 2.0 on 26 May 2010, 09:57:17
i thought absolute zero was about -72 C
then again im probably wrong :D
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: bob.dent on 26 May 2010, 10:59:56
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Xplicit 2.0 on 26 May 2010, 11:13:35
imagine if u were able to swim in it... or should i say sink in it, with no friction you would be knacked in minutes and have to rest thus sink :-/ :-X ::) :-?
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 26 May 2010, 11:14:41
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/


Perhaps in theory Bob but only as long as the correct temperature was maintained - which would be difficult given the figures involved :)

No ultra low temperature - no motion :(

(If it were possible to have it contained within the bowl)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 26 May 2010, 11:28:38
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/


Perhaps in theory Bob but only as long as the correct temperature was maintained - which would be difficult given the figures involved :)

No ultra low temperature - no motion :(

(If it were possible to have it contained within the bowl)

zulu's right, the energy required to maintain the low temp makes it completely impractical, and even if you could, what could you use a completely friction free, moving material for? it couldn't power anything....could it?

ps zulu - right again! the bowl needs to be upside down or the liquid simply floats away  :y
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 26 May 2010, 12:01:33
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/


Perhaps in theory Bob but only as long as the correct temperature was maintained - which would be difficult given the figures involved :)

No ultra low temperature - no motion :(

(If it were possible to have it contained within the bowl)

zulu's right, the energy required to maintain the low temp makes it completely impractical, and even if you could, what could you use a completely friction free, moving material for? it couldn't power anything....could it?;;ps

zuluzulu - right again! the bowl needs to be upside down or the liquid simply floats away  :y


 but widen our outlook to the possible uses of this perpetual motion.................out into the ice cold vacuum of space..........and then you can start to think of warp drives!

The answers are there. It is just a matter of how long man will take to find them ;) ;)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: bob.dent on 26 May 2010, 12:10:22
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/


Perhaps in theory Bob but only as long as the correct temperature was maintained - which would be difficult given the figures involved :)

No ultra low temperature - no motion :(

(If it were possible to have it contained within the bowl)

zulu's right, the energy required to maintain the low temp makes it completely impractical, and even if you could, what could you use a completely friction free, moving material for? it couldn't power anything....could it?;;ps

zuluzulu - right again! the bowl needs to be upside down or the liquid simply floats away  :y


 but widen our outlook to the possible uses of this perpetual motion.................out into the ice cold vacuum of space..........and then you can start to think of warp drives!

The answers are there. It is just a matter of how long man will take to find them
;) ;)

Exceptionally well observed Lizzie, I think that's absolutely true.......thought provoking stuff. :y
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Banjax on 26 May 2010, 13:18:25
oh no Lizzie, don't get me started on FTL (faster than light) travel - I'll betray my nerdiness  ;D ;D

heres an interesting proposal from Mexican Miguel Alcubierre in the 90's for his method known as the Alcubierre Drive but quickly became known as the Warp Drive - far cooler name  :y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 26 May 2010, 13:45:45
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oh no Lizzie, don't get me started on FTL (faster than light) travel - I'll betray my nerdiness  ;D ;D

heres an interesting proposal from Mexican Miguel Alcubierre in the 90's for his method known as the Alcubierre Drive but quickly became known as the Warp Drive - far cooler name  :y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive


Extremely interesting theory there BJ :y :y :y

I somehow favour the development of Quantum physics to embrace the ability of atoms, that all matter in the universe is constructed of, to seemingly 'travel ' at beyond light / warp speeds when not "in use" under human collective thought. 

As yet man, even after 100 years, is still struggling to understand, let alone explain all of the Quantum mechanics, but the potential seems to be beyond anything we can imagine in 2010. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: jereboam on 26 May 2010, 16:48:01
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i just brought some H2O to 273.15K and poured it on a tea bag - that was easy - you're right cem, it's going the other way thats the hard part - as far as i remember my physics absolute zero (0K) isn't achievable  :o

p.s. I grew up next to the River Kelvin, where Lord Kelvin got his title and hence the unit of temperature  :y


That normally doesn't work too well for iced tea - try using water at something like 373oK and then or refrigerate or otherwise cool it to get to the ice point. 
Title: Re: Sugarpuffs and Quantum Theory
Post by: jereboam on 26 May 2010, 17:10:22
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as I'm experiencing what appears to be a completely sleepless night, I've fallen back on my old staple of a huge bowl of Sugarpuffs, ice-cold milk and some of my wife's Quantum theory books (she's fascinated by this stuff)

heres a wee snippet to get your head around -

Helium - at room temperature you can breathe it and speak in a squeaky voice, or fill balloons to float, etc
but cool it down to below 2 Kelvin its becomes a superfluid ruled by quantum physics - its a liquid that runs uphill and climbs walls! it also has no friction - put the superfluid helium in a bowl and start the bowl spinning - the liquid remains stationary while the bowl revolves around it!!
Now set the liquid in motion and leave the bowl still - the helium will continue revolving for ever - it'll never, ever stop!!  :o :o completely frictionless - utterly amazing  :y

So that must mean perpetual motion really is possible! :-/


Perhaps in theory Bob but only as long as the correct temperature was maintained - which would be difficult given the figures involved :)

No ultra low temperature - no motion :(

(If it were possible to have it contained within the bowl)

zulu's right, the energy required to maintain the low temp makes it completely impractical, and even if you could, what could you use a completely friction free, moving material for? it couldn't power anything....could it?

ps zulu - right again! the bowl needs to be upside down or the liquid simply floats away  :y

Probably not right, I'm sorry to say.  The experiment would need to conducted in a vacuum, because any gaseous atmosphere would also have been reduced to liquid or solid form.  Therefore there would be nothing for the liquid helium to "float away" in.

Anyway, as a general rule, liquids don't float in gases. :) :) :)