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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 26 May 2010, 23:42:13
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
Big brother watch's all the time. :-/
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
Have you got a receipt for your shopping, should get you off, mind that is a lot of shopping it it takes you 3 hours... ;)
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was it Aldi? i got done there :-[
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Might have missed the point, ANPR in Supermarkets, is that legal, Big Brother is watching you.....1984 her we come.
I have known supermarkets protect their car parks, but manually manning a barrier on exit, fair enough.. :)
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Might have missed the point, ANPR in Supermarkets, is that legal, Big Brother is watching you.....1984 her we come.
I have known supermarkets protect their car parks, but manually manning a barrier on exit, fair enough.. :)
quite Mike...
i googled loads of stuff about the legality when i got my ticket, they print it with a checked border to make it appear like a police ticket.
If you want to fight it there are many loop holes based on it actualy being a civil case rather than criminal therefore you don't technically have to give the identity of the driver as they only have the reg so anyone could have been driving ;)
in the end i gave up and paid it early for £20 i think
other angle is approach the store manager if you genuinely were shopping there (i wasn't)
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was Morrisons in Acton, London. ANPR is fully legal, not just police have it, most petrol stations use it to stop authorising pumps to known petrol thieves
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was Morrisons in Acton, London. ANPR is fully legal, not just police have it, most petrol stations use it to stop authorising pumps to known petrol thieves
the use of the ANPR is legal but the request for a drivers details for a civil case isn't :-X
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ANPR is probably given a wide access of uses as it will bring in revenue.
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was Morrisons in Acton, London. ANPR is fully legal, not just police have it, most petrol stations use it to stop authorising pumps to known petrol thieves
That I can accept and understand, but a supermarket car park, somewhat pushing it in opinion :o
There is a minefield out there with private car parks, It is my understanding that if you push the point and got to Court they will not actually follow this through.... :-/
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was Morrisons in Acton, London. ANPR is fully legal, not just police have it, most petrol stations use it to stop authorising pumps to known petrol thieves
That I can accept and understand, but a supermarket car park, somewhat pushing it in opinion :o
There is a minefield out there with private car parks, It is my understanding that if you push the point and got to Court they will not actually follow this through.... :-/
they probably won't but have you got the cajjones to find out??? the missus made me give in and paid it (it was her fault) ;D
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ANPR is probably given a wide access of uses as it will bring in revenue.
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So we have 1984, Orwell was just a but premature >:( I, like many others just seem to be falling into it, something is not right about all of this........ :( :( :(
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Thing is, if all ANPR units like these in the petrol stations and super markets lead/link straight back to police sources then no matter where a marked car is they will hopefully be caught sooner. :y
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was Morrisons in Acton, London. ANPR is fully legal, not just police have it, most petrol stations use it to stop authorising pumps to known petrol thieves
So a new slant on the TV advert - should now be sung:
LESS reasons to shop at Mooreasons - smile please ur on candid (ANPR) camera!! >:( >:( >:(
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Thing is, if all ANPR units like these in the petrol stations and super markets lead/link straight back to police sources then no matter where a marked car is they will hopefully be caught sooner. :y
Get real, nicking petrol is rather more of a concern that someone parking for to long in a car park... ::) ::) ::)
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Pet hate of mine Mark,! 'Big Brother' is a major PITA & needs to be addressed NOW at local MP level across the Nation by everyone! If allowed to go unchecked, God only knows where it will lead to? >:( My blood pressure goes through the roof every time I see one of these compliant idiots entering my details into the 'system' whenever I go to do the shopping! For goodness sake, if only this level snooping was applied to 'real wrongdoing' we could all sleep a bit sounder in our beds!!!!! >:(
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
Have you got a receipt for your shopping, should get you off, mind that is a lot of shopping it it takes you 3 hours... ;)
3 Hours isn't a long time in the company of a dedicated Female Vamps! :o ;)
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
If you did spend the time in the shop go to customer services, ramp up the anger/volume, and demand to speak to the manager - and harangue the arse off of him over the ticket, until he folds 8-)
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Knowing Tunnie I cant see him wanting to spend enough cash to warrant being in Morrisons for 3 hours unless he spent a couple of hours going through the Whoops shelving ;D
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In little old Wakefield our whole city centre is covered by CCTV. All the main routes in and out are ANPR. There are two car parks with ANPR and they are constantly in the news for their heavy handed approach. Unfortunately, it's all legal.
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Was the car park clearly marked with terms and conditions including the 3 hour limit?
Did you overstay the limit?
Did you shop there and have you got your receipt?
In most cases, these parking bullyboys aren't employed by the stores but by a company contracted to do so, so the manager of the store, should you decide to give him some abuse (and you should, if you were shopping there) will probably tell you it's out of his hands.
If you've got the b@lls, just completely ignore their letters and they'll go away 99% of the time. Whilst they could theoretically pursue you through the civil courts it's expensive for them and by no means an open and shut case.
In fact, aren't you in the process of moving house? Didn't the letter get lost in the chaos / go to the wrong address, etc? ;)
Kevin
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yeah it was clearly signposted, and i overstayed the limit by 1 hour 10 mins :-/
Its right next to the town centre..
I did buy something in there, it was lunch / snacks before going onto the Estate agency in town to view the flats. The plan was for just 1 viewing, but then the other cropped up and the one i was not expecting to see which i ended up buying!
So its a fair cop really, but don't think i have a copy of the receipt any more, can't remember if i paid cash or not :-/ - I think actually mother T bought lunch :(
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letters are not recorded or signed for either ::)
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Lots of advice on these on the internet, e.g.: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets
I tend to take his view. If you did break the rules and the charge is not exorbitant but reflects the cost to them of your breach of your "parking contract", then pay up.
Otherwise, give them a hard time every step of the way. >:(
Kevin
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thing is parking is free there and i 'did not see the signs'
Also done some interneting, and found this:
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/246635-parkingeye-penalty-charge.html
Looks like they give up after a while, thinking back mother T paid on card for lunch so that will be on a bank statement :)
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
So who's the sneaky b@stard. The supermarket for trying to catch the people that abuse their facilities or the person who thinks i'm not paying to park in town, I will park on Morrisons, spend £2 on a sandwich which makes me a customer and stay an extra 1hr 10 mins. I would say its a fair cop and a hard lesson learnt ::)
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
So who's the sneaky b@stard. The supermarket for trying to catch the people that abuse their facilities or the person who thinks i'm not paying to park in town, I will park on Morrisons, spend £2 on a sandwich which makes me a customer and stay an extra 1hr 10 mins. I would say its a fair cop and a hard lesson learnt ::)
Considering it was a Monday afternoon and had entire floor to myself in multi-story i think they could have spared the room ::)
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i agree with pete, although i wish these parking attendants would come down hard on able-bodied shoppers sweeping into the disabled spaces in their chelsea tractors instead >:(
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
So who's the sneaky b@stard. The supermarket for trying to catch the people that abuse their facilities or the person who thinks i'm not paying to park in town, I will park on Morrisons, spend £2 on a sandwich which makes me a customer and stay an extra 1hr 10 mins. I would say its a fair cop and a hard lesson learnt ::)
Considering it was a Monday afternoon and had entire floor to myself in multi-story i think they could have spared the room ::)
Oh right, so if I come and dump my car on your drive when everyone is out thats ok then ::)
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i agree with pete, although i wish these parking attendants would come down hard on able-bodied shoppers sweeping into the disabled spaces in their chelsea tractors instead >:(
They should, and the idiots that park in the mother and toddler parking spaces because its closer to the door >:(
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i agree with pete, although i wish these parking attendants would come down hard on able-bodied shoppers sweeping into the disabled spaces in their chelsea tractors instead >:(
They should, and the idiots that park in the mother and toddler parking spaces because its closer to the door >:(
They are also bigger, so i can park badly :D
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Hmm.... TBH Tunnie you were extracting the urine somewhat by parking there for so long and only popping in for some lunch ::) ::)
That said... I'd probably still fight it :y :y
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it cost me a tenner to park in the hospital all day yesterday, more if i was there later. 3.50 to park even if its 5 mins.
£6 all day in uxbridge.
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it cost me a tenner to park in the hospital all day yesterday, more if i was there later. 3.50 to park even if its 5 mins.
£6 all day in uxbridge.
I worked at Oylmpia over 10 years ago. £10...for five minutes or the whole day. Cheap for the whole day in West London but a bit steep for five minutes. ;D
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I got a ticket through the post a while ago from the company monitoring Tesco's carpark in Stafford. I got it because I'm the registered keeper - but it was the missus that parked it. The ticket actually showed that she'd parked and overstayed her welcome twice. They'd ignored the first one and stung on the second. Seems reasonable to me. She would go to town with the kids during the day and park 2 hours in Tesco and then move it to Asda and spend another 2hrs in town, so play the system. Got caught. Fair cop really...
Usually the reason for people leaving their cars in the supermarket car parks is because it's free, and conveniently located to something more exctiing - town centre in our case. I can understand Tesco wanting to discourage people abusing the car park otherwise they end up being dumping grounds for the motors of people working in the town centre and genuine customers wouldn't be able to park on the vast expanse of real estate they didn't build on. The problem lies more with the council not providing sutiable parking at a reasonable cost (ie free) near locations that people want to be. It's signposted, the cameras are reasonably obvious, although personally if they want to employ that tactic I'd make them really, really obvious (or put hi-vis dummy cameras that the local yobs can abuse whilst maintaining the slightly less obvious originals)
I paid the fine and shouted at the missus. It's business, and they're protecting it from inconsiderate motorists. The systems cheaper to run that employing someone to sit and check receipts (and is less of an inconvenience to customers). Just makes business sense.
Yes there's a bit of a moral issue with the data, and how long it's kept for and who gets to see it. Personally I don't think it's a huge infringement on my freedom, but (as far as I know) I've nothing to hide so don't feel particularly threatened or 'watched'. I'd almost considerate it a worthwhile tool for the police to be able to hook into the systems to be able to track criminal movements.
Just my 2p...
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an ANPR system in a mcdonalds got a transit van coming in at 12pm, failed to see it leave at about 12.30, then failed to see it return at 18.00 and managed to catch it leaving at 18:15, driver got a ticket for his apparent 6¼ hour stay, and was told the ticket wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, as, on moneysavingexpert, many are unenforceable
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an ANPR system in a mcdonalds got a transit van coming in at 12pm, failed to see it leave at about 12.30, then failed to see it return at 18.00 and managed to catch it leaving at 18:15, driver got a ticket for his apparent 6¼ hour stay, and was told the ticket wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, as, on moneysavingexpert, many are unenforceable
Exactly reports i got on mine, even show ones exactly same style posted on forums. They send about 3/4 letters then give up, as the cost of taking it to court is not worth it, as even if they win, the costs they get are £0 as its free parking anyway ;D
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never mine tunnie ole lad but it does only leave you with a £29,960 deposit for yer flat ;)
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There was a solicitor on Watch Dog the other week who suggested they should be folded into a paer plane & flown out of the nearest window. The programme also had the owner of one of several company vans fitted with trackers that could prove the whereabouts of this particular van whne the car park company failed to see it leaving & appearing hours later. They just told them where they could shove their 'fines' ;)
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Even if you have the technology to capture registration numbers from video, how do you get the name and address of the vehicle's registered keeper?
Is this freely available somewhere, or do you have to apply to the DVLA for it?
I've always been under the impression that the information was restricted to authorised users, such as the police and the courts.
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Do the legalities really matter?
In this country, we appear to have lost all morals. We know something is wrong, but do these things anyway, simply because we can knowing the law is weak in some areas.
In this case, a car was parked on private property against the rules of the land owner. Of course the land owner should be able to punish.
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Anyone can buy information from the dvla based on a number plate if they have 'good cause'
Ticket I got was from a company called parking eye. Googles them and they are well known. They even send out letters saying your credit rating will be trashed and the bailifs sent around to collect. All the consumer forums and moneysaving ones just say ignore as they cannot be enfored.
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Even if you have the technology to capture registration numbers from video, how do you get the name and address of the vehicle's registered keeper?
Is this freely available somewhere, or do you have to apply to the DVLA for it?
I've always been under the impression that the information was restricted to authorised users, such as the police and the courts.
Nope. They bung DVLA a couple of quid and it's forthcoming.
It's even worse if you have an aircraft registered in your name. >:(
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=EELT
Kevin
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Even if you have the technology to capture registration numbers from video, how do you get the name and address of the vehicle's registered keeper?
Is this freely available somewhere, or do you have to apply to the DVLA for it?
I've always been under the impression that the information was restricted to authorised users, such as the police and the courts.
Nope. They bung DVLA a couple of quid and it's forthcoming.
It's even worse if you have an aircraft registered in your name. >:(
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=EELT
Kevin
I find the wings catch on the car park barriers ;D
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our business is SELLING and INSTALLING ANPR cameras and other security. With "due good reason" you can apply to the DVLA, and for £1.25 per number, they will tell you the name and address of the plate number by fax or email.
its that easy.
(due good reason having first been established, verified, and paid for.............)
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Got £40 fine for being 3 hours in a supermarket carpet when the limit was 2 hours, ANPR on entry and exit it, although i didn't see any cameras.
Sneaky b@stards >:(
Is this a magic carpet? Things have moved on since I was in England six years ago! Just wave your wand and say abracadabra and the £40 will go away. ;D ;D ;D ;D