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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 09 June 2010, 14:38:48
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On another thread I started to go into the sad affair of the loss of the Euston Arch in London during 1961/2, against many protests to preserve it when the then new Euston - 1960s monstrosity - station was to be built. This was a great loss to part of London's railway history, and some thought it had gone forever.
However, there has been a big movement to rebuild the arch using 60% at least of the original that was discovered by an historian dumped to fill a hole in a London river!!:
Please read down through this link for details:
http://www.eustonarch.org/history.html#7
This is what the Euston Arch originally looked like when I was a child, but it was demolished in 1961/1962 - NOTE the cars; can you name them?? :
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/EustonArch.jpg)
Now though as I have stated the intention is to rebuild the arch. It is intended this will be done when eventually a new Euston Station is built:
http://www.eustonarch.org/
.........................and this is the fantastic new vision for the rebuilt Euston Arch:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/SydneyandLondonoption1.jpg)
Please feel free to sign up to support this campaign, and perhaps even donate to it! :y :y
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well youve got a morris 1000, a black cab, & is that a standard vanguard?, & the convertable looks like a sunbeam talbot, but im probably wrong!, & the one in the background i cant see properly!. :-/
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well youve got a morris 1000, a black cab, & is that a standard vanguard?, & the convertable looks like a sunbeam talbot, but im probably wrong!, & the one in the background i cant see properly!. :-/
Well done Alf! :y :y :y Although the Sunbeam is the one I am stuck on, as there were a few cars going around at the time that looked like those. As for the Standard Vanguard, my driving instructor in 1970 still owned one of them. A lovely car to ride in :-* :-* :-*
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just turned my brightness up, & is the one under the arches a humber? :-/
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just turned my brightness up, & is the one under the arches a humber? :-/
A Humber Super Snipe? Could well be Alf, although it is a dark photo and they seem similar to the black taxies!! :D :D :D ;)
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well youve got a morris 1000, a black cab, & is that a standard vanguard?, & the convertable looks like a sunbeam talbot, but im probably wrong!, & the one in the background i cant see properly!. :-/
Well done Alf! :y :y :y Although the Sunbeam is the one I am stuck on, as there were a few cars going around at the time that looked like those. As for the Standard Vanguard, my driving instructor in 1970 still owned one of them. A lovely car to ride in :-* :-* :-*
Ooer missus!! :o
I heard they found all the rubble a few years ago, should definately be rebuilt!!
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My Dad (with a good magnifying glass) says its a Humber Super Snipe.
Well done!!
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My Dad (with a good magnifying glass) says its a Humber Super Snipe.
Well done!!
Thanks SS :y :y
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i went round the york railway museum on sunday,i like the free entry(but £7 to park :o)anyway we got to the royal carriages and my mother outlaw said so that was the luxury then to which when youi look at them it would be luxury by todays standards..one had a bath
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i went round the york railway museum on sunday,i like the free entry(but £7 to park :o)anyway we got to the royal carriages and my mother outlaw said so that was the luxury then to which when youi look at them it would be luxury by todays standards..one had a bath
True H! ;D ;D :y
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The other end of the line was in Birmingham and here is the our terminal.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg200/dad1uk/Curzon_Street_Station_-Birmingham-U.jpg)
Standing empty at the moment after a chequered history but rumoured to be the terminus for the proposed new High Speed Railway line.
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The other end of the line was in Birmingham and here is the our terminal.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg200/dad1uk/Curzon_Street_Station_-Birmingham-U.jpg)
Standing empty at the moment after a chequered history but rumoured to be the terminus for the proposed new High Speed Railway line.
Thanks DadUK1! :y :y :y
Lovely picture of a building I never knew existed. You can certainly see the connection with the old Euston and in particular the Arch 8-) 8-)
Wouldn't it be great if it could be re-used for a new high speed line terminus, and down in London the Arch is rebuilt! :-* :-* :-*
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Lizzie after years of standing derelict it was cleaned up by I think the Princes Trust but alas it only short lived. It would be wonderful if it was restored, and the proposed Euston Arch looks a lot better than whats there at the moment!
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Here you go peeps
remains of the Arch being dredged from the River
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/razzo_photo/KY8L0083.jpg)
and channel 4's Dan Cruickshank with some of the stones in the barge behind him
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/razzo_photo/KY8L0065.jpg)
as i understand it some of the stones are in a garden in South London/ Kent borders & the owner is not willing to give them up :-?
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Here you go peeps
remains of the Arch being dredged from the River
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/razzo_photo/KY8L0083.jpg)
and channel 4's Dan Cruickshank with some of the stones in the barge behind him
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/razzo_photo/KY8L0065.jpg)
as i understand it some of the stones are in a garden in South London/ Kent borders & the owner is not willing to give them up :-?
What's the address??!! :o :o :o I'll make him an offer he can't refuse :D :D ;) ;)
Great pictures!! 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
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I'm awfully sorry to be such a philistine, but I went to school half a mile up the road from the Euston Arch, and went past it regularly on the bus. It wasn't particularly loved or treasured by Londoners and, Sir John Betjeman apart, there wasn't all that much of a protest when it went.
I thought the new Euston was an improvement. :)
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I'm awfully sorry to be such a philistine, but I went to school half a mile up the road from the Euston Arch, and went past it regularly on the bus. It wasn't particularly loved or treasured by Londoners and, Sir John Betjeman apart, there wasn't all that much of a protest when it went.
I thought the new Euston was an improvement. :)
You're not a Philistine....... you're Jewish remember? ;)
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I'm awfully sorry to be such a philistine, but I went to school half a mile up the road from the Euston Arch, and went past it regularly on the bus. It wasn't particularly loved or treasured by Londoners and, Sir John Betjeman apart, there wasn't all that much of a protest when it went.
I thought the new Euston was an improvement. :)
You're not a Philistine....... you're Jewish remember? ;)
Funnily enough, the Jewish boys at my school who wanted kosher meals at lunchtime used to go down to somewhere near Euston to get them. I went there once, preferred my mother's food and thereafter went home for lunch.
And it was at that school that I first learned the pejorative meaning of "Philistine" when my younger brother told me that his English teacher had warned him that he was danger of emulating me and becoming and "arrogant Philistine".
Just 'cos I didn't like John Milton's poetry very much... :(
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I agree with Jereboam - once it's gone it's gone...theres no point making a new copy of an old arch, make something for future generations to admire, show them what we can do in the 21st century :y
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I agree with Jereboam - once it's gone it's gone...theres no point making a new copy of an old arch, make something for future generations to admire, show them what we can do in the 21st century :y
I can understand both Jereboam's and your point of view BJ, but it has not gone. That is the point, at least 60% is estimated to exist, and it could be rebuilt as part of a new 21st century terminus.
Yes always build new, like high speed railway lines, and landmarks like the Angel of the North and the Horse of the South, along with great new buildings to last (hopefully) for two hundred years or more. But always value the key symbols of the past along with the new. The two can go side by side 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just my opinion as an historian though :D :D ;)
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The other end of the line was in Birmingham and here is the our terminal.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg200/dad1uk/Curzon_Street_Station_-Birmingham-U.jpg)
Standing empty at the moment after a chequered history but rumoured to be the terminus for the proposed new High Speed Railway line.
Thanks DadUK1! :y :y :y
Lovely picture of a building I never knew existed. You can certainly see the connection with the old Euston and in particular the Arch 8-) 8-)
Wouldn't it be great if it could be re-used for a new high speed line terminus, and down in London the Arch is rebuilt! :-* :-* :-*
is that opposite millenium point/museum?
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I agree with Jereboam - once it's gone it's gone...theres no point making a new copy of an old arch, make something for future generations to admire, show them what we can do in the 21st century :y
I can understand both Jereboam's and your point of view BJ, but it has not gone. That is the point, at least 60% is estimated to exist, and it could be rebuilt as part of a new 21st century terminus.
Yes always build new, like high speed railway lines, and landmarks like the Angel of the North and the Horse of the South, along with great new buildings to last (hopefully) for two hundred years or more. But always value the key symbols of the past along with the new. The two can go side by side 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just my opinion as an historian though :D :D ;)
This is difficult.
The arch really wasn't a very distinguished piece of architecture. It was the entrance to a station. It wasn't actually a particularly appropriate design for the entrance to a station. It wasn't particularly old, original, attractive, clean or useful. It didn't memorialise anything, or celebrate the triumph of a returning army. It was an advertisement of sorts for the London to Birmingham Railway.
Still, if you like it and want it back, collect some money and buy it. Just don't ask the taxpayer to contribute.
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i agree with Jereboam. up close it probably wasnt that pretty or that interesting. mixing old and new designs together is well and truly an art. london bridge and the gurkin.
locally its the sears building , st martins church and the rotunda. time will tell on the sears building?
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I agree with Jereboam - once it's gone it's gone...theres no point making a new copy of an old arch, make something for future generations to admire, show them what we can do in the 21st century :y
I can understand both Jereboam's and your point of view BJ, but it has not gone. That is the point, at least 60% is estimated to exist, and it could be rebuilt as part of a new 21st century terminus.
Yes always build new, like high speed railway lines, and landmarks like the Angel of the North and the Horse of the South, along with great new buildings to last (hopefully) for two hundred years or more. But always value the key symbols of the past along with the new. The two can go side by side 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just my opinion as an historian though :D :D ;)
totally appreciate where you're coming from lizzie - i used to live in Dundee - a once beautiful city on the side of the Law hill (an extinct volcano) overlooking the silvery Tay river, as one of the main ports of the old empire it had many beautiful victorian buildings that were torn down in the 60's to be replaced by ugly concrete boxes - and it has never truly recovered :(
i think the 60's era of "brutalist" concrete monstrocities was an error that hopefully we won't repeat (although i doubt it) when out with the old and in with the new seemed the best way - if we lose old buildings and structures we must be very careful what we put in their place which is why i agree with prince charles's constant rants about carbuncles :y
so dont replace it, thats a backward step, - just think carefully before removing it in the first place, in the future :o
but if they raise the money privately, then fine (just hope it doesnt end up sponsored by mcdonalds and painted gold ;D) :y
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I agree with Jereboam - once it's gone it's gone...theres no point making a new copy of an old arch, make something for future generations to admire, show them what we can do in the 21st century :y
I can understand both Jereboam's and your point of view BJ, but it has not gone. That is the point, at least 60% is estimated to exist, and it could be rebuilt as part of a new 21st century terminus.
Yes always build new, like high speed railway lines, and landmarks like the Angel of the North and the Horse of the South, along with great new buildings to last (hopefully) for two hundred years or more. But always value the key symbols of the past along with the new. The two can go side by side 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just my opinion as an historian though :D :D ;)
This is difficult.
The arch really wasn't a very distinguished piece of architecture. It was the entrance to a station. It wasn't actually a particularly appropriate design for the entrance to a station. It wasn't particularly old, original, attractive, clean or useful. It didn't memorialise anything, or celebrate the triumph of a returning army. It was an advertisement of sorts for the London to Birmingham Railway.
Still, if you like it and want it back, collect some money and buy it. Just don't ask the taxpayer to contribute.
I couldn't agree more Jereboam at any time, let alone in the current financial climate :y :y
It is intended that private and corporate sponsorship along with donations will pay for the development and the re-erection of the Arch 8-) 8-)
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I think it is a great thing to do to "restore the Arch" and incorporate it into a new station. I would also be the first to agree that buildings like the Gherkin and the millenium Bridge are iconic. However heritage is so worth saving. Ask the Americans if they would like some old buildings?
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The other end of the line was in Birmingham and here is the our terminal.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg200/dad1uk/Curzon_Street_Station_-Birmingham-U.jpg)
Standing empty at the moment after a chequered history but rumoured to be the terminus for the proposed new High Speed Railway line.
Thanks DadUK1! :y :y :y
Lovely picture of a building I never knew existed. You can certainly see the connection with the old Euston and in particular the Arch 8-) 8-)
Wouldn't it be great if it could be re-used for a new high speed line terminus, and down in London the Arch is rebuilt! :-* :-* :-*
is that opposite millenium point/museum?
Yep that's the one :y