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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: miggy on 05 June 2010, 17:47:51
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Got pulled in today by traffic carrying out a drink drive campaign in June, he asked if i would object to taking the test, no probs but the machine i had to blow in was not the usual one, it was a long tube and all i had to do was place my lips approx 3 inches from the opening and blow onto it, took milliseconds for the reading. Never seen one of these type before, maybe some of you PCs on here could enlighten? is that the norm now?
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
:y :y :y spot on, NO excuses for rinking and DRIVING, plenty of excuses to drink though ;D
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
:y :y :y spot on, NO excuses for rinking and DRIVING, plenty of excuses to drink though ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/7804770/Bid-to-cut-drink-drive-limit-by-almost-half.html
would there be an excuse if this came in?? :-?
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
:y :y :y spot on, NO excuses for rinking and DRIVING, plenty of excuses to drink though ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/7804770/Bid-to-cut-drink-drive-limit-by-almost-half.html
would there be an excuse if this came in?? :-?
I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
:y :y :y spot on, NO excuses for rinking and DRIVING, plenty of excuses to drink though ;D
WOT? are they banning ice skating now then? :o Where else am I going to get the chance to legally see up someones skirt? ;D ;D ;D ;)
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
:y :y :y spot on, NO excuses for rinking and DRIVING, plenty of excuses to drink though ;D
WOT? are they banning ice skating now then? :o Where else am I going to get the chance to legally see up someones skirt? ;D ;D ;D ;)
Well spotted, had too many cans today ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmmm. You can only be required to provide a breath test (in UK/Wales) if you've committed a moving traffic offence, been in a collision, or of the ossifer suspects you've been drinking.
I guess there's no harm in "asking if you'd mind" taking a breath test... but at bare minimum, it should have been made very clear to you that there was no obligation (unless any of the three criteria above applied).
On the subject of the new machine - no idea. The breath box I last used was like something out of the Flintstones :D
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
I must admit......as a "yoof"....in the seventies...I would drink Drive/ride on a regular basis......(as many of us did back then).....and without.. tax ...insurance and MOT......However ....I'm now a very mature and sensible middle aged man who drives a Vauxhall Omega..... ::) ::) ;)
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Hmmm. You can only be required to provide a breath test (in UK/Wales) if you've committed a moving traffic offence, been in a collision, or of the ossifer suspects you've been drinking.
I guess there's no harm in "asking if you'd mind" taking a breath test... but at bare minimum, it should have been made very clear to you that there was no obligation (unless any of the three criteria above applied).
On the subject of the new machine - no idea. The breath box I last used was like something out of the Flintstones :D
The traffic cop did ask if i minded, i did not as i had nothing to hide, the traffic cops were at the same spot all day yesterday pulling in vehicles. he was not on his own, there must have been 5 or 6 traffic cars. None of the above criteria applied to me.
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
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The traffic cop did ask if i minded, i did not as i had nothing to hide, the traffic cops were at the same spot all day yesterday pulling in vehicles. he was not on his own, there must have been 5 or 6 traffic cars. None of the above criteria applied to me.
But you'd have spent a long time in the lay-by while something was found to 'do' you for had you minded
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
thats the trouble with these sweeping changes they come out with as andy b has highlighted.
i wonder where the research come from that suggests that it those (law abiding) types close to the limit cause the accidents rather than those who totally flout the law and dont care less.
the gene hunt types as mentioned above still exist in 2010. :-?
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
thats the trouble with these sweeping changes they come out with as andy b has highlighted.
i wonder where the research come from that suggests that it those (law abiding) types close to the limit cause the accidents rather than those who totally flout the law and dont care less.
the gene hunt types as mentioned above still exist in 2010. :-?
I think most of mainland Europe are already on a limit of 50, so trying to get us the same. I'll generally have a couple of pints if out & driving, it all depends on the person, what they have or not eaten, what pint they drunk. Too many variables to determine what you can safely drink. I can't really argue with the 50, but a total ban on any alchohol when driving would be rediculous.
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Hmmm. You can only be required to provide a breath test (in UK/Wales) if you've committed a moving traffic offence, been in a collision, or of the ossifer suspects you've been drinking.
I guess there's no harm in "asking if you'd mind" taking a breath test... but at bare minimum, it should have been made very clear to you that there was no obligation (unless any of the three criteria above applied).
On the subject of the new machine - no idea. The breath box I last used was like something out of the Flintstones :D
I thought Wales was in the UK? ::)...........putting my pedantic coat on. :D
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I have something here for you to practise on Miggy :-* :-* :-* ;D
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In my opinion there should be a campaign EVERY day.
10 year ban and 5k fine. and a year in Jail to help you sober up.
If you lose you job over it WELL DONE.
Just my own opinion.
I must admit......as a "yoof"....in the seventies...I would drink Drive/ride on a regular basis......(as many of us did back then).....and without.. tax ...insurance and MOT......However ....I'm now a very mature and sensible middle aged man who drives a Vauxhall Omega..... ::) ::) ;)
weve all done that,,a select few may not
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
thats the trouble with these sweeping changes they come out with as andy b has highlighted.
i wonder where the research come from that suggests that it those (law abiding) types close to the limit cause the accidents rather than those who totally flout the law and dont care less.
the gene hunt types as mentioned above still exist in 2010. :-?
I think most of mainland Europe are already on a limit of 50, so trying to get us the same. I'll generally have a couple of pints if out & driving, it all depends on the person, what they have or not eaten, what pint they drunk. Too many variables to determine what you can safely drink. I can't really argue with the 50, but a total ban on any alchohol when driving would be rediculous.
A total BAN, I can support that. If you wanna have a drink DO NOT DRIVE PERIOD. SIMPLES.
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Hmmm. You can only be required to provide a breath test (in UK/Wales) if you've committed a moving traffic offence, been in a collision, or of the ossifer suspects you've been drinking.
I guess there's no harm in "asking if you'd mind" taking a breath test... but at bare minimum, it should have been made very clear to you that there was no obligation (unless any of the three criteria above applied).
On the subject of the new machine - no idea. The breath box I last used was like something out of the Flintstones :D
I thought Wales was in the UK? ::)...........putting my pedantic coat on. :D
They wanted to be independent and i think a mao of england was actually printed and they left wales off, unless it was an april fools :-/
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
thats the trouble with these sweeping changes they come out with as andy b has highlighted.
i wonder where the research come from that suggests that it those (law abiding) types close to the limit cause the accidents rather than those who totally flout the law and dont care less.
the gene hunt types as mentioned above still exist in 2010. :-?
I think most of mainland Europe are already on a limit of 50, so trying to get us the same. I'll generally have a couple of pints if out & driving, it all depends on the person, what they have or not eaten, what pint they drunk. Too many variables to determine what you can safely drink. I can't really argue with the 50, but a total ban on any alchohol when driving would be rediculous.
A total BAN, I can support that. If you wanna have a drink DO NOT DRIVE PERIOD. SIMPLES.
You mean FULL STOP ....USA use periods!
Read the previous posts. A total ban means that you can't have various foodstuffs that have been cooked in some kind of alcohol, blah blah in a red wine sauce, sherry triffle ..... etc etc. you need to be able to live with laws.
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I can make a SHERRY Trifle, or even chicken in Red Wine sauce, and you could eat as much as you wanted, till it made you ill, and you would NOT be over the legal drink drive limit, in fact I have done it many times, all you need to do is use a simple thing called ESSENCE in your cooking.
You would not serve anyone food that contained NUTS knowing that person or persons suffered a Nut Allergy. If you have guests coming to dinner and they are driving home use ESSENCE. I still say TOTAL BAN, and I have more reasons than most to support my theory, and no matter what you all throw at me I will defend it with my dieing breath, and try as hard as you will, you will NOT convince me any different.
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I can make a SHERRY Trifle, or even chicken in Red Wine sauce, and you could eat as much as you wanted, till it made you ill, and you would NOT be over the legal drink drive limit, in fact I have done it many times, all you need to do is use a simple thing called ESSENCE in your cooking.
You would not serve anyone food that contained NUTS knowing that person or persons suffered a Nut Allergy. If you have guests coming to dinner and they are driving home use ESSENCE. I still say TOTAL BAN, and I have more reasons than most to support my theory, and no matter what you all throw at me I will defend it with my dieing breath, and try as hard as you will, you will NOT convince me any different.
whatever! :-X
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If you had one pint of shandy on a Monday evening at say 10 o,clock you would probably still have a detectable amount in your bloodstream on the way to work the next day, even though it was having no effect. I can sympathise with the zero tolerance attitude but I think the reason it hasnt been introduced is that the powers that be, including the police know that its unworkable.
I think we realistically need to have a limit.Its the people who ignore the limit and take a chance driving while p1ssed who are the problem imo.I could be tempted to bring back hanging for them. ;)
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I can sympathise with the zero tolerance attitude but I think the reason it hasnt been introduced is that the powers that be, including the police know that its unworkable.
I think we realistically need to have a limit.Its the people who ignore the limit and take a chance driving while p1ssed who are the problem imo.I could be tempted to bring back hanging for them. ;)
Spot on. No other country has an unworkable zero
IIRC there'a an EU country that has 5ml/100mg to allow for exactly your example. Those who drive pi$$ed now, will drive pi$$ed if the max is 50, 40, 30, or zero.
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I can sympathise with the zero tolerance attitude but I think the reason it hasnt been introduced is that the powers that be, including the police know that its unworkable.
I think we realistically need to have a limit.Its the people who ignore the limit and take a chance driving while p1ssed who are the problem imo.I could be tempted to bring back hanging for them. ;)
Spot on. No other country has an unworkable zero
IIRC there'a an EU country that has 5ml/100mg to allow for exactly your example. Those who drive pi$$ed now, will drive pi$$ed if the max is 50, 40, 30, or zero.
spot on.
peachy, you talk in circles. the red wine in my sauce you would be well over ::)
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I like a drink, had a few today but drive for a living so never drink on a "school night"
Regarding the alcohol in food, if you add wine to a sauce for example the reducing process in the cooking (usually adding butter near the end) cooks out the alcohol but leaves the flavour hence no alcoholic intake.
Sorry to be a clever dickie!!! ;D
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Funny though, that while drink driving is most definitely on the decrease (certainly since when I was a lad!), mobile phone use when driving is widespread and judged to be arguably as dangerous as driving over the limit. >:(
Methinks there should be a vigorous campaign against that!
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I like a drink, had a few today but drive for a living so never drink on a "school night"
Regarding the alcohol in food, if you add wine to a sauce for example the reducing process in the cooking (usually adding butter near the end) cooks out the alcohol but leaves the flavour hence no alcoholic intake.
Sorry to be a clever dickie!!! ;D
you know what i mean.
(http://trueslant.com/scottyoung/2009/09/15/legendary-television-chef-and-bon-vivant-keith-floyd-dies/)
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Funny though, that while drink driving is most definitely on the decrease (certainly since when I was a lad!), mobile phone use when driving is widespread and judged to be arguably as dangerous as driving over the limit. >:(
Methinks there should be a vigorous campaign against that!
missus out driving today, guy pulls halfway out of a pub carpark.
missus jestures " what are you doing" to which the reply came "im on the phone" :( :)
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driving tired is more dangerous than drink driving - besides, theres nothing worse than being in a smash when you're stone-cold sober.....hic! :y
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the bloke in front of me at 0615 this morning must've been on something. he was all over the place. At one time he was half way across the other side of the road (main road to Notlob ..... )
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Apposite to post this: ;)
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/06/all-to-keep-men-in-brussels-happy.html
Oh, and look at that poor Omega! :'(
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more like it
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What about mobile phones the stupid b ****(lady) who pulled out in front of me was so engrossed in her conversation she did even see me and just continued on her journey yapping on her phone now theres a topic on a ban. >:(
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I think a zero limit is unworkable in the real world, I think people who may have had loved family members killed or injured by drink drivers may disagree, but I think 99 per cent of us will have gone out on the road with some detectable alcohol in their system, knowingly or not.
I think, as said above, that there need to be tougher laws on mobile phone use, given their poularity and the contempt that people have for the law as it is at the moment.
I can vouch for the fact that they are dangerous as I rather stupidly tried to read a text while going along a 30 limit road some years ago and found myself heading towards an artic coming the other way when I looked up. Don't even look at my phone if it rings in my car now, it's never that important a call
Jon
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I agree with it, it should be NO DRINK at all when behind the wheel, never mind limits. BAN it totally, thats my opinion, others will differ.
That's the sherry trifle off the Christmas menu then if you're driving!
thats the trouble with these sweeping changes they come out with as andy b has highlighted.
i wonder where the research come from that suggests that it those (law abiding) types close to the limit cause the accidents rather than those who totally flout the law and dont care less.
the gene hunt types as mentioned above still exist in 2010. :-?
I think most of mainland Europe are already on a limit of 50, so trying to get us the same. I'll generally have a couple of pints if out & driving, it all depends on the person, what they have or not eaten, what pint they drunk. Too many variables to determine what you can safely drink. I can't really argue with the 50, but a total ban on any alchohol when driving would be rediculous.
As mentioned a few years ago i lost someone due to a drink driver, my thoughts are still BAN any alchohol when driving, people have different ideas but when expierienced at first hand your mind changes.
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I have written on this forum before about the EU initiative to significantly cut road deaths in each and every member state. It is a ten year programme and each country was asked to introduce measures to specifically reduce the number of road deaths per annum. Remember that in the UK it is something like TEN a day. More than halfway through the ten year programme and the UK still hasn't significantly reduced the road deaths. You do however benefit from a prodigous speed camera population.
We used to be mortified when we watched Spanish professional drivers having their morning break and chasing down their coffee with brandies. On one occasion we watched the fellow get into a 4 axle concrete mixer! We are always watchful in what we call the dead zone - 4 till 6 pm. when workers have staggered out from their 9 euro menu of the day including free drink (beer, fanta or bottle house wine!)
The Spanish too are cracking down on drink drivers and have introduced a process of stopping everyone on a motorway going in one direction and checking everything from car docs, vehicle condition, alcohol or drugs. Can't see that happening in Britain though it would gridlock the country! Other measures include the mandatory wearing of a high Vis jacket if you get out of your car on a road (puncture etc)
Anything that reduces the carnage has to be a good thing.
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Hi all.
Regarding the original question, this may be a new device that is coming into Police service.
Not only do new devices detect alcohol but now via breath drugs as well.... ie illegal drugs ie canabis etc.
I would imagine they are testing new units... thats my guess.
I may be wrong... but hey ho !!
Ploppy :y :y :D :D
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I think the limit for DD is fine, but need a lot more education for tired driving.
OTT speed checking also causes tiredness
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Not sure if there is a new machine or not but the ,bag, i blew into last week looked different to any other ive had to blow in. Was asked by the officer if i'd had a drink to which i replied yes ive just had a pint, came back clear so now having words with my local landlord about watering down his beer ;D ;D
On a serious note i think the limit is fine as it is many will disagree but the majority of accidents aren't caused by people being just above the leagal limit usually they are two to three times over, whether that be at the time or 'The Morning After'
I drive for a living and to me a pint and half is the max and definatley no sssion the night before. :y
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I can say yes 100% there is new machines being tested but dont know the forces that are testing it. :y
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Surely it's easier not to drink and drive and to remember that after consuming alcohol 'the night before’ some level in excess of the current limit may remain in the body.
Zero tolerance in terms of blood/alcohol levels in the bloodstream doesn't really work due to the way individuals metabolise alcohol and how the body naturally produces chemicals that can be detected my measuring equipment even though the subject may not have been drinking alcohol.
I think there would also be a legal consideration here that demands a degree of tolerance to be applied as any measuring equipment used in this way can't be guaranteed to be accurate 100% of the time on each and every occasion.
I consider personal transport to be a privilege not a right so therefore obey the current traffic regulations insofar as I knowingly can. When I had to take prescription drugs I didn’t drive, I don’t use a cellular telephone or have it switched on when driving, I keep to the speed limits and don’t drink and drive – that to me is a price worth paying to have the right to drive wherever and whenever I want and not provide an overt threat to either myself or other road users.
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I don’t use a cellular telephone or have it switched on when driving, I keep to the speed limits and don’t drink and drive – .....
Did Adam Ant write a song about you? ::)
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Lowering the drink drive level wont make much odds.
Reality is that most drink drivers are already well over the current limits and hence they clearly dont think its an issue.
If you lower the limit then do you think these people will stop......I doubt it.
And zero is not an option, totaly unworkable in a real world
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And zero is not an option, totaly unworkable in a real world
Indeed. There's even a 20mg limit used to check pilots so if you are of the opinion that there should be a zero limit think carefully about your next holiday destination!
The fact is, we have a culture where people drink alcohol. That's not a bad thing, IMHO. There will always be people driving, etc. with some alcohol in their system "the morning after" in such a culture so a suitably high limit needs to be in place to ensure that the dangerous are detected while normal life can continue.
The key to safety is to ensure that those who offend are caught, taken off the roads and stay off the roads.
The level of policing on our roads currently means that, unless you happen to have an accident, drink driving, or driving while banned for drink driving, goes largely undetected.
Kevin
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I don’t use a cellular telephone or have it switched on when driving, I keep to the speed limits and don’t drink and drive – .....
Did Adam Ant write a song about you? ::)
I'm not sure Andy as the only thing I remember about Adam Ant is the thigh boots :-* :-*.
Insofar as my apparent gutlessness in adhering to traffic regulations is concerned that's down to self preservation (amongst other things) as a contravention would cost me more than just a financial penalty.
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"don't drink, don't smoke,.....what do you do???"
Goody two shoes.....Adam Ant.
FYI.................. [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]
Mike.
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"don't drink, don't smoke,.....what do you do???"
Goody two shoes.....Adam Ant.
FYI.................. [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]
Mike.
;) ;) ;) ;)
That's the one Mike ..... :y
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"don't drink, don't smoke,.....what do you do???"
Goody two shoes.....Adam Ant.
FYI.................. [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]
Mike.
;) ;) ;) ;)
That's the one Mike ..... :y
I think that describes me to a tee A [smiley=engel017.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif] ;D ;D ;D - although many would disagree ;) ;)
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I think that describes me to a tee A [smiley=engel017.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif] ;D ;D ;D - although many would disagree ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D ;) :y
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just done a little digging at t'internet........
It seems Manchester and Midlands Constabularies are trialling a new breathalyser................due in service in December, just in time for the annual Xmas purge on drink-driving! No details, but does not require mouth contact, and also detects drugs in the breath too...........