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Title: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 June 2010, 13:31:01
Christmas dinner in my garden.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Birds/DSCF0651.jpg)

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Birds/DSCF0649.jpg)


then spotted new years lunch on top of the garage

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Birds/DSCF0656.jpg)

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Birds/DSCF0657.jpg)

Wonder if I ought to grow my own veggies now.   :-? :-?
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 13:36:19
MMM!

Pigeon breast pie....delish!!!

(and anybody turning up their nose in disgust now just has to try it, you will change your mind.)

I know I live in the Forest, but............................
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 June 2010, 13:53:42
For the last three years ......we have eaten chicken .....rather than.... that dry... tasteless.... lump of poultry......called a turkey.... :y :y.....Much better.... ;)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Peachy on 15 June 2010, 13:57:48
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For the last three years ......we have eaten chicken .....rather than.... that dry... tasteless.... lump of poultry......called a turkey.... :y :y.....Much better.... ;)

You are cooking it all wrong IMO.
Turkey is  THE meat of any chef on Xmas day.
For s start try lengthning the cooking time and butter baste it, not cheap HAPPY SHOPPER butter, but a good old fashioned salted butter from a good deli like CROSSWOODS, and rest assured you WILL change your mind.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 June 2010, 14:01:02
And cook it breast down.....yum
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: PhilRich on 15 June 2010, 14:02:31
Pigeon was a staple meat of choice for a large percentage of the population until well after the 2nd World War, I wonder why it went out of fashion/favour? :-/
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 14:04:10
Absolutely. as an ex-cook myself, turkey is always best done slowly and basted well, with  plenty of looks in the oven to check, and GOOD butter.
Di, couldn't agree with you more. a good well done slow roasted turkey beats a "tesco" or similar "basted" turkey or chicken every time.
(guess who has to cook xmas dinner every year since I opened my mouth one year and was told to cook it myself if I could do better??)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 June 2010, 14:42:50
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For the last three years ......we have eaten chicken .....rather than.... that dry... tasteless.... lump of poultry......called a turkey.... :y :y.....Much better.... ;)

and I thought you knew your birds opti.

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And cook it breast down.....yum

Cant fault you mark.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 June 2010, 15:40:03
Where is your air rifle Skruntie?  Were they the last pictures of those living birds? :D :D :D

Beats going to the supermarket when the food comes to you 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 16:13:19
No good lizzie..... from experience I can tell you that FOUR birds' breasts will just about make a decent pie.
Oh, and a nice red onion, some thyme, a vegetable oxo cube, and a couple of nice carrots. Bake for about 2 hrs at 120, gas mk 3, and paint the top of the pie with an egg wash, not forgetting to make a little slit in the top to let it vent. Serve with jersey royal potatoes and peas, with a little onion seasoned gravy, followed with real rice pudding with nutmeg and a splash of cinnamon.

Lovely!!

Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 June 2010, 16:17:54
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No good lizzie..... from experience I can tell you that FOUR birds' breasts will just about make a decent pie.
Oh, and a nice red onion, some thyme, a vegetable oxo cube, and a couple of nice carrots. Bake for about 2 hrs at 120, gas mk 3, and paint the top of the pie with an egg wash, not forgetting to make a little slit in the top to let it vent. Serve with jersey royal potatoes and peas, with a little onion seasoned gravy, followed with real rice pudding with nutmeg and a splash of cinnamon.

Lovely!!

Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P


Now Mike you have just made me very hungry, and I do not usually like poultry!! ::) ::) :D :D :D :D

I think I could make an exception though.  Fresh game, cooked as you suggest mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-* :-* :-* :-*.  Skruntie will just have to do some more hunting for further lunch birds :D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Richie London on 15 June 2010, 16:18:56
never tried pigeon, is it nice? im not a lover of turkey, or pork to be honest. but i do fancy trying the crocodile meat and bison they sell in makros now. its a bit expesnisive. has anyone tried any of them.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 16:24:47
Yeah, slow roasted Bison is lovely albeit a bit rich. Crocodile is similar to Mutton or old pork, but nice done with a good sauce. Try Kangaroo.....very tasty. Oh, and the very best.........Ostrich, roasted and basted like a good turkey.....with 4 good veg (steamed, and al-dente) with a nice chicken stock...........now I'm hungry too, Lizzie!
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 16:27:21
Reckon Di and me could open a nice bistro or small specialized menu restuarant in wales somewhere!!

share the cooking, and about 40 covers would be manageable, witha nice menu using fresh veg and specialized meat dishes with my mum's puddings.......Mmmmm..........(thinks....)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 June 2010, 16:29:42
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Reckon Di and me could open a nice bistro or small specialized menu restuarant in wales somewhere!!

share the cooking, and about 40 covers would be manageable, witha nice menu using fresh veg and specialized meat dishes with my mum's puddings.......Mmmmm..........(thinks....)


I used to live in Thornbury Mike, so what a pity I still don't! :'( :'( :'(

We could have had a threesome - er, for cooking of course!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 15 June 2010, 16:31:16
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Reckon Di and me could open a nice bistro or small specialized menu restuarant in wales somewhere!!

share the cooking, and about 40 covers would be manageable, witha nice menu using fresh veg and specialized meat dishes with my mum's puddings.......Mmmmm..........(thinks....)


I used to live in Thornbury Mike, so what a pity I still don't! :'( :'( :'(

We could have had a threesome - er, for cooking of course!! ;D ;D ;D ;)

My aunty is still in Thornbury (knapp road).....small world!

Pity you all live so far apart, up for an evening meal for OOfers, happy to cook and play host...............one day...
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 15 June 2010, 17:01:28
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Reckon Di and me could open a nice bistro or small specialized menu restuarant in wales somewhere!!

share the cooking, and about 40 covers would be manageable, witha nice menu using fresh veg and specialized meat dishes with my mum's puddings.......Mmmmm..........(thinks....)


I used to live in Thornbury Mike, so what a pity I still don't! :'( :'( :'(

We could have had a threesome - er, for cooking of course!! ;D ;D ;D ;)

My aunty is still in Thornbury (knapp road).....small world!

Pity you all live so far apart, up for an evening meal for OOfers, happy to cook and play host...............one day...

It is Mike, with us living off Siblands in Jubilee Drive! :D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Varche on 15 June 2010, 20:26:00
I have just hatched 10 out of 11 ring neck pheasants today so might be having a brace for Xmas lunch!

delicious. :y

Where we lived as kids, some locals used to climb trees and tie young stoggies(wood pigeons) to the nest and go back when they were big enough to eat.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 June 2010, 20:47:04
I put a bird feeder and bird bath in the garden about a month ago, seen no activity bt the bath so am wondering if the water is too deep for then, but the feeder is doing well now they are used to it.  4 yellow finch's all come and feed a few times aday, and last week when it was humid there was some very fine rain so all the insects gathered under a row of sycamore trees at the bottom of the garden and there were about 40 swallows feeding off them, it was like watching the battle of briain with them swooping in to feed, then in the back deeper into the trees there was a squirel jumping from branch to branch.

I need to learn more about my camera, I cant seem to take the shots fast enough, time will tell though.

All I saw at the last place I lived were blackbirds and starlings.

Here I have seen the pigeons, yellow finch's, swallows, partridge, magpies, crows, partridge, pheasant, peacocks and a hawk.  Have only been here a year.

Plus I have a horse, a ram, 2 sheep that come over to the fence for a feed and often find chickens in the garden (they never leave any rent though) there have also been the farmers rabbits running lose all ofer the place and have allready found evidence of a fox that's visted the garden.

So might get some good shots one day.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Gaffers on 15 June 2010, 21:09:20
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Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P

.177 is better, flatter trajectory and higher velocity which means the pellet penetrates deep and you can be more accurate  :y
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 15 June 2010, 23:25:16
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Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P

.177 is better, flatter trajectory and higher velocity which means the pellet penetrates deep and you can be more accurate  :y

I know you know your stuff, but surely depends on the .22 and the type of pellet
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Gaffers on 16 June 2010, 00:19:31
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Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P

.177 is better, flatter trajectory and higher velocity which means the pellet penetrates deep and you can be more accurate  :y

I know you know your stuff, but surely depends on the .22 and the type of pellet

I shoulld have added the caveat to my earlier post of the assumption that the two rifles would have the same lb/ft2 power rating.  pellet type?  Well as long as it's a proper lead pellet it makes little difference compared to the calibre and power.  Get a good .177 rifle rated at the legal 12 lb/ft2 power limit and i guarantee that you can hit any quarry, in the kill zone, upto 25m easily.  With a .22 at that distance you will have more bend in the trajectory thus making hitting the target more difficult.

Then again, I use a .22 rated at 10 lb/ft2 and dispatch quarry cleanly up to 20m.  Unfortunately, due to the mechanism it wont allow better accuracy than that.  ::)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 16 June 2010, 01:18:47
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Now where's MY .22 rifle................... :P :P :P

.177 is better, flatter trajectory and higher velocity which means the pellet penetrates deep and you can be more accurate  :y

I know you know your stuff, but surely depends on the .22 and the type of pellet

I shoulld have added the caveat to my earlier post of the assumption that the two rifles would have the same lb/ft2 power rating.  pellet type?  Well as long as it's a proper lead pellet it makes little difference compared to the calibre and power.  Get a good .177 rifle rated at the legal 12 lb/ft2 power limit and i guarantee that you can hit any quarry, in the kill zone, upto 25m easily.  With a .22 at that distance you will have more bend in the trajectory thus making hitting the target more difficult.

Then again, I use a .22 rated at 10 lb/ft2 and dispatch quarry cleanly up to 20m.  Unfortunately, due to the mechanism it wont allow better accuracy than that.  ::)

I keep fancying annother riffle but having owned one since i was 18, think I had an underlever one.  BSA Mercury or airsporter seems to ring a bell but it's that long since and was quite a heavy riffle.  Borrowed a  Weihrauch HW77 quite a while back, and whilst messing arround I shot a bird at quite a distance over on some pylon wires, hit the poor thing with the 1st shot, my old riffle the pellet wouldnt have even got there which is why I didnt think I would hit the bird in the first place.  Nice riffle though, not as good as the .410 and the 12 bore that I had a go with though.  and the highlight for me was a 5 shot pump action shotgun which are now completly illegal, great for ratting rond the pig farm where we were.  8-)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 16 June 2010, 10:06:55
My own kit is a pre-charged Falcon 8 shot .22  at 12ft/lb with a carbon fibre silencer and a 4-18x 60 german night scope with a lightened stock and laser gunlight. good for 40yds with a relatively flat trajectory due to prometheus non lead pellets 40 shots from an air fill, or my CO2 powered 25ft/lb (FAC) 8 shot custom rifle with 3-12x56 super moonlighter scope and mannlincher silencer on a .25 calibre. Proper recoil and total accuracy with that, but only 20 shots from a full charge. Will not shoot anything I am not prepared to skin/pluck/eat that day or next.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 16 June 2010, 11:41:55
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My own kit is a pre-charged Falcon 8 shot .22  at 12ft/lb with a carbon fibre silencer and a 4-18x 60 german night scope with a lightened stock and laser gunlight. good for 40yds with a relatively flat trajectory due to prometheus non lead pellets 40 shots from an air fill, or my CO2 powered 25ft/lb (FAC) 8 shot custom rifle with 3-12x56 super moonlighter scope and mannlincher silencer on a .25 calibre. Proper recoil and total accuracy with that, but only 20 shots from a full charge. Will not shoot anything I am not prepared to skin/pluck/eat that day or next.

Like the sound of those.

I back onto a farm yard and am tempted to ask the farmers permission if I can shoot on it. Would only go for vermin though, but would love to go bak to the days of rat hunting with a 5  shot pump action 12 gauge.   ::)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Terbs on 16 June 2010, 11:57:53
I wish someone would come round here with a .22 gun. I live on a rural estate with load of trees and greenery and we are absolutely plagued with Woodpigeons. They are every where, breeding like the clappers.
Unfortunately, although a beautiful bird, the Red Kite is becoming a pest round here too. :(
Due to people putting out food for them (as well as for pigeons) it is not unusual to have up to FIFTEEN Red Kites swooping down into gardens. And they are BIG  :o
The Kites and pigeons seem to have no fear and seem intent on committing Hari-Kari by flying low level up the roads.
Its a shame Kites don't eat Pigeons.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 16 June 2010, 12:05:31
Put me up for the night and I will remove them all for you................
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Terbs on 16 June 2010, 12:12:32
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Put me up for the night and I will remove them all for you................

Awwww.....if only  :y
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Gaffers on 16 June 2010, 18:49:03
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My own kit is a pre-charged Falcon 8 shot .22  at 12ft/lb with a carbon fibre silencer and a 4-18x 60 german night scope with a lightened stock and laser gunlight. good for 40yds with a relatively flat trajectory due to prometheus non lead pellets 40 shots from an air fill, or my CO2 powered 25ft/lb (FAC) 8 shot custom rifle with 3-12x56 super moonlighter scope and mannlincher silencer on a .25 calibre. Proper recoil and total accuracy with that, but only 20 shots from a full charge. Will not shoot anything I am not prepared to skin/pluck/eat that day or next.

Nice pair!  ::) ::) ;D

Seriously I wish I could get some like that.  I have always fancied a 12 ft/lb CO2 air rifle but having a wife who is quite anti guns I only get away with what I have because I owned it before I knew her...plus it is technically an antique (Diana Model 50.22)  8-)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Terbs on 16 June 2010, 22:24:14
 :o :o :o

Struth....I can't remember seeing Diana guns since I had one in the late fifties !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 16 June 2010, 22:48:55
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My own kit is a pre-charged Falcon 8 shot .22  at 12ft/lb with a carbon fibre silencer and a 4-18x 60 german night scope with a lightened stock and laser gunlight. good for 40yds with a relatively flat trajectory due to prometheus non lead pellets 40 shots from an air fill, or my CO2 powered 25ft/lb (FAC) 8 shot custom rifle with 3-12x56 super moonlighter scope and mannlincher silencer on a .25 calibre. Proper recoil and total accuracy with that, but only 20 shots from a full charge. Will not shoot anything I am not prepared to skin/pluck/eat that day or next.

Nice pair!  ::) ::) ;D

Seriously I wish I could get some like that.  I have always fancied a 12 ft/lb CO2 air rifle but having a wife who is quite anti guns I only get away with what I have because I owned it before I knew her...plus it is technically an antique (Diana Model 50.22)  8-)

I think I will be having one with in the next 18 months, but there is so much choice and I dont have a clue where to start.  Plus I shoot left hand (even though I am right handed  :-/ )
  gotta have a decent scope and silencer though. ::)
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Peachy on 16 June 2010, 22:54:54
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Struth....I can't remember seeing Diana guns since I had one in the late fifties !!!!!!!!!!!

My brother has a Diana SP50 Pistol and an old BSA Super Meteor if they make any sense
Beyond me.
Title: Re: Just spotted
Post by: Sixstring on 17 June 2010, 09:18:00
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My own kit is a pre-charged Falcon 8 shot .22  at 12ft/lb with a carbon fibre silencer and a 4-18x 60 german night scope with a lightened stock and laser gunlight. good for 40yds with a relatively flat trajectory due to prometheus non lead pellets 40 shots from an air fill, or my CO2 powered 25ft/lb (FAC) 8 shot custom rifle with 3-12x56 super moonlighter scope and mannlincher silencer on a .25 calibre. Proper recoil and total accuracy with that, but only 20 shots from a full charge. Will not shoot anything I am not prepared to skin/pluck/eat that day or next.

Nice pair!  ::) ::) ;D

Seriously I wish I could get some like that.  I have always fancied a 12 ft/lb CO2 air rifle but having a wife who is quite anti guns I only get away with what I have because I owned it before I knew her...plus it is technically an antique (Diana Model 50.22)  8-)

I think I will be having one with in the next 18 months, but there is so much choice and I dont have a clue where to start.  Plus I shoot left hand (even though I am right handed  :-/ )  gotta have a decent scope and silencer though. ::)


Me too, its not a problem, loads of ambidexterous guns available, or ones with cheek pieces that are not that prominent. Have reprofiled mine, but you can buy l/h stocks really cheaply on t'internet too........