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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 22 June 2010, 14:53:32
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All seems reasonable enough.
http://money.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=153872096
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I thought so too. Shame about VAT but it was to be expected in the circumstances. I would like to have seen the welfare state rolled back much more, but its a start. :y
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Indeed, a very sensible budget.
When VAT went to 15% for no good reason for a year it was obvious that it would ahve to go upto 20 at some point.
I wonder what Labour would have done during the downturn if they still had 4+ years left in.....woudl they still have spent stupid amounts or made similar hard decisions
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Probably went cap in hand to the IMF just as they did last time they destroyed the economy. ;)
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I was expecting him to say summat about the amount that is spent on DLA.
If he had his way all DLA Claimants would still be using these......
http://www.motoringpicturelibrary.com/docs/pic1110c.jpg
How many people would want one of them, and how many dealerships would close their doors if that were the case.
Does not bear thinking about.
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
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so petrols going up again!!!
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
I totally agree with you Albs.
There are far to many people abusing the DLA in my opinion.
I know of a close neighbour who uses her mam's DLA car to travel to work in Cardiff every day, absolute shambles.
There will be uproar about that, but if you have nothing to hide then why worry.
Just a shame it is going to be three years before he brings it in, what is wrong with TOMORROW.
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Indeed, a very sensible budget.
When VAT went to 15% for no good reason for a year it was obvious that it would ahve to go upto 20 at some point.
I wonder what Labour would have done during the downturn if they still had 4+ years left in.....woudl they still have spent stupid amounts or made similar hard decisions
I wonder what Labour would have done during the downturn if they still had 4+ years left in
Whatever was best for the Labour Party and their cohorts I would have thought.
woudl they still have spent stupid amounts
Probably, self-preservation (in government) is a wonderful incentive.
made similar hard decisions
In selected areas quite possibly - with the explanation that the fault for taking any draconian measures lay firmly at the feet of the last Thatcher administration and the Banking sector.
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was panicking car tax rules were going to change! means my 3.2 mig is still only £24 more than our 1.6 zafira to tax!!!
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
My old neighber was one them.
But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.
Like Tax and Vat. it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get. Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
My old neighber was one them.
But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.
Like Tax and Vat. it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get. Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.
Well said Phil, never a truer word spoken. :y :y
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
My old neighber was one them.
But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.
Like Tax and Vat. it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get. Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.
All 'moves' that display the unsavoury aspect of human nature Mr S of self before everything - however, I'm bound to agree with, and indeed echo your comments :y
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It's like the grant system for a business, if they dont use the whole grant they get less the next year, if they use it all they get the same, Idealy it should be reduced yearly as ititial spending has been done.
A company I saw once was reapplying for a grant, they then realised they had quite a bank balance and it was the actual money left over from last years grant.
To get rid of it the bought 3 solid wood desks and captains leather chars, 6 brand computer systems with printers etc, all new laptops. and this was after buying 3 brand new show guns - all this just to obtain a grant renewal.
if this had been a structured grant and reduced yearly then how much would the government have saved. and if structured the same for everyone then how many £M's or even £B's would have been saved.
My point is simple. Why take it off the worker when the Government cant manage themselves any way, there is so much waste with in the government and councel system, plus then allowing the banks to rule themselves into ruin but sadly those who didnt cause it have to pay for it.
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
My old neighber was one them.
But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.
Like Tax and Vat. it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get. Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.
All 'moves' that display the unsavoury aspect of human nature Mr S of self before everything - however, I'm bound to agree with, and indeed echo your comments :y
Thing is Zulu, selfishness starts for many different reasons, one starts, others join in, sadly a lot of it starts from jealousy. (more often the Smith v the Jones neighber issues - and wanting to do better for one's self (sadly not allways legally))
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I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.
My old neighber was one them.
But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.
Like Tax and Vat. it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get. Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.
All 'moves' that display the unsavoury aspect of human nature Mr S of self before everything - however, I'm bound to agree with, and indeed echo your comments :y
Thing is Zulu, selfishness starts for many different reasons, one starts, others join in, sadly a lot of it starts from jealousy. (more often the Smith v the Jones neighber issues - and wanting to do better for one's self (sadly not allways legally))
DLA - Designer Label Allowance, sadly - people from all walks of life rich or poor will try to screw the system as much as they can - can you honestly tell me that someone scraping by on benefits and scamming a few extra quid is any better or worse than an MP being "flexible" with expenses, or the tax avoidance policies of large companies like Tesco's and Barclays? ::)
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Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different. ;)
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers. :y :y
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Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different. ;)
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers. :y :y
and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me ::))- seems they're quick to take, slower to give ::)
incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs :o
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I didn't think the tories went far enough - but then I guess they have a few more years to do it properly.
Remember, with the state that we are in now, even completely closing down the NHS entirely would only half the annual overspend.
Exact figures are difficult, due to political molesting of the stats, but NHS is annual cost of around £85bn, annual overspend (deficit) is around £170bn, and total UK debt is just over £900bn (thats around £15,000 for every man, woman and child in the UK (approx 60m))
I would have liked to have seen a slash in NHS budget - not to reduce services, but to finally get rid of the horrific waste and dead wood in the service. A massive slash in the welfare state - particularly for the long term unemployeed and the lazy sods who simply don't want to work (we all know some), a massive cut in all the daft, over complex benefit allowances, an increase in pension for current pensioners (but dwindling over time (decades) to encourage people to make their own arrangements), and increased help for short term unemployed to get a job.
I would also have liked to see all subsidised public transport canned, as it doesn't work in reality, and money is wasted purely to tick boxes.
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Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different. ;)
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers. :y :y
and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me ::))- seems they're quick to take, slower to give ::)
incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs :o
In a word -- yes! Apart from freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ??? Get rid of front line workers -- naturally the overpaid box tickers at the top are safe !!!! >:( >:( >:(
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I am content ( can't say "happy" !) with the VAT rises ... after all the majority of a family spend (food & kids clothes) are unaffected.
Would like to have seen the "scroungers charter" tackled. The majority of benefits alterations have been aimed at those with kids and the upcoming DLA changes at the disabled ( OK some aren't really entitled, but we have to wait the four years for them to be weeded out) --- long term, habitual, "career" unemployed have got off scot-free! >:(
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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).
Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!
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Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different. ;)
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers. :y :y
and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me ::))- seems they're quick to take, slower to give ::)
incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs :o
They arent really taxpayer funded banks anymore. The share prices have gone past the threshold (certainly with Lloyds and RBS) whereby the gov. could sell their shares and get their money back, so we are actually now starting to see a return on our investment. ;)
The Gov. wont suddenly sell all the shares of course as that would flood the market and cause them to crash again, but they will probably drip feed some of the shares onto the market to bring in some revenue, and then at some point in the future sell the remainder for a nice healthy profit for the taxpayer - money well spent you see. ;)
As for spending money to save money - if we need to spend money to get the workshy and the breakless of thier arses and off the backs of the taxpayers then imo that would be the best long term investment the country could make.
Personally I would round them up stick them all on a remote island somwhere off the coast and forget about them. :)
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I think one of the biggest screw ups was dropping the mortgage interest rate as low as they did.
Yes it made for more people wanting to get on the ladder ffor thier 1st home and others to move up th ladder, the good things were the building trade took off, this in turn upped demand in the transport and supply train. In turn more money in the houshold kitty, more spending, better buying power for shops meant cheaper prices and expansion, with more jobs etc etc
But in reality, what has the lower mortgage rate prooved, yes it got people off the dole and into work, till the work ran out, people started to live within thier means but have not anticipated mortgage increases. etc etc.
The governent allowed this low interest rate and as a short term thing it was good, long term I believe this has been part and parcel of the problems we are now having to pay off.
They are all full of excuses, and no matter what they get right they will allways get plenty wrong, allways have done and allways will.
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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).
Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!
Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.
Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!
Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!
Everything depends on where you look.
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Didn't see anything to make the banks start lending again. That would help the economy.
BANKS LEND MONEY.
Didn't see anything to reverse the much maligned Labour tax raid on pensions (perhaps the Tories have conveniently forgotten how they whittled on and on about that)
Also not too happy about having to work till I am 120 years old! ;D ;D ;D
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Disabled drivers - I live next to one.
Got a hinge type knee joint, and has to have a tall car to get in and out of.
He was shot quite a few years ago in it.
Ex military
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Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different. ;)
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers. :y :y
and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me ::))- seems they're quick to take, slower to give ::)
incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs :o
They arent really taxpayer funded banks anymore. The share prices have gone past the threshold (certainly with Lloyds and RBS) whereby the gov. could sell their shares and get their money back, so we are actually now starting to see a return on our investment. ;)
The Gov. wont suddenly sell all the shares of course as that would flood the market and cause them to crash again, but they will probably drip feed some of the shares onto the market to bring in some revenue, and then at some point in the future sell the remainder for a nice healthy profit for the taxpayer - money well spent you see. ;)
As for spending money to save money - if we need to spend money to get the workshy and the breakless of thier arses and off the backs of the taxpayers then imo that would be the best long term investment the country could make.
Personally I would round them up stick them all on a remote island somwhere off the coast and forget about them. :)
money well spent you see
Should we congratulate the former Primie Minister on his foresight in this case A? :-/ :-/
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Didn't see anything to make the banks start lending again. That would help the economy.
BANKS LEND MONEY.
Didn't see anything to reverse the much maligned Labour tax raid on pensions (perhaps the Tories have conveniently forgotten how they whittled on and on about that)
Also not too happy about having to work till I am 120 years old! ;D ;D ;D
BANKS LEND MONEY.
Undoubtedly so V, but it must be paid back - can this very necessary part of the equation be relied upon now and in the future?
Part of this financial problem rests with the banks having previously lent money hand over fist - apparently when allowing a rather lax risk assessment culture to flourish - can they now be depended upon to learn from past mistakes?
Sometimes the availability of ready money is a bad thing.
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and now the scamming starts with the emails.
Have_a SocialSecurity disability_claim? :-/
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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).
Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!
Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.
Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!
Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!
Everything depends on where you look.
In general, most public sector workers have seen above average rises in the last 3yrs. This simply isn't sustainable. Who is going to pay for it?
The company I work for saw a 20% drop in profits a couple of years back. In laymans terms, that means that 20% of the staff had to go. No questions, no complaining, thats the private sector. Even though there is now more work to be done that there was before.
Mrs TB, who works in the motor trade, which has been through a particularly rough time because New Labour had their hearts set on destroying all British industry, and the business secretary was a corrupt little scumbag, in effect has to work almost one extra day a week for no extra pay. In effect, around a 17% decrease in hourly pay.
Then we see see the likes on Unite complaining their public sector members only being offered 2% (iirc) last year - I know they have that retarded pillock Woodley heading them up, but even so, surely these people must understand reality - the 'company' is losing £175bn a year. Harsh staffing decisions are needed, and a massive increase in efficiency.
Lets face it, downturns happen every 10-15yrs, hopefully not as severe as this last one. We need to be saving money during the non-recession years. So we have 10-15yrs to make back that £900bn. Currently, the savings projected by this budget are in the region of £30bn a year, and national debt in 2015 will still be over £700bn.
The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient. Or should we bankrupt the country?
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I think some peeps are getting DLA mixed up with Incapacity Benefit, now called ESA either way Long Term Sick, which is much abused. This is what he wants medicals for....
People may get DLA, or the mobility component of it anyway and be in full time employment as a lot are....
I was expecting much worse to be honest, though looks like no pay rise for a while.... ::)
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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!
Hey ho ... c'est la vie
I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!! Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!
Hey ho ... c'est la vie
I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!! Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/
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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).
Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!
Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.
Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!
Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!
Everything depends on where you look.
In general, most public sector workers have seen above average rises in the last 3yrs. This simply isn't sustainable. Who is going to pay for it?
The company I work for saw a 20% drop in profits a couple of years back. In laymans terms, that means that 20% of the staff had to go. No questions, no complaining, thats the private sector. Even though there is now more work to be done that there was before.
Mrs TB, who works in the motor trade, which has been through a particularly rough time because New Labour had their hearts set on destroying all British industry, and the business secretary was a corrupt little scumbag, in effect has to work almost one extra day a week for no extra pay. In effect, around a 17% decrease in hourly pay.
Then we see see the likes on Unite complaining their public sector members only being offered 2% (iirc) last year - I know they have that retarded pillock Woodley heading them up, but even so, surely these people must understand reality - the 'company' is losing £175bn a year. Harsh staffing decisions are needed, and a massive increase in efficiency.
Lets face it, downturns happen every 10-15yrs, hopefully not as severe as this last one. We need to be saving money during the non-recession years. So we have 10-15yrs to make back that £900bn. Currently, the savings projected by this budget are in the region of £30bn a year, and national debt in 2015 will still be over £700bn.
The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient. Or should we bankrupt the country?
The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient
I would certainly agree with that but I fear that the present government and the next one (at least) have been, and will be, ham-strung by the expectation of those who in the past have either made their living from the state or who have depended upon it for benefits.
I think this problem goes far beyond the stark financial state the country presently faces however.
It's also about the endemic breakdown in personal responsibility;
The expectation by many of their being taken care of by the state - irrespective of their contribution;
The culture of the introspective and of the 'couldn't give a monkeys';
The belief that someone else will always sort the problem out and therefore there's no need to worry about anything;
The desire to partake in the materialistic and 'finer' aspects of modern life without working to gain the means necessary to achieve that goal;
The wholesale disrespect by many for the institutions of the state (also by members of that very state);
Finally, for the moment, the current trend that many people seem to rest more readily in the culture of celebrity and of the make-believe than in the harsh world of personal, fiscal and social responsibility and respect for the nation and its citizens.
bankrupt the country
Thanks to the culture of excess exhibited by the many, the dismal failure of recent government, the loss of national pride, the acceptance that other unelected bodies have a right to dictate policy - we, as a nation, are already bankrupt: Bankrupt in ideas, bankrupt in morality, bankrupt in personal responsibility and shortly perhaps, bankrupt in fact.
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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!
Hey ho ... c'est la vie
I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!! Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/
Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.
Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.
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Zulu, old bean, I apologise if I am sounding a bit "me, me, me", but the £7k loss is merely one of a few missiles to strike home at the same time :-/
So, for a few hours at least, I and my family are the centre of my world ::)
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Zulu, old bean, I apologise if I am sounding a bit "me, me, me", but the £7k loss is merely one of a few missiles to strike home at the same time :-/
So, for a few hours at least, I and my family are the centre of my world ::)
Your Holiness, I speak of the national condition in general The fact that you have 'given' to the state - like myself and others, permits you to have a wee bitch about this in clear and justifiable conscience.
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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!
Hey ho ... c'est la vie
I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!! Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/
Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.
Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.
and I think a lot of companies, sectors, departments etc are are also using this as an excuse, primarily to save money and maybe spend else where but also to force a situation where some people will simply find other jobs and saving them payments in thier budgets rather han lose it to redundencues if they really cut back.
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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!
Hey ho ... c'est la vie
I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!! Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/
Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.
Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.
and I think a lot of companies, sectors, departments etc are are also using this as an excuse, primarily to save money and maybe spend else where but also to force a situation where some people will simply find other jobs and saving them payments in thier budgets rather han lose it to redundencues if they really cut back.
Quite agree, both public and private sector, if you don't like it......... :(
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Sadly you dont get paid what you are worth anymore, if you dont like it then leave and we will replace you is thier attitude these days.
Oh, and the boses take that attitude, why coz it funds thier performance related bonus (That they dont need and didnt earn) as some one posted a few weeks ago about a councel, there were so many boses earning mega bucks between them. :-X
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Sadly you dont get paid what you are worth anymore, if you dont like it then leave and we will replace you is thier attitude these days.
Oh, and the boses take that attitude, why coz it funds thier performance related bonus (That they dont need and didnt earn) as some one posted a few weeks ago about a councel, there were so many boses earning mega bucks between them. :-X
So true, and the amount of non jobs is incredible, then there are the jobs to gather stats for a number of government departments, oh and crap computer systems, stop me before I get into one....... >:( >:( >:(