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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Amigo on 05 July 2010, 23:03:54
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I admit i got the bang hump a while ago when the issue was rife The majority had to bow down to the over sensitive minority. So despite my mithering at the time i no longer use the word "break" nor do i use **'s to "cover" a naughty word for a few months now proving the age old adage wrong that swearing represents a lack of vocabulary or intellect & have adjusted my posts accordingly & reluctantly. Swearing is on telly now & even if it's "beeped" we know what's really being said, so why is there still swearing on here ie "taking the piss"? & more.
I don't care either way but can we make our minds up please? ::)
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I admit i got the bang hump a while ago when the issue was rife The majority had to bow down to the over sensitive minority. So despite my mithering at the time i no longer use the word "break" nor do i use **'s to "cover" a naughty word for a few months now proving the age old adage wrong that swearing represents a lack of vocabulary or intellect & have adjusted my posts accordingly & reluctantly. Swearing is on telly now & even if it's "beeped" we know what's really being said, so why is there still swearing on here ie "taking the piss"? & more.
I don't care either way but can we make our minds up please? ::)
Yep... sadly.....total boll###s in my opinion... :)
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Hmmmm, it's a moot point but IMHO a bit of 'swearing' helps get the mood of the message over? I don't mean really filthy 'gutter' language, there's no need for that at all, but earthy language is part & parcel of daily life and dare I say it, 'normal' vocabulary? I appreciate that there are people who don't swear & have never used 'bad' language, & there are some who may/will find it offensive, but where do you draw the line to suit everyone? :-?
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Agreed on the 'lack of vocab' and also on not caring either way (as long as the poster suffers from the afore mentioned 'lack of vocab' and really needs to emphasise an emotion/statement etc.)
Just as a matter of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/break
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Agree with Guy too
There was such a big huhar on here the other week over the matter, yet there have been many postings since with swearing in, and the greatest swearer in OOF history is back (yet again!!!) to another big fanfare.....
Bit of consistency maybe?
:-? :-? :-?
:y :y
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I admit i got the bang hump a while ago when the issue was rife The majority had to bow down to the over sensitive minority. So despite my mithering at the time i no longer use the word "break" nor do i use **'s to "cover" a naughty word for a few months now proving the age old adage wrong that swearing represents a lack of vocabulary or intellect & have adjusted my posts accordingly & reluctantly. Swearing is on telly now & even if it's "beeped" we know what's really being said, so why is there still swearing on here ie "taking the piss"? & more.
I don't care either way but can we make our minds up please? ::)
Yep... sadly.....total boll###s in my opinion... :)
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do you get special dispensation for having tourrettes?
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I haven't seen recent inconsistency, I must admit, but I've been busy for the last couple of weeks and haven't read a great proportion of what's been posted - so if there are specific instances of over-or-under moderation that you are not happy with please feel free to notify the admin team. We can't always keep up with 100% of what is posted so keeping the forum consistent is partially down to to originators of the content, not just those who moderate it!
IMHO there are probably 3 categories of words:
1) Those which we absolutely won't permit in any context.
2) Those which, depending on the context, may be seen to add colour, impact or humour in some contexts and unnecessary profanity in others. They may be inoffensive when used in general but highly offensive when directed at another member or a minority, for example.
3) Those which are OK in all contexts.
Most "colourful" words on the forum fit into category 2. This means that context is very important in most decisions we make when moderating, so the decision is not a black and white one and, whilst we strive to be consistent, what immediately rings alarm bells for one mod might be missed by another.
We all know "the shed" and, therefore, an example of what happens when standards aren't applied at all. I hope the majority of us prefer the status quo? ;)
Kevin
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i agree totally tbh, but...
if it makes life easier for Admin then i think we generally should follow the leed. We should be helping admin to help us a bit more....the tinkers. ;D
lets face it it cant be any fun coming on for a bit of oofing to find a pm box full moaning about this that and the other, then putting rules in place to find the other half of oof moaning about those same rules.
leave it be imo.
Awaits kiss arse comments from Esty et al. ;D
This was writren prior to Kevs post.
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I haven't seen recent inconsistency
Kevin
I have been out and about all weekend and tonight is the first night in 3 that I have been on OOF, already its easy to find at least one other thread where there is more than one occurence of bad language from regular members
Its ok saying there shouldnt be swearing on here, but this is what I meant by consistency.....
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Its ok saying there shouldnt be swearing on here, but this is what I meant by consistency.....
Who said that? Not me. ;)
Kevin
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
Twice now :o :o :o :o
F**d C****r
F**d F****a
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Its ok saying there shouldnt be swearing on here, but this is what I meant by consistency.....
Who said that? Not me. ;)
Kevin
No Kevin not you but the big debate was about the swearing and the offence it causes.....
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
Twice now :o :o :o :o
F**d C****r
F**d F****a
Ford ? :-/
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
Twice now :o :o :o :o
F**d C****r
F**d F****a
Ford ? :-/
You just swore!
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
Twice now :o :o :o :o
F**d C****r
F**d F****a
Ford ? :-/
Well the first one is definately Food Cooker, we got one of them ere too......
Second one I am not so sure about
;D ;D
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C****r
Chrysler? ;)
D'oh! Not enough stars. :(
Kevin
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So why not agree on some basic code words so to speak, tinker has been a common one whilst I have been on the forum, I use bugga a lot and maybe a handfull more should suffice, and if sorted and agreed then applied to a sticky and adhered to.
But think back, Steve left as the swearing thing was flaring up, the forum calmed down, he comes back - now look at the forum, all swearing again, Maybe it's all Steve's fault. ;D ;D
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I tend to use various amounts of *******s and then could mean anything you want them to.
Seen the following 4 letter F word tonight the F**d one
Twice now :o :o :o :o
F**d C****r
F**d F****a
Ford ? :-/
You just swore!
oh, ok, yes your right, sincere and deepest appologies, didn't nean to offend anyone, hopes not to be banned. :-[ ;D :y
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So why not agree on some basic code words so to speak, tinker has been a common one whilst I have been on the forum, I use bugga a lot and maybe a handfull more should suffice, and if sorted and agreed then applied to a sticky and adhered to.
But think back, Steve left as the swearing thing was flaring up, the forum calmed down, he comes back - now look at the forum, all swearing again, Maybe it's all Steve's fault. ;D ;D
What do you mean maybe..........?
Personally i dont mind swearing, its life, but a clear and concise message with policing would be the best way forward to stop this matter raising its head again and again
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What do you mean maybe..........?
Personally i dont mind swearing, its life, but a clear and concise message with policing would be the best way forward to stop this matter raising its head again and again
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How do you do that, though? The point I was trying to make is that, in most cases, context is important, so it's not about a list of words, it's about how they are used.
I could have sprinkled a few expletives in the above sentence and it would have been over the top in the context. Had the sentence been about my car throwing a rod on the way home from work, or a joke, then perhaps the same words would have added something useful to the meaning. Had it been a rant at another member it could have been considered offensive....
Kevin
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Kevin
But to an outsider like me isnt it as easy as Skruntie says?
That is to post up a sticky with acceptable swear words or plays on swear words then implementing a "3 strikes" policy to keep us all in check......?
There doesnt seem to be anything up to clearly define what is and isnt acceptable, and if the rules arent clear and enforced, people will push as far as they can......
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Got to agree with the general theme of Kevin's ditty here .......
Striking and implementing the right 'balance' is often a difficult task for our Admins.
We've got to have guidelines, and let us not forget that this is a 'public' site.
(And an excellent one at that!).
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Some may find the aforesaid unacceptable, but that's life!
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Kevin
But to an outsider like me isnt it as easy as Skruntie says?
That is to post up a sticky with acceptable swear words or plays on swear words then implementing a "3 strikes" policy to keep us all in check......?
There doesnt seem to be anything up to clearly define what is and isnt acceptable, and if the rules arent clear and enforced, people will push as far as they can......
But thats not the system so to speak it's a particular type of person. Hence guidlines and that kind of person will try to step outside of them to be awkward or prove a point.
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Couldn't give a Fiesta myself, what a load of old Couger. :P
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I know i started this post off but you may as well delete it. Everybody's idea of which word is offensive in whatever context it is used will differ. Why say break when we all know it means opps...sorry but a beep or asterisk covers what we know it really says & how the *****heck are the admins supposed to please everyone?
I suppose the over sensitive can't help it & 99% of us must pander to them. Unless i'm told different i'll continue not to swear or say break Or *** even if others do. ::)
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Got to agree with the general theme of Kevin's ditty here .......
Striking and implementing the right 'balance' is often a difficult task for our Admins.
We've got to have guidelines, and let us not forget that this is a 'public' site.
(And an excellent one at that!).
:y
Some may find the aforesaid unacceptable, but that's life!
;)
Generally the forum strikes a reasonble balnce, and if we are all honest the odd swear word is only used to understand someones mood, like today for example, richierich thinks he may get stung regards his wages, I would expect selective swear words somewhere in his conversation.
But the use of swear words and name calling in the STMO thread could be argued either way - Yes it was a bit of fun, but after a few weeks with out It I did'nt enjoy as I personally felt it was OTT
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You're confirming my thoughts Guy!
It's a pretty difficult task for the Admins in trying to strike the right balance here.
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I know i started this post off but you may as well delete it. Everybody's idea of which word is offensive in whatever context it is used will differ. Why say break when we all know it means blank...sorry but a beep or asterisk covers what we know it really says & how the *****heck are the admins supposed to please everyone?
I suppose the over sensitive can't help it & 99% of us must pander to them. Unless i'm told different i'll continue not to swear or say break Or *** even if others do. ::)
Any word used in an offensive way is out of order, as are a lot of direct swear words. and as you say guy, the asterick just blanks out the word, none of us are thick so in a way thats just bad.
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i think you should get the yellow card for bad language
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and the red for terrible jokes
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;)
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I think you'll find that I don't swear any more or less than most, except when talking to the pink one, when it cuts both ways, but we like it that way.
What I do is tend to make others swear ;D
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
I have watched Eddie Murphy films where when he swears it is funny. I wouldn't think it funny standing in a Pub and feeling asthough someone was swearing at me... there is a diffence.
STMO someone mentioned (like him or not, I personally do) comes across to me like an Eddie Murphy character funny & witty not offensive..
It is a difficult thing to try and keep a lid on being honest, I have altered a few posts then thought what is the point. We are all adults, we all know what are bad swear words so don't use them.
I complained about something once at a place I worked, the managers answer was, " If you don't like it, you know where the door is!"
I left.
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.....I complained about something once at a place I worked, the managers answer was, " If you don't like it, you know where the door is!"
.....I left.
Don`t let the door hit you in the back! :P
That`d be an OOF 'first'; an admin going-off in a huff! ;D
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
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I complained about something once at a place I worked, the managers answer was, " If you don't like it, you know where the door is!"I left.
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Was it on the closet? ;D
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i think you should get the yellow card for bad language
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and the red for terrible jokes
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj182/richierich1961/rote_karte.jpg)
;)
Richey? Why are you holding up Blue & Green cards? :-?
;) ;D ;D ;D :y
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
He didn't say he would call his nan anything, he said he would say it 'in front of' her.
Stop twisting the poor lads words, troublemaker. :-?
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
No I would not call my Nan a knobhead, but that is not what I said is it?
You have misread or misunderstood what I said..
I would on the otherhand say in front of my Nan knobhead....
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
No I would not call my Nan a knobhead, but that is not what I said is it?
You have misread or misunderstood what I said..
I would on the otherhand say in front of my Nan knobhead....
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I said that already, keep up dickbrain. ;D
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
No I would not call my Nan a knobhead, but that is not what I said is it?
You have misread or misunderstood what I said..
I would on the otherhand say in front of my Nan knobhead....
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I said that already, keep up dickbrain. ;D
A little patience please Pigface as I am on my mobile and its as bright as you lmao
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
No I would not call my Nan a knobhead, but that is not what I said is it?
You have misread or misunderstood what I said..
I would on the otherhand say in front of my Nan knobhead....
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I said that already, keep up dickbrain. ;D
A little patience please Pigface as I am on my mobile and its as bright as you lmao
Shouldn't you be getting that car done rather than arguing with the elderly? ;D
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This subject is starting to do my head in.....
Swearing is part of life yes, I swear as much as anyone but I don't think I say anything on here that I would not say in front of my Nan.... she would kill me.
I think for me that is a good way of reasoning what passes for me and what doesn't.
But would you call your Nan a knob head.?
No I would not call my Nan a knobhead, but that is not what I said is it?
You have misread or misunderstood what I said..
I would on the otherhand say in front of my Nan knobhead....
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I said that already, keep up dickbrain. ;D
A little patience please Pigface as I am on my mobile and its as bright as you lmao
Shouldn't you be getting that car done rather than arguing with the elderly? ;D
He's got a problem with it John. Just been on the blower asking my advice. I told him to go f*** himself, cause I'm helpful like that. ;D
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I'm sat here laughing like a drain, & our lass is saying, 'they're like a pack of kids! ::) Wimmin ::), they just don't get it do they? ;D ;D OW!!! Hey, give oOVER woman! :o
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I'm sat here laughing like a drain, & our lass is saying, 'they're like a pack of kids! ::) Wimmin ::), they just don't get it do they? ;D ;D OW!!! Hey, give oOVER woman! :o
Never a truer word said...................
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No-one on this forum HAS to swear ... you deliberately CHOOSE to swear.
The forum for the last few weeks has been a much nicer place as people "self moderated" and chose NOT to swear.
As to the idea that those who "can't" swear are being dictated to my the minority... farcical.. again proved by the last few weeks.
If you want to behave like a school boy in a toilet... go to "The Shed" .. they'll probably welcome you.
If you visit someone in their house .. you behave with a modicum of sense ... you are "visiting" every other forum member's house when you post .. why not show them just a little respect by behaving in a civilised manner ??
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No-one on this forum HAS to swear ... you deliberately CHOOSE to swear.
The forum for the last few weeks has been a much nicer place as people "self moderated" and chose NOT to swear.
As to the idea that those who "can't" swear are being dictated to my the minority... farcical.. again proved by the last few weeks.
If you want to behave like a school boy in a toilet... go to "The Shed" .. they'll probably welcome you.
If you visit someone in their house .. you behave with a modicum of sense ... you are "visiting" every other forum member's house when you post .. why not show them just a little respect by behaving in a civilised manner ??
Spot on Nige!
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That`d be an OOF 'first'; an admin going-off in a huff! ;D
Errr....
/Panto mode on
[size=16]Oh no it wouldn't[/size]
/Panto mode off
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No-one on this forum HAS to swear ... you deliberately CHOOSE to swear.
The forum for the last few weeks has been a much nicer place as people "self moderated" and chose NOT to swear.
As to the idea that those who "can't" swear are being dictated to my the minority... farcical.. again proved by the last few weeks.
If you want to behave like a school boy in a toilet... go to "The Shed" .. they'll probably welcome you.
If you visit someone in their house .. you behave with a modicum of sense ... you are "visiting" every other forum member's house when you post .. why not show them just a little respect by behaving in a civilised manner ??
Fully agree Entwood!! :y :y :y :y :y
But why do we have to have yet another thread to cover this topic? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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wish people would stop raising this subject >:(
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Lets put this one to bed once and for all....
Many years ago (well, 4), the founders of OOF were all happy members of another site, covering all Vauxhall models. As we were all Omega owners, we tended to stay in the Omega section of that site, as Omegas were our common interest. We build up a good community spirit, helping fellow Omega owners out, not just on the forum, but physically as well. It was a nice place to be, with mostly just a single moderator easily coping with that section.
This seemed to upset the owners of that site, for reasons that are unimportant for this discussion. They wanted the members hiding in the Omega section to be more active in their chat area - this area they called "The Shed".
Now, for anyone over the age of 14, or for members where getting their car running properly in preference to square bodykits/under car lighting/blue LEDs/etc, "The Shed" was not a pleasant place to be - I've worked in some dodgy places, such as prisons and young offenders' institutions, but even residents there are more friendly/polite than the residents of "The Shed".
I a nutshell, we were alienated from that site.
4 members from that site - Laidback66, Ronald McBurger, Marks DTM Calibra(tion) and I - decided that the only way we could get back the helpfulness/friendliness ('spirit') what we had in our little Omega section was to start a new site that we could control. Thus, 8th July 2006, www.omegaowners.com was born with the intention to have the 'spirit' that existed in our old home on the Internet. A small, tight moderation team was deemed to be the way forward, rather than a heavy handed approach.
Personnel move on to other interests, so leave, but the underlying philosophy remains consistent - a welcoming, friendly, uselful site for Omega owners, irrespective of whether they are mechanical gods or have never held a spanner. Irrespective of whether they can program Operating Systems, or can barely use a computer.
As membership grows, particularly beyond the members who knew the old site, it became obvious we needed to set some rules - many heavy Internet users feel it is their god-given right to behave in whatever manner they choose when on the Internet. Rather than hard-and-fast rules, we decided to draw up 'guidelines' that should be enough to display what we class as acceptable, and what is not. Being guidelines, there is no defined hard-and-fast line, but we should all know what is common decency. I hope.
Excessive swearing, poor taste jokes, general bitchiness etc causing dengeneration of the 'community', so we have to engage our brains before we post. Swearing, masked or otherwise. Mindless swearing has no place here. Use of particular swearwords, and we all know the ones, have no place here. Mild swearing to emphasise a point is tolerated within reason, preferably masked for certain slightly stronger words. We hope this is clear enough for members to be able to use judgement and self moderate, rather than a challenge for childish members to act like kids... :-/
So, as per Kevin Wood's comments, mild swearing is about context, rather than banning/allowing specific words.
That is the history, and the current stance of the Admin Team.
My own personal view...
Over time, we have peaks and troughs in general behaviour patterns - we've all seen it go from a really enjoyable place to log on to to a place where members really can't be bothered, due to the constant bickering (either publically, or bubbling under the surface).
From the start of the year to about a fortnight ago, we were in a particularly long, deep trough, which if I'm honest, I thought was likely to kill the community. Community Spirit=OOF, no Community Spirit=No OOF. As an Administrator, I was really beginning to dread, even hate, logging on to see what dross needed moderating that day. Certainly, any 'fun' element had long since disappeared.
As Mrs TheBoy frequently pointed out during this last trough, what was the point of me spending my own free time (I spend as much time fixing back-end issues as I do moderating/Admining) and money (there are real costs involved running a site like this, some of which are covered by the shop, some aren't - we're on our 3rd server, and getting close to outgrowing that) looking after something that only causes me hassle and anguish. To be frank, if it wasn't so hard to delete my account (my account links in in a lot of places), I would have left weeks ago. It really was a horrible, shitty place to visit >:(
OOF is bigger than any individual, and I'm sure a new home would have eventually been found, and it would have lived on, but this would have put excessive strain on an already stretched Admin Team (no, we should not need more Admins, members should behave!!).
However, we had a bit of a clampdown, and am delighted that the status quo, as far as I can see, seems to have stabilised, and we are back to whee we are now.
I sincerely hope that that explains the current 'official' Admin Team view, and gives a small insight to my own personal view as an Admin and as a member here.
To that end, I think there is nothing more to add to this thread, so locking.
If you really feel you have to say something, drop me a PM (give me 10mins to empty my PM box - its burst due to a week away!). Or if you really don't like me, any of the Admin Team.
Long live OOF, and the OOF spirit :y
Jaime