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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: bertiecbx550 on 08 July 2010, 21:17:59
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Who knows what exactly shows up on the Police ANPR readers?? This is a serious question i need to know,as my M.O.T. is up on monday the 12th and the road tax at the end of july and i`m skint at the mo but still need transport to and from work..... :-/ :-/
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Hi mate
Both of those will show up on an ANPR camera. Static cameras at junctions shouldnt really cause you a problem, but those in trafpol vehicles may.
Other info that pops up includes whether or not the vehicle has been lost or stolen, if it has been flagged up on the Police National Computer for some reason etc...
Rather useful bit of kit.. :)
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Who knows what exactly shows up on the Police ANPR readers?? This is a serious question i need to know,as my M.O.T. is up on monday the 12th and the road tax at the end of july and i`m skint at the mo but still need transport to and from work..... :-/ :-/
Do you really want to say this on an open site Bertie? :-/ :-/ :-/
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Bertie -- with all due respect ..... you work in the security industry .... you need to keep the slate clean. I realise this is a "rock and a hard place" situation .... but think carefully.
At the end of the day you might not get picked up on an ANPR (which are getting very commonplace these days), but, God forbid, what if you had a prang ?? All hell will be let loose.
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Bertie -- with all due respect ..... you work in the security industry .... you need to keep the slate clean. I realise this is a "rock and a hard place" situation .... but think carefully.
At the end of the day you might not get picked up on an ANPR (which are getting very commonplace these days), but, God forbid, what if you had a prang ?? All hell will be let loose.
Seconded :y
To keep my monthly costs down I cycle to work, admittedly only 4 miles each way but after a week it racks up the milage. Keeps me fit too. I reckon it saves me about £20 a week in fuel.
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Who knows what exactly shows up on the Police ANPR readers?? This is a serious question i need to know,as my M.O.T. is up on monday the 12th and the road tax at the end of july and i`m skint at the mo but still need transport to and from work..... :-/ :-/
Watching Traffic Cops on BBC1 right now mate and its not worth it, trust me.......
The ANPR fitted these days links to the Police National Computer and shows everything....
The in car display even flashes red when an MOT, Insurance, Driver Licence offence is detected, so you dont stand a chance mate......
And remember, no MOT means no insurance
Not worth the risk
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I`m not normally a law breaking type but i have had a discussion with a mate and he assures me it is quite legal to drive your car without M.O.T. as long as your car is taxed and insured.... ::) I told him that was not the case and the police ANPR system would pick you up and you would lose your car at the side of the road....This is something which will in all probability put me either further back down the road of recovery or get away with a minor crime(IMHO) till the wages clear.... :-/ :-/
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Mate, your pal can tell you what he wants, it isnt his licence or even job at risk
No MOT = No Insurance
100%
you'd be a fool to try it mate, so dont, as soon as you go past a copper you are in trouble......
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My minds made up if i have not got the miggy M.O.T.`d by tues she`s off the road(well parked up outside my house as i dont have a drive) and out of use till i have the dosh to M.O.T. her..... I`ll just have to find other employment or sumat....
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I dont know whats best to do Bertie in your particular case, but please mate, dont risk it using that car without MOT
why not ask a family member for a bit of financial help to tide you over.......
Best of luck mate anyway, hope it works out
:y
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does it need work doing for the mot?.
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remember modern speed cameras and CCTV cameras have the abilty to ANPR as well!
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Without going into too far i don`t have any family now....I`m just in the limbo of starting a new job and the JSA ending and the wages starting....The house may be sold in all but a few final signatures but that will be a month or 2 sorting out the probate and then maybe i`ll be well off enough to sort my debts out and such....till then its living in nowheresville.... ::).. But to be fair my troubles are trivial compared to the shit and crap a lot more of members go through so i`ll go on....Just like a duracell.... :D :D ;D ;D ;D
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Drive that car on the road Bertie and you will get caught! ::) ::) ::)
Glad to hear you are not going to drive it :y :y :y :y
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It's really not worth it Bertie, you'd be suprised by how many ANPR equipped vehicles there are about, and static camera's etc.
If you MOT'd it (£50) taxed it for 6 months (£130ish) that will be far cheaper than the fines you'd end up paying for not having a valid MOT and RFL.
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Not that I'm saying you could do this or anything, but someone I know did this as they were in pretty much the same situation as you. When they got pulled over by the police they said they were off to the MOT station to deliver the car, and you are covered to deliver a car to an MOT test centre without having MOT on the car. I personally wouldn't, but my mate got away with it 4 times that weekend.
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Not that I'm saying you could do this or anything, but someone I know did this as they were in pretty much the same situation as you. When they got pulled over by the police they said they were off to the MOT station to deliver the car, and you are covered to deliver a car to an MOT test centre without having MOT on the car. I personally wouldn't, but my mate got away with it 4 times that weekend.
Only covered if prebooked, police will ring in some cases, tell them the make of car and ask what reg is booked.
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they will also confisacate it like they did my mates. so you will be forced to get the mot even if you cant afford it then theres the storage charge on top or crushed after 14 days if im correct.
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If you shop about a bit on the MOT, you can still get them done for around 25 quid (I paid that last year), I got sick of some pedantic git, failing the car due to a dull (working) sidelight bulb or something daft....
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This has always amused me;
Drive a car without tax (RFL) and you get your knackers ripped off by a giant rodent in the presence of your first born, your car crushed and your bank account raped.
Drive a car without a valid MOT - So potentially a death trap, and all you get is a £60 fine. (assuming of course no other issues are outstanding).
Who was it that said the law is an ass? Oh, yeah, all of us!
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Life has a habit of throwing us in different directions from time to time Bertie; we have to make the best of whatever we're presented with.
On the up-side, you are getting the house sorted out and you've landed the new job. You'll not be lonely for too long when you get settled in at the job where I’m sure you’ll meet many new friends.
You will still have all your old friends here on the OOF don't forget.
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BERTIE....
Take it from me (I supply ANPR equipment to the police AND fit it for them) It brings up:
insurance valid
mot
tax validity
"tags" on car for owner (asbo or previous convictions, warrants outstanding, etc)
history of previous stopping of vehicle in last 12 months
This, mate really takes the mickey in one respect, however, it does keep the idiots that just dont bother to keep their car legal off the streets, but keeps the honest ones like us on our toes.
Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.
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Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.
Ahh, "Scrappage" by the back door. >:(
I can't understand why we do still have a problem with uninsured & untaxed cars. There are enough ANPR cameras following us around (not manned, on the whole, admittedly). Surely there exists photographic evidence on most cars being driven illegally. Every illegal driver could automatically receive a producer in the post and, if nothing's forthcoming, send a HIAB round.
Kevin
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Kevin......
Similar ideas are currently being discussed with The association of chief Police officers, where "offenders" would be ticketed when spotted by traffic wardens, police officers, "hobby bobbies" or traffic officers, giving them 7 days to remedy the missing document (insurance, mot, or tax), unless the database shows the relevant missing thing has not been obtained (i.e the car has not been insured, or mot'd) a crushing order will be issued, and the offending vehicle recovered and crushed. You will be given no chance after the crushing order has been issued to remedy the situation, you will be required to remove all property from the vehicle and allow it to be lifted.
Discussions have reached a "rubber stamp" stage by the government, but the election and change of government have temporarily halted the further implementation of this until the current govt have debated it in parliament later this month.
I do not think there will be any objections to this bill, and therefore it is the belief of my company and myself that it may be "law" and in force by October, or December at the latest. However, the motoring press generally agree with it, but the AA and RAC are pressing for a more lienient stance, i.e the ability for the owner to be able to "stall" the crushing if it can be proved that the car is worthy of being kept and relicenced, and there is a monitary issue, therefore it will only be immobilized with a wheel clamp that will be taken off on the day of mot, or with production of valid insurance or tax.
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Speaking of tech for Police, next big thing for them after ANPR should be a hand-held, or car mounted EMP that can be targeted. Seen few protypes are already in the making :)
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Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.
Ahh, "Scrappage" by the back door. >:(
I can't understand why we do still have a problem with uninsured & untaxed cars. There are enough ANPR cameras following us around (not manned, on the whole, admittedly). Surely there exists photographic evidence on most cars being driven illegally. Every illegal driver could automatically receive a producer in the post and, if nothing's forthcoming, send a HIAB round.
Kevin
I think I may have related this tale on here before, but...
My m/c was knocked over by a car when parked-up and a kind by-stander who heard the alarm go of on first nudge, gave me a reg no. of the offending car, driver of which got out to look and then drove off.
Local plod took details at their counter and handed it to their department for such things.
Said department's approach was to send two letters to registered address separated by one month. Basically asking them if they owned the car. Surprise, surprise, having done hit-and-run they didn't reply.
I got a letter on Met Police headed paper saying they had carried out 'extensive enquiries'. When my insurers told me the car was uninsured I rang the signatory of the police letter to quiz her about the effort of their enquiries and was seriously disappointed at the shallowness and the deceitful description. Her defence was 'we're not police, we're civilians'.
Waste of space in my case.
MIB (you and I) paid for the damage and I had to cough-up £300 excess.
Getting to your point - We may have ANPR but there is too much bureaucracy behind them and a lack of manpower (possibly even willpower) to carry it through.
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In Bertie's case, can it be parked on a public road without an MOT? :-/
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No, sadly.
My understanding is that an accident involving even a parked car with no mot will render the insurance invalid, i.e. then it is an uninsured car too, and liable for the crusher!!!
of course, if it was parked OFF the public carriageway on a grass verge.........
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Yes as far as i understand it, there is no issue with a car being parked on a public highway as long as it has a valid RFL. Parking it on an open road without tax means the registered keeper is valid for a fine, either for not declaring the vehicle SORN (in the case of having it on a driveway) or using a vehicle on a public highway without tax.
If stopped using a car without tax the vehicle will be seized or 'clamped' a straight £100 clamp release fee doubling after 24 hours. If however you can pay this (you could have paid the tax) and the 120 surety for them not taking the vehicle you can then pay the tax and on production of the valid tax disc at your local DVLA compound they will credit the 120 surty back to the card it came off.
Give it a couple of weeks and you WILL recive a Fixed Penalty Notice for the offence of driving without tax i think they also add any unpaid back tax. The fine i think although cannot remember is about 60 pounds if settled within 7 days.
Speaking from experience :-[ i can say it isnt worth it you will be caught and with computer technology, its in the post, system must be out of date, grace periods do not exsist.
Bottom line pay it or don't use it. :y
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Quick ring to local plod confirms that you must NOT keep an untaxed, or un-mot'd or uninsured vehicle on the public carriageway.
it seems off road is the only option, then.
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No, sadly.
My understanding is that an accident involving even a parked car with no mot will render the insurance invalid, i.e. then it is an uninsured car too, and liable for the crusher!!!
of course, if it was parked OFF the public carriageway on a grass verge.........
If someone hits my parked car whether i have a valid MOT or not surley i'll be claming off there insurance. :question
EDIT ~ Unless on reflection they drove off and the car having been side swiped was deemed a total loss :-? :-?
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No, sadly.
My understanding is that an accident involving even a parked car with no mot will render the insurance invalid, i.e. then it is an uninsured car too, and liable for the crusher!!!
of course, if it was parked OFF the public carriageway on a grass verge.........
If someone hits my parked car whether i have a valid MOT or not surley i'll be claming off there insurance. :question
EDIT ~ Unless on reflection they drove off and the car having been side swiped was deemed a total loss :-? :-?
If someone hits my parked car whether i have a valid MOT or not surley i'll be claming off there insurance
But would they be inclined to settle the claim Dave? I would imagine that in the absence of a valid MOT certificate they would consider it un-roadworthy and therefore uninsurable.
Reasons Why an Insurance Company May Void Your Policy
Driving a car that has not been properly MOT'd
From;
http://www.insuringit.co.uk/reasons-why-an-insurance-company-may-void-your-policy.html
Even though this refers to vehicles being driven, I would bet that in the event of a claim for damage caused to a parked vehicle having no valid MOT certificate, the chances of that claim succeeding with either the other driver's provider, or the MIB in the event of a 'hit and run', would be remote.
In that event you may have to seek civil redress from the other driver and, of course, face any sanction for keeping the vehicle on the highway or other public place without proper documentation, as those facts would then be in the public domain.
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I was in the unfortunate position of my wife being involved in a minor crash a while back, and when we checked the MOT it had run out by a month, due to a big oversight. The insurance company paid out without even checking, which was very, very lucky on our part.
Not advocating this for a second, I'll never let an MOT run out ever again, but a friend who works in insurance told me that they were very unlikely to check, and he turned out to be right.
I'm not helping the argument I know, just sharing my experience with insurance
Jon
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Don't want to sound picky but if the veh is parked on a public highway it must have a valid mot even though it's not being used.
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Quick ring to local plod confirms that you must NOT keep an untaxed, or un-mot'd or uninsured vehicle on the public carriageway.
it seems off road is the only option, then.
I reiterate. Regardless of circumstance, you will be breaking the law.
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You also need to bear in mind a couple of things:
Firstly each Police force will have its own system for ANPR, so the process for making a check in London may well be slightly different from say Devon.
In saying that, they all check against the same basic databases so the results should be the same. I say should, and will explain why so.
When a vehicle passes an ANPR camera/vehicle, the system will NOT send every reg number off to be checked - the volumes of data traffic generated would be simply massive. So, most of them will have a copy of the database working locally - with the ability for the odd "live" check to be done on an exception basis for clarification etc.
Some forces will upload the data daily, others less so. As you can imagine this is a lot of data - athough will fit on a memory stick and can be plugged into the vehicle based system.
There will also be local tweaks, such as a specific local copy of any uninsured vehicles that are SORN etc.
So, although the source data is from the same place, the age of the data will differ slightly and give some variance. As has already been said, a degree of leeway is there - but basically dont risk it.
I'm all for ANPR when used in this way. What I'm dreading is them linking up the systems and using it to provide a national average speed camera network. The concept is exactly the same as the average speed check cameras.
Think about that one :( :(
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Thanx for all the advice and info guys....I`m going round wellung666`s 2mora morning and he will help me do the minor things i cant get at with my fat stubby fingers as he puts it.... ;D... I`m off tues and wed this week so i`m gonna try and blag some parts and get done the stuff i reckon it will fail on...I.E. rear shocks and coil springs and handbrake cable adjustment and a couple of other niggles...And then its off to M.O.T. station for a meeting with destiny......As for the dosh to pay for it....The wifes black tights will used in barclays 2mora... :o ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Insurance is the most important. For various reasons road tax is easier to check, MOT you MAY get away with it but worst case come to a deal with an MOT tester, get it booked in for every day for a few days until booked in for real.
I know of two people who have done this for short periods (under a week) as their MOT tester was very near their work.
So basically if you get paid near end of month - provided you have an MOT by then you should be OK.
But get the MOT ASAP