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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 17:32:30
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Sending a 1/4 of all SO19 Police trained officers is understandable, less so is the 50 Armoured Landrovers sent to hunt down this gunman, but now they have confirmed used of RAF Tornados! :o
Would helicopters not be more suitable, as they can hover over a supect area? Jet will be past in seconds :-/
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Raoul-Moat-Images-Released-Of-Tent-And-Sleeping-Bag-Fugitive-Thought-To-Have-Used-In-Rothley/Article/201007215661841?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15661841_Raoul_Moat:_Images_Released_Of_Tent_And_Sleeping_Bag_Fugitive_Thought_To_Have_Used_In_Rothley
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:o They're gonna look so sick when they find out he's not there!
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Difficult to imagine what a Tornado can add to the efforts of a helicopter, other than the element of surprise, I suppose. And a large thirst for Jet A-1. ;D
He is doing an impressive job of going postal. Must be quite an embarrassment that their efforts are yet to bear fruit. ::)
Kevin
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Sending a 1/4 of all SO19 Police trained officers is understandable, less so is the 50 Armoured Landrovers sent to hunt down this gunman, but now they have confirmed used of RAF Tornados! :o
Would helicopters not be more suitable, as they can hover over a supect area? Jet will be past in seconds :-/
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Raoul-Moat-Images-Released-Of-Tent-And-Sleeping-Bag-Fugitive-Thought-To-Have-Used-In-Rothley/Article/201007215661841?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15661841_Raoul_Moat:_Images_Released_Of_Tent_And_Sleeping_Bag_Fugitive_Thought_To_Have_Used_In_Rothley
But then on the other hand the Tornado can seatch a much larger area in one flight, and I would expect the technology on the Tornado is just as cutting edge as whats on the helicopter
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I keep expecting the SAS to be called in next Tunnie! :D :D ;)
There are some spare Chieftain 2 tanks floating around as well! :D :D :D :D 8-)
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I keep expecting the SAS to be called in next Tunnie! :D :D ;)
Wouldnt surprise me if they are involved already tbh
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This is what happens when police officers are not armed as a matter of course - there can be no immediate and effective counter to such incidents as they happen.
The operation seems to have degenerated into farce with heavily armed police officers and soldiers roaming the countryside looking for this man while confining citizens to their homes or restricting their movements.
The fact that resources have been drawn from the length and breadth of the country - including Northern Ireland -indicates to me that the capability of any local force to deal with such matters in real time, is woefully lacking.
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I keep expecting the SAS to be called in next Tunnie! :D :D ;)
There are some spare Chieftain 2 tanks floating around as well! :D :D :D :D 8-)
Probably allready are but they would never admit it.
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A Tornado? :o
They'll be bringing in B52s next. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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A Tornado? :o
They'll be bringing in B52s next. ;) ;D ;D ;D
whats a pop group singing loveshack gonna do to help the effort ::)
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on a serious note i think when a highly charged man like him(who i would not like to bump into)is on the loose threatening to kill officers i think the sas should be given open reign to sort it out
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A Tornado? :o
They'll be bringing in B52s next. ;) ;D ;D ;D
whats a pop group singing loveshack gonna do to help the effort ::)
Play the song on loop out of really big loudspeakers. That would bring anyone out of hiding. Mind you, it may be against the Geneva Convention. ;) ;D
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Would think a helicopter with heat seeking camera would be ideal, but they're probably worried about him shooting at it? What's he armed with?
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A Tornado? :o
They'll be bringing in B52s next. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Vulcan team should get in contact asking if they need a bomber :D
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Military kit is rather powerful - more ground than a helicopter
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Just let the SAS deal with it
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This is what happens when police officers are not armed as a matter of course - there can be no immediate and effective counter to such incidents as they happen.
The operation seems to have degenerated into farce with heavily armed police officers and soldiers roaming the countryside looking for this man while confining citizens to their homes or restricting their movements.
The fact that resources have been drawn from the length and breadth of the country - including Northern Ireland -indicates to me that the capability of any local force to deal with such matters in real time, is woefully lacking.
.......and with the inevitable cutbacks that are.....unavoidable...
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I can just see it now the SAS spot him legging it and cant catch up with him so they call in a Tornado air strike and by shear good fortune they take out Moat and Gordon brown who just happend to taking a well earned holiday in northumbria collecting butterflies for his collection.....Sad really aye it? ::) ::) ::) :D ;)
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This is what happens when police officers are not armed as a matter of course - there can be no immediate and effective counter to such incidents as they happen.
The operation seems to have degenerated into farce with heavily armed police officers and soldiers roaming the countryside looking for this man while confining citizens to their homes or restricting their movements.
The fact that resources have been drawn from the length and breadth of the country - including Northern Ireland -indicates to me that the capability of any local force to deal with such matters in real time, is woefully lacking.
.......and with the inevitable cutbacks that are.....unavoidable...
It would seem so S :( :(
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armed police arent allowed to shoot him unless theres imminent threat to life, the only life he's threatening at the moment is his by eye witness accounts - i guess the police are waiting for him to kill himself or give up - theres plenty of snipers there who could take him out if they were allowed to :o
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A Tornado?.....hardly appropriate! ::)
....my choice would be an A10 Warthog; a quick strafe with the 30mm. gatling and problem solved! ;)
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Looks like it's nearly all over-they've got him surrounded in rothbury ,on sky news now
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The Tornado will, at a guess, be using a "Raptor" pod ... this is an extremely high tech camera pod, not just a heat seeking one. Used for all sorts of surveillance and extremely capable. Another guess the pictures will not go to the Police .. but to specialised photo-interpreters whose day job is looking for the hide outs of snipers and insurgents.... :)
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he's killed one person, injured 2 others.. why dont they just blast him?
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armed police arent allowed to shoot him unless theres imminent threat to life, the only life he's threatening at the moment is his by eye witness accounts - i guess the police are waiting for him to kill himself or give up - theres plenty of snipers there who could take him out if they were allowed to :o
slightly off subject but that makes me laugh - seems there was an incident on a motorway a few years ago, armed police called and they shot dead a guy waving a sword arround and he was 20 feet away from anyone. A gun at 20 feet, shoot the bugga, but not a sword.
Have not followed this current stoty but image if they just took him out from a helicopter how many £M's would be saved in trials, appeals and a room for one in a HMP.
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Have not followed this current stoty but image if they just took him out from a helicopter how many £M's would be saved in trials, appeals and a room for one in a HMP.
If I were flying one of the choppers I'd seriously consider an "engine failure" followed by a bit of autorotation and... splat!
Kevin
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He's killed himself anyway now, best end imho.
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He's killed himself anyway now, best end imho.
Would rather the SAS had dealt it
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Going back to Skrunties comment "... there was an incident on a motorway a few years ago, armed police called and they shot dead a guy waving a sword arround and he was 20 feet away from anyone...."
A friend of mine who shows military Russian motorbikes at War & Peace Show and the like was riding the M25 to a show early one morning when he found himself boxed in by unmarked cars, within a moment he was spreadeagled on the tarmac with a gun at his head.
Apparently a CCTV op had seen grenades on his bike...
They were plastic, he had forgotten to stow them away with the machine gun as was his habit! :D
Full armed response - good to know they are on the ball, they had a good laugh and several came to the show later on.
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You could argue its all good training - hunting
and killing a moving target ;)
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the boys in Heartbeat would have sorted this out in one episode!!!
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You could argue its all good training - hunting and killing a moving target ;)
But not a shot was fired by the 'authorities' AFAIK. Not good maths for the bean-counters, and I'm sure a lot of PC people will be saying it's a waste of money. Saves going to other people's countries and shooting them! ;D
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It was obvious he was going to die, the police would never have allowed him to live.
Those more cynical might say that, due to the fact he was never going to be arrested, that the suicide story is the only story the police can release...
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the boys in Heartbeat would have sorted this out in one episode!!!
LMAO, after having a sandwich ;D
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Surely jessica fletcher from murder she wrote would have caught him in an instant back in the day, none of this high tech negotiating stuff lol.
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It was obvious he was going to die, the police would never have allowed him to live.
Those more cynical might say that, due to the fact he was never going to be arrested, that the suicide story is the only story the police can release...
I'm sorry, I just don't accept that. >:(
I'm not sure what you are implying, but with the level of public scrutiny such as it is in these times, if the guy had surrendered the police would most certainly have "let him live".
Are you saying that the police would have unlawfully disposed of him? Can you justify that?
Not happy. :( :( :(
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What made me laugh last nite whilst watchin it live on sky news, was the statement the chief made to the press, first of all he said moat had recieved a "gun shot" wound, next he slips up n says "has been shot" i think he realised what he said right afta lookin at his face, n when u listen to the gunshot that they replayed a few times, u can hear at least 2 shots and they sounded suspiciously like rifle shots not shotgun shots....makes u wonder what actually happened dont it???!
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At a briefing in Rothbury on Saturday, Northumbria Police Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim said officers had been "striving to persuade" Moat to give himself up peacefully.
She said: "During this time officers discharged Taser. However this did not prevent his death."
She said no gunshots were fired by police.
Tasers deliver powerful electric shocks of up to 50,000 volts which are intended to be a "less lethal" alternative to conventional firearms and are meant to temporarily paralyse a target.
I am sure the tazer would have made him think about giving up peacefully!
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At a briefing in Rothbury on Saturday, Northumbria Police Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim said officers had been "striving to persuade" Moat to give himself up peacefully.
She said: "During this time officers discharged Taser. However this did not prevent his death."
She said no gunshots were fired by police.
Tasers deliver powerful electric shocks of up to 50,000 volts which are intended to be a "less lethal" alternative to conventional firearms and are meant to temporarily paralyse a target.
I am sure the tazer would have made him think about giving up peacefully!
if his gun was under his chin i dont think this would have helped!
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At a briefing in Rothbury on Saturday, Northumbria Police Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim said officers had been "striving to persuade" Moat to give himself up peacefully.
She said: "During this time officers discharged Taser. However this did not prevent his death."
She said no gunshots were fired by police.
Tasers deliver powerful electric shocks of up to 50,000 volts which are intended to be a "less lethal" alternative to conventional firearms and are meant to temporarily paralyse a target.
I am sure the tazer would have made him think about giving up peacefully!
if his gun was under his chin i dont think this would have helped!
'Some experts have questioned whether the Tasers may have caused involuntary muscle spasms'.
Fair enough he has done very, very wrong but in my opinion something doesnt seem right here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10585521.stm
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a troubled man obviously.
reading some of the reports regarding his relationship with his parents, it makes you think what will become of his three children and how they will be affected?