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Title: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:02:11
 Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?
Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Broomies Mate on 09 July 2010, 22:05:32
50 inch?  Ideal for the crapper, or maybe the guest bedroom!  :P
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Mysteryman on 09 July 2010, 22:06:42
How many programmes currently on tv (have a look at the listings) are worthy of such a beast. I have sky, sports, movies etc. There is nowt on.
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 July 2010, 22:13:18
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Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X

Because they will be blacking out one lense at a time in order to transfer the stereo image from a single screen  :y
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 22:19:04
powered ones do give slightly better picture to rotational or coloured lens glasses, for me though, its 3D games which will really take off  :y
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:19:14
In 3d, no programmes listed on sky 3d demo channel, apart from demo's obviously. Standard and HD is something to behold as well.

In our planner currently, 90% is HD, of which 60% is sport, most waiting our attention. Plenty for us tbh. But i take your point too, the technology though, bloody works.  :o
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:21:46
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Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X

Because they will be blacking out one lense at a time in order to transfer the stereo image from a single screen  :y
Aha, for more 3dness.  :)
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 22:22:01
Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:23:26
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50 inch?  Ideal for the crapper, or maybe the guest bedroom!  :P
One each on the back of an x5 head rest surely? ;D
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:27:15
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Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
They obviously see a market for it, can't help think it's release is poorly timed, most have just bought a large panel already I would think?
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 22:30:20
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Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
They obviously see a market for it, can't help think it's release is poorly timed, most have just bought a large panel already I would think?

Sky's one will use non powered 3Dness, they will provide glasses, which use rotation in each lense, so works on any TV. (although no at good as a true 3D panel)

From what i hear its going to be free for HD customers, but i can't see many programs being done.

The problem is whole filming techniques need to change, to allow 3D. All filming techniques at the moment are setup for 2D.
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:34:47
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Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
They obviously see a market for it, can't help think it's release is poorly timed, most have just bought a large panel already I would think?

Sky's one will use non powered 3Dness, they will provide glasses, which use rotation in each lense, so works on any TV. (although no at good as a true 3D panel)

From what i hear its going to be free for HD customers, but i can't see many programs being done.

The problem is whole filming techniques need to change, to allow 3D. All filming techniques at the moment are setup for 2D.

Free? Sky? Noooo, surely not? Would have to work on normal tv I suppose  :)
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 22:36:26
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Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
They obviously see a market for it, can't help think it's release is poorly timed, most have just bought a large panel already I would think?

Sky's one will use non powered 3Dness, they will provide glasses, which use rotation in each lense, so works on any TV. (although no at good as a true 3D panel)

From what i hear its going to be free for HD customers, but i can't see many programs being done.

The problem is whole filming techniques need to change, to allow 3D. All filming techniques at the moment are setup for 2D.

Free? Sky? Noooo, surely not? Would have to work on normal tv I suppose  :)

Yeah otherwise it would not get off the ground, i know free is not a word Sky use  ;D

But it will be part of the HD bundle  :)
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 09 July 2010, 22:47:47
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Public release of 3D channel is planned for later this year  :y
They obviously see a market for it, can't help think it's release is poorly timed, most have just bought a large panel already I would think?

Sky's one will use non powered 3Dness, they will provide glasses, which use rotation in each lense, so works on any TV. (although no at good as a true 3D panel)

From what i hear its going to be free for HD customers, but i can't see many programs being done.

The problem is whole filming techniques need to change, to allow 3D. All filming techniques at the moment are setup for 2D.

Free? Sky? Noooo, surely not? Would have to work on normal tv I suppose  :)

Yeah otherwise it would not get off the ground, i know free is not a word Sky use  ;D

But it will be part of the HD bundle  :)
Oh good news then. Look forward to that. :)
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 July 2010, 23:10:01
Seen a demo, very effective but the shutter glasses gave me a headache.

Looks like I am staying with 2D for games.

Anyway got the game 3D firmware but not the BD firmware yet
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 July 2010, 23:12:53
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powered ones do give slightly better picture to rotational or coloured lens glasses, for me though, its 3D games which will really take off  :y


Looks like Killzone 3 and Gran Turismo 5 will be early ones, latest Motorstorm has a sample.

I am staying 2D though - can't afford a new TV 5 pairs of glasses and it gives me a headache
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 09 July 2010, 23:23:57
i found with games as i was concentrating on driving / kicking ass on some first person shooters, my eyes did not hurt as much as when i got a demo of 3D football
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 09 July 2010, 23:55:13
Free from Sky, thats a laff.  They have a set of dedicated HD channels and a lot of them show non HD stuff that wasnt even recorded as wide screen.
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: tunnie on 10 July 2010, 09:48:06
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Free from Sky, thats a laff.  They have a set of dedicated HD channels and a lot of them show non HD stuff that wasnt even recorded as wide screen.

Not a lot they can do, there not responsible for the channels, content or its output
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Chris_H on 10 July 2010, 11:09:03
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Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X

Because they will be blacking out one lense at a time in order to transfer the stereo image from a single screen  :y
Aha, for more 3dness.  :)
I think Mark was carefully using the word stereo as that is what it is and all the currently-hyped systems are.

All this is being marketed as  3D when to use an example from the audio world, it is very similar to the introduction of stereo after monophonic audio!  And just when the audio world is persuading us that surround-sound is the latest thing!!!

What the market will do when holographic displays are readily available I have no idea because they are using up all the terminology too early.

There is VERY little in the way of 3D material or displays around at present.  What is being offered (even though it has a startling effect) is 'a perception of depth'.  You can't move around the image or examine the rear of anything (stop it boys! :)). The overhead of wearing glasses and incompatibilities between different manufacturers make it a pigs'-ear in my view.

I can't believe that pubs might be full of people drinking pints and wearing those glasses! ;D
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 July 2010, 15:59:59
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You can't move around the image or examine the rear of anything (stop it boys! :)). The overhead of wearing glasses and incompatibilities between different manufacturers make it a pigs'-ear in my view.

That will be the day when I decide my 32" sony CRT need replacing. ::)

I think you're right. It will be a temporary gimmick that people will tire of because you can't get the whole family in the "sweet spot" and it becomes too intrusive a form of entertainment rather than something that can sit in the corner and toss out drivel.

A bit like why people now buy sh1te midi/mini-systems then chuck all the speakers in the same corner rather than appreciating decent audio through a system that presents a decent soundstage, and spending some time getting it set up properly. ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 July 2010, 16:06:25
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Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X

Because they will be blacking out one lense at a time in order to transfer the stereo image from a single screen  :y
Aha, for more 3dness.  :)
I think Mark was carefully using the word stereo as that is what it is and all the currently-hyped systems are.
 

Yup, its a stereo image setup....not 3D as its creating the illusion of depth without actualy creating a 3D image.

I remember playing with such a setup 15 years ago, quite good but its only just hitting the market
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Martin_1962 on 10 July 2010, 20:41:23
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You can't move around the image or examine the rear of anything (stop it boys! :)). The overhead of wearing glasses and incompatibilities between different manufacturers make it a pigs'-ear in my view.

That will be the day when I decide my 32" sony CRT need replacing. ::)

I think you're right. It will be a temporary gimmick that people will tire of because you can't get the whole family in the "sweet spot" and it becomes too intrusive a form of entertainment rather than something that can sit in the corner and toss out drivel.

A bit like why people now buy sh1te midi/mini-systems then chuck all the speakers in the same corner rather than appreciating decent audio through a system that presents a decent soundstage, and spending some time getting it set up properly. ;)

Kevin


Am I the only person with TV on a long wall, speakers  a decent width apart either side, a large centre speaker over the TV (on a microwave wall bracket) and rears behind the seats
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 10 July 2010, 20:45:42
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You can't move around the image or examine the rear of anything (stop it boys! :)). The overhead of wearing glasses and incompatibilities between different manufacturers make it a pigs'-ear in my view.

That will be the day when I decide my 32" sony CRT need replacing. ::)

I think you're right. It will be a temporary gimmick that people will tire of because you can't get the whole family in the "sweet spot" and it becomes too intrusive a form of entertainment rather than something that can sit in the corner and toss out drivel.

A bit like why people now buy sh1te midi/mini-systems then chuck all the speakers in the same corner rather than appreciating decent audio through a system that presents a decent soundstage, and spending some time getting it set up properly. ;)

Kevin


Am I the only person with TV on a long wall, speakers  a decent width apart either side, a large centre speaker over the TV (on a microwave wall bracket) and rears behind the seats


No - except center speaker is under telly. :y
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 10 July 2010, 20:53:23
Going to Chris's original comments, for overall practicality I would be inclined to have a good projector instead. :y
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: feeutfo on 11 July 2010, 01:21:57
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Going to Chris's original comments, for overall practicality I would be inclined to have a good projector instead. :y
When I was looking, about 2 years ago now, a "good" projector didn't exist. Washed out images and expensive bulbs that didn't last. :-/
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Martin_1962 on 11 July 2010, 09:18:26
I have a recent top end LCD panel, rather good TV as well
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 11 July 2010, 09:50:09
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Going to Chris's original comments, for overall practicality I would be inclined to have a good projector instead. :y
When I was looking, about 2 years ago now, a "good" projector didn't exist. Washed out images and expensive bulbs that didn't last. :-/


That's right enough Chris and to get a good one a tidy sum had to be spent.

Now it seems that good results can be had in the 1-2K range however, as you say main the drawback to the projector besides fan noise (and having a big enough room to operate it as intended) is the fragility and stamina of the bulb.

I'm happy enough with the 40" Sony I use as I'm only sitting 8' from it.  This also doubles up as a monitor for the MCE I'm presently using to OOF.
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Chris_H on 11 July 2010, 10:00:39
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Demo 50 inch panasonic 600htz plasma 3d tv in Dixons. Needs glasses, 2 pairs with it, powered for some reason?Very very impressive picture. Forget Avatar 3d at the cinema, makes that look like a flick book cartoon. :o

Shame I won't need another Telly for 10 years, hopefully. :-X

Because they will be blacking out one lense at a time in order to transfer the stereo image from a single screen  :y
Aha, for more 3dness.  :)
I think Mark was carefully using the word stereo as that is what it is and all the currently-hyped systems are.
 

Yup, its a stereo image setup....not 3D as its creating the illusion of depth without actualy creating a 3D image.

I remember playing with such a setup 15 years ago, quite good but its only just hitting the market
If you saw the Heath Robinson setups being use to create the material, you would appreciate that this 'development' is being driven by the display manufacturers.

Camera and lens manufacturers are working like crazy to bring some devices to market but there's a whole plethora of ancillaries need to do post-production adjustments to the material.

More of a waste of money than alternative energy research IMHO. :(

Does anyone else remember the 3D-viewers that came free with Weetabix(?) in the 60s(?)? :)
Title: Re: 3d tv.
Post by: Radiomarko on 11 July 2010, 13:38:57
"Does anyone else remember the 3D-viewers that came free with Weetabix(?) in the 60s(?)? "

Ive still got one... somewhere. Great things!

As for 3D TV, all very well and good with all the tech. But what happens when the public realise that all the talent (sic) are actually 2D cardboard cut-outs?   :D