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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: geoffr70 on 18 July 2010, 22:08:09
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Hi, has anyone on this forum owned (or still own) a Senator, or Carlton? If so why did buy it/get rid? Why did you you buy an Omega and which do you think are better? Why are Vauxhall going FWD?
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Had 2 Carltons
1st was a manual 2.0 CDi,
2nd was an Automatic 2.0 Diplomat.
Just keep buying cars to keep them low milage and newer, dont actually ever plan it this way, upgrade as and whem a reasonble priced car comes along.
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Ive never owned a senny or omega but im guessing the main reason people dont have them now is there age.
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had a 24v Senator, its just not as refined as the Omega in terms of ride. I did prefer the S6 24v to the V6.
RWD cars are much more expensive to produce, and lets face it, most of pubic don't have a clue. In the winter i saw someone put snow socks on their tyres on a BMW 530, someone else decided to 'copy' them, and put snow snocks on the rear tyres of a VW Polo ::)
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Hard though it is to believe, Omegas don't rust as much ;D
Already proven that the Omega is a faster car, and the ride is far superior.
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had a 24v Senator, its just not as refined as the Omega in terms of ride. I did prefer the S6 24v to the V6.
RWD cars are much more expensive to produce, and lets face it, most of pubic don't have a clue. In the winter i saw someone put snow socks on their tyres on a BMW 530, someone else decided to 'copy' them, and put snow snocks on the rear tyres of a VW Polo ::)
You ARE joking, right? :o
Senators have a much better ride than any Omega B - your suspension on your Senator must have been thoroughly shot if yours was worse!
I have a Carlton, built from a 2 litre GLi to a 3 litre GSi spec, with added 'Lotus Metal' body parts.
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Hi, has anyone on this forum owned (or still own) a Senator, or Carlton? If so why did buy it/get rid? Why did you you buy an Omega and which do you think are better? Why are Vauxhall going FWD?
As suggested it was age of the Senator which prompted me to sell mine. I still wish I had it though. I don't neccessarily agree that the ride is better on an Omega, different, but not better. I loved the 'comfort' setting of the Senator's 'ride control suspension. Probably better rust prevention on an Omega ... just! ;)
If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
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Hard though it is to believe, Omegas don't rust as much ;D
Already proven that the Omega is a faster car, and the ride is far superior.
I really disagree with that.
OK, the MV6 is a good ride but different springs and shocks to other Omegas -which wallow - and the faster you go in an Omega, the more they wallow, opposite for a Senator - especially with the 3 postiion suspension settings.
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had a 24v Senator, its just not as refined as the Omega in terms of ride. I did prefer the S6 24v to the V6.
RWD cars are much more expensive to produce, and lets face it, most of pubic don't have a clue. In the winter i saw someone put snow socks on their tyres on a BMW 530, someone else decided to 'copy' them, and put snow snocks on the rear tyres of a VW Polo ::)
You ARE joking, right? :o
Senators have a much better ride than any Omega B - your suspension on your Senator must have been thoroughly shot if yours was worse!
I have a Carlton, built from a 2 litre GLi to a 3 litre GSi spec, with added 'Lotus Metal' body parts.
No, come one, Senator was 80's design. Omega is far, far, far superior in ride and handling.
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No, come one, Senator was 80's design. Omega is far, far, far superior in ride and handling.
there's not a lot to choose in the difference, so I can't say that an Omega B can be that much better.
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I'm not getting into an argument mate ( even though you're sooooo wrong) - but just cos the Omega B is newer, doesn't mean it's better, does it?
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I've had two Sennys, yeah they've got pros and cons but I wouldn't necessarily say the Omega is more comfortable, even though it's very comfortable! Joint 1st most comfy car Ive been in! People always laugh at me when I tell them that IMO Omegas (and Senators) are the perfect all round compromise between speed, power, performance, luxury, economy, space etc etc and that it's a great all rounder! I think most people don't have a clue and would rather pay £££££££££££ monthly payments for their modern fashionable FWD supermini that won't last as long as any Omega!
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The problem is everyone will remember the Senator the 'best', I ran both for nearly a year. I drove the Senator for a couple of weeks, jumped straight into the facelift and its was immediately apparent how much better it was.
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Hard though it is to believe, Omegas don't rust as much ;D
Already proven that the Omega is a faster car, and the ride is far superior.
I really disagree with that.
OK, the MV6 is a good ride but different springs and shocks to other Omegas -which wallow - and the faster you go in an Omega, the more they wallow, opposite for a Senator - especially with the 3 postiion suspension settings.
Consider it a (significant) refinement of the senator, and helped drastically by much lighter engines, better positioned, to give the car better balance.
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The problem is everyone will remember the Senator the 'best', I ran both for nearly a year. I drove the Senator for a couple of weeks, jumped straight into the facelift and its was immediately apparent how much better it was.
I'd be the first to admit your Senator hard tired suspension. But then you would be the first to admit that your Omega you are using for comparison has even more tired suspension (as it 150k on original shocks :o)
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The problem is everyone will remember the Senator the 'best', I ran both for nearly a year. I drove the Senator for a couple of weeks, jumped straight into the facelift and its was immediately apparent how much better it was.
I'd be the first to admit your Senator hard tired suspension. But then you would be the first to admit that your Omega you are using for comparison has even more tired suspension (as it 150k on original shocks :o)
Still handles like a dream ::)
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If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
:-? Lotus Senator ? There's a Lotus Carlton.
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If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
:-? Lotus Senator ? There's a Lotus Carlton.
Must be a DIY version, no official one was made that i know of :-/
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If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
:-? Lotus Senator ? There's a Lotus Carlton.
Must be a DIY version, no official one was made that i know of :-/
I know there were a few 4.0 24v ones, but don't think they got the Lotus Brand :-/
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There's a single Lotus Senator......
Owned by a chap on ABS. All the running gear etc off a LC.
As for differences in handling, well I can't say i've driven a Carlton or Senator recently (last Carlton I drove had 260K on it) to compare but I think the Omega is more about refinement than out and out handling, though with Irmscher springs and Bilsten Shocks I believe the Omega's chassis gets the handling it deserves.
Even in a high mileage / aged example of any of the V-Car chassis cars i'd sooner lose it's arse in oversteer than lose the front of a modern shitbox FWD in understeer. :y
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Still handles like a dream ::)
No jokes about water beds, now. ::)
Kevin
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I had a 2.0 GLi - the pre cat version.
They rust well, one of the reasons I got an Omega.
2.0 handles better and goes better in Carlton version.
Senator is nice but is just different to the Omega.
2.5 Senator is slow!
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If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
:-? Lotus Senator ? There's a Lotus Carlton.
Must be a DIY version, no official one was made that i know of :-/
hence the ue of the phrase THE Lotus Senator. You're young and so don't know everything about all things ;)
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If only I'd had a spare £10k when the Lotus Senator was for sale a few years ago :(
:-? Lotus Senator ? There's a Lotus Carlton.
Must be a DIY version, no official one was made that i know of :-/
hence the ue of the phrase THE Lotus Senator. You're young and so don't know everything about all things ;)
Hence the phrase 'must' & 'DIY' ::)
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Was fortunate enough to drive a 3.0 ex-plod Senny a few years back, must say that it was a good, taut drive at 65k-ish. However, although the Omega is definately for me the better car in ride quality and comfort, there is just "something" about the Senny that makes me still hanker after a good 24V one in Black...........
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The Senator looks better for cruising but the Omega handles better. Saying that thou the Senator is not that bad at handling for an old car :y
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blimey!! owned countless sennys and 24v carltons, my view?
engines far superior in the straight six
and they last a lot longer than the v6 in terms of maintenance,and no blooming awful cambelt and rollers to contend with, also no dreaded oil cooler syndrome!! engine far more accessible to work on and headgasket etc much easier to do
sports ride senny far better driving machine,
comfort? omega wins it with the softer ride and more compliant bushes etc, however they wear out 3 times faster than the senny carlton range,
bodywork? on balabce think the omega just takes it, as the senny and carlton did lose thier rear arches rather quiclly, however once done and waxoyled they never lost them again,
JM2PW
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may i point you to this post? the words by simon say it all really?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1279394927
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Had an 89 Senator CD for 13 years - a record at the time.
VERY minimal mechanical work needed but rear arches were going when I sold it and some of the 'chassis' box-sections didn't look too good either.
Electrics were a bit of a pain with various bits and pieces suffering.
I loved the digital dash and boot space was fantastic.
Senator and Omega both rear-ended other cars and Senator always came off best of the two. I shouldn't admit to that I know, but I wasn't always the driver!! ;D ;D
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I had a 24v Senny in the Falklands, it was an absolute rust bucket as it had been there most of it's life. Digi dash didn't work so i don't know how many miles it had, and there is no MOT requirement so the suspension was shot. But on the few tarmacked roads there is down there it floated like a cloud. It was inconceivable how comfortable it was! Then on the Stanley Road (gravel and potholes) it was like a (big) rally car! I grew up with Senators, they are what dreams are made of!
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The Omega has much better chassis balance (unless its the 2.5TD).
And I have said it loads of times....GIVE ME A CAMBELT OVER A CHAIN EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!
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im sure one of us jocks has the two of them in glasgow
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Brought a 1985 2.5 Senator....best car I ever owned.
Had it for 14 years, and apart from renewing tyres and exhaust, the only thing that went wrong was the idle control unit packed up...cost £85 to repair. I did put a new wing on (£40) just before I sold it as it started to rust where the electric aerial was fitted.
And that is why I now have an Omega....we shall see :y
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kensen had a sen and his names ken
so how about that then
now he has a mig
a 2.2 i thig :-[
i,ll get my coat