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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: 3.2 CHARLIE on 13 August 2010, 00:37:23
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Which is the BEST ?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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One model of car V's a whole range? :-?
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I would've thought that goes without saying.
Omega, cheap(ish) to buy, run, maintain and insure. Quality built to last. I always tell people that Omegas are the perfect compromise between speed, power, performance, luxury, economy, maintenance, style, prestige, comfort etc etc.
BMW, overpriced, over rated nothing special, with lots of badge snobbery and bad (arrogant) drivers.
But that's just my opinion!
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lol Break My Windows if you're a rep!!! Why didn't they use M3 lumps in the omegas?? :y that would be fun!!! can it be done?? :D :D
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I would've thought that goes without saying.
Omega, cheap(ish) to buy, run, maintain and insure. Quality built to last. I always tell people that Omegas are the perfect compromise between speed, power, performance, luxury, economy, maintenance, style, prestige, comfort etc etc.
BMW, overpriced, over rated nothing special, with lots of badge snobbery and bad (arrogant) drivers.
But that's just my opinion!
And mine. :y
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Top of the range Omega Vs. a top of the range B.M. 5 series (M5).
Hmmmm.... I wonder?
Even if you compared the V8 Monaro (am I allowed to say that word?) with the M5, I'm sure there would still be no contest...
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Top of the range Omega Vs. a top of the range B.M. 5 series (M5).
Hmmmm.... I wonder?
Even if you compared the V8 Monaro (am I allowed to say that word?) with the M5, I'm sure there would still be no contest..
You are trying to say that one car is better than another merely because it is faster, which isn't really a good comparison. That is only one aspect, what about someone who doesn't want to go fast?
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
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If I was offered an 03 MV6 or an 03 M5 both the same price (or free) the Omega wouldnt get a look in. :)
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
Ok lets even tje field.
2.5 TD Elite v 525 TD SE Both 1999 models
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But then you'd be paying twice as much to run it for half the comfort. I think most people have been brainwashed to think that BMWs are superior, and they subconciously perpetuate the myth.
The car in front, is a Toyota
The car cutting you up/speeding/tailgating/driving on phone/driving like an idiot/ is a BMW.
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The only way to settle this would be to find two equally priced, equally spec'd vehicles of the two marques of the same age. Not possible.
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But then you'd be paying twice as much to run it for half the comfort. I think most people have been brainwashed to think that BMWs are superior, and they subconciously perpetuate the myth.
The car in front, is a Toyota
The car cutting you up/speeding/tailgating/driving on phone/driving like an idiot/ is a BMW.
I agree with your first point, but you are equally brainwashed to think that everyone who drives a BMW is of the tailgating persuasion! :P
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Not brainwashed no, but my unbiased opinions, from my many, many observations, is that most of the cars performing said acts, are BMWs. Personal observations, not brainwashed.
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Not brainwashed no, but my unbiased opinions, from my many, many observations, is that most of the cars performing said acts, are BMWs. Personal observations, not brainwashed.
Nothing to do with the 3 series being the top selling, family saloon for several years, meaning there are shed loads on the road?
Anyways, I thought 'Audi' drivers were the cocks of the highway?
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There's shed loads of all kinds of cars on the road, and BMW drivers, from my observations are the worst by far. As you mention Audis are catching up aswell, as are Mercedes, and to a lesser extent VW. I don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there is good and bad everywhere, but this must be a German badge snobbery thing. Again, just my opinion.
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There's shed loads of all kinds of cars on the road, and BMW drivers, from my observations are the worst by far. As you mention Audis are catching up aswell, as are Mercedes, and to a lesser extent VW. I don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there is good and bad everywhere, but this must be a German badge snobbery thing. Again, just my opinion.
No Transit Van's in your list? Oh, they aren't German. ::)
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Like I said, i don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there's good and bad everywhere, I haven't particularly noticed a disproportionately high number of bad transit drivers. I drive a transit occassionally, I have to drive to compensate for other peoples idiocy. I would never buy a BMW, because i wouldn't want to be associated with this snobbery.
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Like I said, i don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there's good and bad everywhere, I haven't particularly noticed a disproportionately high number of bad transit drivers. I drive a transit occassionally, I have to drive to compensate for other peoples idiocy. I would never buy a BMW, because i wouldn't want to be associated with this snobbery.
Are you for real? 20 minutes ago you would have executed every BMW driver for cutting you up/speeding/tailgating/driving on phone/driving like an idiot/.
Way to go!
EDIT: I'll edit this post to apologise. I misread your post, and you were stating tat was the stereotype and not your belief! Again, I do apologise.
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There's shed loads of all kinds of cars on the road, and BMW drivers, from my observations are the worst by far. As you mention Audis are catching up aswell, as are Mercedes, and to a lesser extent VW. I don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there is good and bad everywhere, but this must be a German badge snobbery thing. Again, just my opinion.
See now that bugs me, not just you that does it either, people don't only buy BMW's or any other German brand for that matter just for badge snobbery, granted some people do, not everyone does though. Me I have a BMW and a Mercedes, why? Because I like them is the simple answer, if Vauxhall, Ford or anyone else made a car that I liked as much then I'd buy one of those, but the simple fact is they don't. Another reason for me buying these cars is the fact I do think they are made by the best companies out there, not everyones opinion I mean I must buy these cars because I drive like a prick and I'm a snob. Simple fact of the matter is you get pricks in every car there is on the road, but because German cars are popular they get the worst press, and it would seem to some people if you drive one of these horror sights on the road you are instantly a prick. Well if that's the case I'll carry on driving like and looking like along with being told by a lot of people I'm a prick for the car I drive!!
Rant over, now I haven't had a beer in ages and I fancy one now, but I don't touch the stuff these days, maybe I'll go for a drive.
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I thought you'd pick that up.
Notice I said 'many', not 'there isn't any'.
Just to confirm, of the few driver stereotypes, BMW drivers are really bad.
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There's shed loads of all kinds of cars on the road, and BMW drivers, from my observations are the worst by far. As you mention Audis are catching up aswell, as are Mercedes, and to a lesser extent VW. I don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there is good and bad everywhere, but this must be a German badge snobbery thing. Again, just my opinion.
See now that bugs me, not just you that does it either, people don't only buy BMW's or any other German brand for that matter just for badge snobbery, granted some people do, not everyone does though. Me I have a BMW and a Mercedes, why? Because I like them is the simple answer, if Vauxhall, Ford or anyone else made a car that I liked as much then I'd buy one of those, but the simple fact is they don't. Another reason for me buying these cars is the fact I do think they are made by the best companies out there, not everyones opinion I mean I must buy these cars because I drive like a prick and I'm a snob. Simple fact of the matter is you get pricks in every car there is on the road, but because German cars are popular they get the worst press, and it would seem to some people if you drive one of these horror sights on the road you are instantly a prick. Well if that's the case I'll carry on driving like and looking like along with being told by a lot of people I'm a prick for the car I drive!!
Rant over, now I haven't had a beer in ages and I fancy one now, but I don't touch the stuff these days, maybe I'll go for a drive.
Live sober, safe in the knowledge that the majority of 'pricks' drive Corsa's/207's/clit's with bodykits. :y
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But then you'd be paying twice as much to run it for half the comfort. I think most people have been brainwashed to think that BMWs are were superior, and they subconciously perpetuate the myth.
The car in front, is a Toyota
The car cutting you up/speeding/tailgating/driving on phone/driving like an idiot/ is a BMW.
They were were years ago, but then so were mercs.
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I thought you'd pick that up.
Notice I said 'many', not 'there isn't any'.
Just to confirm, of the few driver stereotypes, BMW drivers are really bad.
Then I retract my apology. BMW drivers are the same as everyone else. You get Old, Young, Male, Female drivers of ALL cars. What is it you think that makes these drivers who have a BMW emblem 'really bad'? ::)
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I thought you'd pick that up.
Notice I said 'many', not 'there isn't any'.
Just to confirm, of the few driver stereotypes, BMW drivers are really bad.
Then I retract my apology. BMW drivers are the same as everyone else. You get Old, Young, Male, Female drivers of ALL cars. What is it you think that makes these drivers who have a BMW emblem 'really bad'? ::)
The fact that most of the cars i see performing said acts are BMWs.
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There's shed loads of all kinds of cars on the road, and BMW drivers, from my observations are the worst by far. As you mention Audis are catching up aswell, as are Mercedes, and to a lesser extent VW. I don't think there are many driving stereotypes now, there is good and bad everywhere, but this must be a German badge snobbery thing. Again, just my opinion.
See now that bugs me, not just you that does it either, people don't only buy BMW's or any other German brand for that matter just for badge snobbery, granted some people do, not everyone does though. Me I have a BMW and a Mercedes, why? Because I like them is the simple answer, if Vauxhall, Ford or anyone else made a car that I liked as much then I'd buy one of those, but the simple fact is they don't. Another reason for me buying these cars is the fact I do think they are made by the best companies out there, not everyones opinion I mean I must buy these cars because I drive like a prick and I'm a snob. Simple fact of the matter is you get pricks in every car there is on the road, but because German cars are popular they get the worst press, and it would seem to some people if you drive one of these horror sights on the road you are instantly a prick. Well if that's the case I'll carry on driving like and looking like along with being told by a lot of people I'm a prick for the car I drive!!
Rant over, now I haven't had a beer in ages and I fancy one now, but I don't touch the stuff these days, maybe I'll go for a drive.
I didn't say everyone buys them for badge snobbery. I didn't say you're a prick or a snob. I've got nothing against BMW drivers, that would be arrogant of ME, and I'm not like that. Many other people who I speak to agree with the BMW driver sterotype, above all else.
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I thought you'd pick that up.
Notice I said 'many', not 'there isn't any'.
Just to confirm, of the few driver stereotypes, BMW drivers are really bad.
Then I retract my apology. BMW drivers are the same as everyone else. You get Old, Young, Male, Female drivers of ALL cars. What is it you think that makes these drivers who have a BMW emblem 'really bad'? ::)
The fact that most of the cars i see performing said acts are BMWs.
Such a sad argument. As previously stated. The 3 Series has been the best selling family saloon for a few years. There are millions of the ugly things on the roads. Statistically, you'll be cut up by one. You have that stereotype lodged in your head, and that's why if ONE cuts you up, you'll register it.
I like BMW's. I like the fact that they are one if few marques who produce decent luxury vehicles with 'proper' leather. I'm narked that they also sell tat in the form of their base models. Naughty BMW! >:(
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
Ok lets even tje field.
2.5 TD Elite v 525 TD SE Both 1999 models
Having had both, BM would leave the Mig standing.
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I thought you'd pick that up.
Notice I said 'many', not 'there isn't any'.
Just to confirm, of the few driver stereotypes, BMW drivers are really bad.
Then I retract my apology. BMW drivers are the same as everyone else. You get Old, Young, Male, Female drivers of ALL cars. What is it you think that makes these drivers who have a BMW emblem 'really bad'? ::)
The fact that most of the cars i see performing said acts are BMWs.
Such a sad argument. As previously stated. The 3 Series has been the best selling family saloon for a few years. There are millions of the ugly things on the roads. Statistically, you'll be cut up by one. You have that stereotype lodged in your head, and that's why if ONE cuts you up, you'll register it.
I like BMW's. I like the fact that they are one if few marques who produce decent luxury vehicles with 'proper' leather. I'm narked that they also sell tat in the form of their base models. Naughty BMW! >:(
How is it a sad argument? It is the most robust qualifying statement a person can make; their own unbiased observations.
I don't know why BMW drivers are like that, but they are.
As many top psychologists will tell you (I'm not one btw): "attitude drives behaviour".
So when I ee said BMW driving in said manner, i daren't think what their attitude is!
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(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b460/tapper888/oldbmw.jpg)
quality was good in them days.
brother owned it thou, he drove like a knob :D
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
Ok lets even tje field.
2.5 TD Elite v 525 TD SE Both 1999 models
Having had both, BM would leave the Mig standing.
not price wise
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How a BMW should be:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/park_monkey/Drift%20Pics/Buxton%20140310/?action=view¤t=006.jpg
I couldn't find one where it was more smashed up ahahahahahahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D
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(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b460/tapper888/006.jpg)
as smashed as i am. im of to bed..
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There is a transit in the background, i bet he doesn't drive like a BMW.
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E38 7 series, gorgeus cars imo.If I wasnt scared of the potential running costs, I would buy one tomorrow.
Nothing to do with which badge is or isnt on the front,I just think they are lovely cars.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqbYNiI_Mw[/media]
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As many top psychologists will tell you (I'm not one btw): "attitude drives behaviour".
So when I ee said BMW driving in said manner, i daren't think what their attitude is!
Exactly.
BMW make fine cars from what I've seen. But well overpriced for what they are, based on e39d touring,(touring means estate by the way, the w**kers) it sounds not like a d, turbo spins up nicely, the car gives a good impression just listening to it drive past, but it fails in the same areas omegas do, wayward handling, cam cover leaks for the same reasons on the petrols, sensors and bushes, of which there are twice as many, all fail the same.
So why pay extra for the same? Iirc, e39 owner said mine has more power than his 3.0.diesel, which he paid 21k for! Why? Because of the badge, image(well he got that wrong as well) and thought he was getting more car for twice the money. Ho loves it as a car, but curses at it 20 times more than I curse at mine, plus I have a large lump of cash still in the bank.
He does not drive like a cock by the way, unlike most, so I still think he has the wrong car....obviously. :)
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Never been a big fan of the BMW looks being honest other than one, don't know what type it was but has a pointed front with pop up head lights and its V8 sounded lovely.
Again its horses for courses, they sell alot of BMW's so they must be pretty good. :y
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Never been a big fan of the BMW looks being honest other than one, don't know what type it was but has a pointed front with pop up head lights and its V8 sounded lovely.
Again its horses for courses, they sell alot of BMW's so they must be pretty good. :y
8 series, 840ci :y
Yes thats the one Del Boy :y I googled to have a look and that is one gorgeous looking car. I would also buy one and not care what anyone else thought :P
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/bmw-840ci.jpg)
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Never been a big fan of the BMW looks being honest other than one, don't know what type it was but has a pointed front with pop up head lights and its V8 sounded lovely.
Again its horses for courses, they sell alot of BMW's so they must be pretty good. :y
That would be the 6 Series CSi?
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Darn!! Too slow!! :)
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8 series, 840ci
2002ti? Or perhaps a 1980's 635CSi. :-*
Wouldn't touch their current offering, putting aside the fact that nobody would let me out of T junctions. ;)
Yes, they have got more popular, because they have cheapened their offering to Mondeo level to get more of the repmobile market but are trading on a reputation built in the 1970's and 1980's and, IMHO, it shows in the quality.
The Omega is the better car for me, for so many reasons.
Kevin
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Here you go Del Boy and other BMW lovers I would have something like this :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-BMW-CI-AUTO-YELLOW-/140439703918?pt=Automobiles_UK
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You are trying to say that one car is better than another merely because it is faster, which isn't really a good comparison. That is only one aspect, what about someone who doesn't want to go fast?
I'm not TRYING to say anything, I stated that, in my opinion, an M5 is a better car than a top of the range Vauxhall... I wasn't necessarily on about how fast they go, in fact I didn't mention performance at all...
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Good debate lads but here's my opinion..
Who cares which one is better......? Its again all down to personal choice.If you think a BM is a better car then go buy one...
There is no better car than the one you have a personal passion for..
My mother has a Renault Scenic and she thinks thats the best car on the road :o
I think the Omega is the better car,but again thats only because i like the way it drives,looks etc so i would argue all day long that its better than the same spec BMW(that doesnt mean its 'technically' better) its just better for me :y
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leaving the BMW drivers aside as its totally a different subject, in order to compare them we must take similiar size chasis and engine models..
imo 5 series is comparable only, as 7 series are bigger than omega..
520 , 525 , 530 must be the comparison range..
now if you compare them with
tco (total cost of ownership) / technical performance miggy will always win..
however for technical specs only some of BMW specs like variable valve timing technology, zf autobox, dsc (dynamic stability control) shows those cars are better in engineering respect..
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8 series, 840ci
2002ti? Or perhaps a 1980's 635CSi. :-*
Wouldn't touch their current offering, putting aside the fact that nobody would let me out of T junctions. ;)
Yes, they have got more popular, because they have cheapened their offering to Mondeo level to get more of the repmobile market but are trading on a reputation built in the 1970's and 1980's and, IMHO, it shows in the quality.
The Omega is the better car for me, for so many reasons.
Kevin
This was my second ever car 2002Tii circa 1974 - the first being an under-powered 1602 in a delightful teal colour;
(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/Catdracula/scan0001-1.jpg)
The 635 was indeed a very desireable machine
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Never been a big fan of the BMW looks being honest other than one, don't know what type it was but has a pointed front with pop up head lights and its V8 sounded lovely.
Again its horses for courses, they sell alot of BMW's so they must be pretty good. :y
8 series, 840ci :y
Yes thats the one Del Boy :y I googled to have a look and that is one gorgeous looking car. I would also buy one and not care what anyone else thought :P
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/bmw-840ci.jpg)
I agree Del, what a lovely car 8-) I wouldn't have any problem with owning (and driving) one.
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I own a Omega 3.0 Elite Auto estate(facelift) and a BMW 525i SE touring(previous shape).
The BMW is more refined than the Omega (just).
It is certainly more economical (probably due to the manual gearbox).
The performance is very similar. I assume the Omega is the heavier car.
The BMW is definitely more reliable. I have only replaced tyres and brake pads in 4 years of ownership.
However, after everything I have just written I do love my Omega, it is the car I would like to keep for as long as possible :o :o
I wish I could say why.......I just don't know! Perhaps you do have to be a little insane to own one ;D ;D ;D
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You are trying to say that one car is better than another merely because it is faster, which isn't really a good comparison. That is only one aspect, what about someone who doesn't want to go fast?
I'm not TRYING to say anything, I stated that, in my opinion, an M5 is a better car than a top of the range Vauxhall... I wasn't necessarily on about how fast they go, in fact I didn't mention performance at all...
Well comparing totr Omega to an M5 isn't a fair and proper comparison. A luxury saloon to an f1 derived engined road car with a 5 litre v10 and 507bhp?. The whole point of the m5 and all m cars for that matter is speed and performance, which when you make the comparison, it suggests it is the performance you are talking about.
I like to think they are all made from the same bits of stuff that come out the ground, and just happen to think that Vauxhalls do it better for cheaper :)
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I'd have a BMW 5 series over an Omega any day, but I couldn't afford a comparable one to mine. You get what you pay for I suppose, the Omega remains the best compromise though, and I still love it :)
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
Ok lets even tje field.
2.5 TD Elite v 525 TD SE Both 1999 models
Having had both, BM would leave the Mig standing.
I was trying not to base it arround the engine but as we know the mig one is detuned.
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You are trying to say that one car is better than another merely because it is faster, which isn't really a good comparison. That is only one aspect, what about someone who doesn't want to go fast?
I'm not TRYING to say anything, I stated that, in my opinion, an M5 is a better car than a top of the range Vauxhall... I wasn't necessarily on about how fast they go, in fact I didn't mention performance at all...
Well comparing totr Omega to an M5 isn't a fair and proper comparison. A luxury saloon to an f1 derived engined road car with a 5 litre v10 and 507bhp?. The whole point of the m5 and all m cars for that matter is speed and performance, which when you make the comparison, it suggests it is the performance you are talking about.
I like to think they are all made from the same bits of stuff that come out the ground, and just happen to think that Vauxhalls do it better for cheaper :)
Ok then if we're going on about fair, why are you comapring a BMW 5 Series E60 (2003-2010) which was introduced into production in 2003 to a car which went out of production in 2003? You'd have to compare the BMW 5 Series E39 (1996-2003) to make it a fair test :-?
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The topic title is Omega -vs.- B.M.W.
...f1 derived engined road car with a 5 litre v10 and 507bhp?.
Surely thats got to be better than something cobbled together by G.M.?
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You are trying to say that one car is better than another merely because it is faster, which isn't really a good comparison. That is only one aspect, what about someone who doesn't want to go fast?
I'm not TRYING to say anything, I stated that, in my opinion, an M5 is a better car than a top of the range Vauxhall... I wasn't necessarily on about how fast they go, in fact I didn't mention performance at all...
Well comparing totr Omega to an M5 isn't a fair and proper comparison. A luxury saloon to an f1 derived engined road car with a 5 litre v10 and 507bhp?. The whole point of the m5 and all m cars for that matter is speed and performance, which when you make the comparison, it suggests it is the performance you are talking about.
I like to think they are all made from the same bits of stuff that come out the ground, and just happen to think that Vauxhalls do it better for cheaper :)
Ok then if we're going on about fair, why are you comapring a BMW 5 Series E60 (2003-2010) which was introduced into production in 2003 to a car which went out of production in 2003? You'd have to compare the BMW 5 Series E39 (1996-2003) to make it a fair test :-?
Well Del Boy, I'm not comparing a BMW 5 Series E60 (2003-2010) to an Omega, someone else is. I'm saying it's a bad comparison, it's all in the posts. I'd rather compare a BMW to a lump of chod. I know which is better :)
And Brikhead, why has an M5 got to be better than something that GM 'cobbled together? Define 'better'? Because it's faster? No. There are hundreds of ways to compare any particular item. 'M' cars are stupid cars, completely irrelevant to anyone.
It seems a little strange, on an Omega forum I'm the only one fighting the corner of the Omega against that other car.
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Nothing wrong with sticking up for an Omega, but calling BMW's rubbish just because you're defending something is a bit childish really. As far as I was aware you mentioned a 5.0 V10, which is out of the E60, others just mentioned an M5. If you don't like them, then say I don't like them, but a full boar moan up about BMW, how terrible they really are, how terrible all the drivers are and anything associated with BMW is just a bit sad if you ask me. I'd be saing exactly the same if I didn't have one too.
It's a shame you're so far away as I'd bring my BMW around to you to see if you still thought it was terrible.
By the way you said when mentioning ///M cars how terrible they were, why did you call the M5 a luxury saloon earlier then? Surely it's an awful terrible saloon which had absolutely no purpose on this planet because it has a BMW badge on it ::)
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You could compare an omega to a bmw e39 which both go around the same age, or the e34 against the Omega A. BMW's are all about build quality reliability and performance, dont get me wrong, i like both but i think generally BMW's are better in there own way, both fairly equally priced but i know which id rather have.
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ive got a 2004 330d msport and i love it! then again i love my 3.2 v6 special just as much,some very childish views being expressed im afraid!! :D
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Nothing wrong with sticking up for an Omega, but calling BMW's rubbish just because you're defending something is a bit childish really. As far as I was aware you mentioned a 5.0 V10, which is out of the E60, others just mentioned an M5. If you don't like them, then say I don't like them, but a full boar moan up about BMW, how terrible they really are, how terrible all the drivers are and anything associated with BMW is just a bit sad if you ask me. I'd be saing exactly the same if I didn't have one too.
It's a shame you're so far away as I'd bring my BMW around to you to see if you still thought it was terrible.
By the way you said when mentioning ///M cars how terrible they were, why did you call the M5 a luxury saloon earlier then? Surely it's an awful terrible saloon which had absolutely no purpose on this planet because it has a BMW badge on it ::)
Del Boy, please read my posts in the correct context then everything will run smoothly.
I'm not saying BMWs are rubbish to defend something else?!?! How the hell does that work?!?! So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Also, I didn't refer to an M5 as a luxury saloon, I referred to an Omega as a luxury saloon. Again, it's all in the posts.
It's not sad to have a big moan about them. In any case I'm not moaning. As i stated before, I'm stating my unbiased observations. Therefore it is reasonable to induce all BMW drivers are bad, as of all the ones I have seen none of them are any good. they all do things wrong either little or big. i try to be the best every time i go out, no matter how little. Too many people just get in a car and make it move, not drive it, they might know how to operate the controls, but they certainly can't drive.
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Nothing wrong with sticking up for an Omega, but calling BMW's rubbish just because you're defending something is a bit childish really. As far as I was aware you mentioned a 5.0 V10, which is out of the E60, others just mentioned an M5. If you don't like them, then say I don't like them, but a full boar moan up about BMW, how terrible they really are, how terrible all the drivers are and anything associated with BMW is just a bit sad if you ask me. I'd be saing exactly the same if I didn't have one too.
It's a shame you're so far away as I'd bring my BMW around to you to see if you still thought it was terrible.
By the way you said when mentioning ///M cars how terrible they were, why did you call the M5 a luxury saloon earlier then? Surely it's an awful terrible saloon which had absolutely no purpose on this planet because it has a BMW badge on it ::)
Del Boy, please read my posts in the correct context then everything will run smoothly.
I'm not saying BMWs are rubbish to defend something else?!?! How the hell does that work?!?! So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Also, I didn't refer to an M5 as a luxury saloon, I referred to an Omega as a luxury saloon. Again, it's all in the posts.
It's not sad to have a big moan about them. In any case I'm not moaning. As i stated before, I'm stating my unbiased observations. Therefore it is reasonable to induce all BMW drivers are bad, as of all the ones I have seen none of them are any good. they all do things wrong either little or big. i try to be the best every time i go out, no matter how little. Too many people just get in a car and make it move, not drive it, they might know how to operate the controls, but they certainly can't drive.
Indeed you didn't I apologise :y
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Can we take a vote on this as to which is better? :D ;D
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Yes, Omega, end of vote, omega wins 8-)
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lol damn must of missed the vote ::)
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Oh well then,
I must be one of these very poor drivers as I drive an E30. A much better car than my migs by far..sorry.
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Nice car mate, BMW wins over Omega im afraid for me 2.
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Nice car mate, BMW wins over Omega im afraid for me 2.
Thanks, never lets me down, unlike the migs, but still love them!
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love that convertible e30....theres only one thing better than a straight six bmw and thats a staright six convertible bmw!! :y :y
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Come on now you can't be serious, that ugly sister is one of the most ugliest things I've ever seen. It's loud and vulgar.
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Whats vulgar?
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That horrible car with no roof
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Come on now you can't be serious, that ugly sister is one of the most ugliest things I've ever seen. It's loud and vulgar.
You know how you get those people who get on their soap box because they don't own one :y
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Oh well then,
I must be one of these very poor drivers as I drive an E30. A much better car than my migs by far..sorry.
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That's nice Amego 8-) I would own and drive one with pleasure. :y :y
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Please, we need the bus thread back....... :'( :'( :'(
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Come on now you can't be serious, that ugly sister is one of the most ugliest things I've ever seen. It's loud and vulgar.
You know how you get those people who get on their soap box because they don't own one :y
Yeah i know those people. I also know those people who have one (whatever that may be) and think that what they have is so great, that everyone else wants one. Not the case at all. Are you suggesting I wish I had one? I would absolutely not want to be associated with the sickening badge snobbery of anything, least of all a BMW.
I'm not on my soap box, explain what you mean by that. We are having a reasoned debate about cars, not silly tit tat about 'soap boxes'
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I know that a 5 Series BMW is prob the nearest comparison to an Omega but my sister has a BMW 116 as a company car. It is only 18 months old now but has been back to the dealer on several occasions and is so UNRELIABLE it is unreal. Most of the problems have been electrical and it has been towed in by the AA twice. She has said that if it were her own car she would be very very unhappy!!
:o
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E38 7 series, gorgeus cars imo.If I wasnt scared of the potential running costs, I would buy one tomorrow.
Nothing to do with which badge is or isnt on the front,I just think they are lovely cars.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqbYNiI_Mw[/media]
Hello , I have a 1998 728 as well as my 3.2 Elite , The E38 as only Covered 71,000 miles and the auto-box as Gone so BMW's Down on my list at the moment . Well built apart from the box Regards ;D ;D ;D
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I know that a 5 Series BMW is prob the nearest comparison to an Omega but my sister has a BMW 116 as a company car. It is only 18 months old now but has been back to the dealer on several occasions and is so UNRELIABLE it is unreal. Most of the problems have been electrical and it has been towed in by the AA twice. She has said that if it were her own car she would be very very unhappy!!
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Any car can have that problem from new.
I knew of a guy whose Corniche broke down in its first week - timing chain issue
I personally bought a brand spanking Astra GTE 1/8/84 had so many probleams I sold it 8 months later to buy a new sylvia turbo and vowed newer again to touch vauxhall.
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Come on now you can't be serious, that ugly sister is one of the most ugliest things I've ever seen. It's loud and vulgar.
You know how you get those people who get on their soap box because they don't own one :y
Yeah i know those people. I also know those people who have one (whatever that may be) and think that what they have is so great, that everyone else wants one. Not the case at all. Are you suggesting I wish I had one? I would absolutely not want to be associated with the sickening badge snobbery of anything, least of all a BMW.I'm not on my soap box, explain what you mean by that. We are having a reasoned debate about cars, not silly tit tat about 'soap boxes'
I think there may be some "inverted snobbery"regarding badges going on here. ::) ;)
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Come on now you can't be serious, that ugly sister is one of the most ugliest things I've ever seen. It's loud and vulgar.
You know how you get those people who get on their soap box because they don't own one :y
Yeah i know those people. I also know those people who have one (whatever that may be) and think that what they have is so great, that everyone else wants one. Not the case at all. Are you suggesting I wish I had one? I would absolutely not want to be associated with the sickening badge snobbery of anything, least of all a BMW.
I'm not on my soap box, explain what you mean by that. We are having a reasoned debate about cars, not silly tit tat about 'soap boxes'
I think there may be some "inverted snobbery"regarding badges going on here. ::) ;)
Aah, such clarity of vision displayed by my wise one from the east. 8-) :y :y
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No-one ever had problems with theyre omegas then? ::)
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And Brikhead, why has an M5 got to be better than something that GM 'cobbled together? Define 'better'? Because it's faster? No.
Not just better performance wise, a better design, better built, better engineered, ergonomically better, better looking, better in every way. Excluding price...
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So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Isn't that what you did with my post?
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Not brainwashed no, but my unbiased opinions, from my many, many observations, is that most of the cars performing said acts, are BMWs. Personal observations, not brainwashed.
Nothing to do with the 3 series being the top selling, family saloon for several years, meaning there are shed loads on the road?
Anyways, I thought 'Audi' drivers were the cocks of the highway?
here hang on my wife has a A3----------no on second thouhts your quite right ;)
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What stupid thread with some very stupid ill thought out replies.
And why on earth would GM want to stick an inferior BMW M series engine in one of its cars.....just look at what they have in their own parts bin.
Mental
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An objective and balanced view. ::) :-X ;D ;D ;D
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The answer is..... neither.
No contest obviously:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORuocSgVlk
lol
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So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Isn't that what you did with my post?
No Brikhead I didn't.
And Brikhead you say excluding price. Think I'll give up now what's the point in continuing when contending with illogical arguments like that?
Just been out for half an hour in the van on an errand.
1. Cut up by BMW undertaking, speeding and forcing me out of lane.
2. Witnessed BMW blatantly go through red light, turn wrong way into one way traffic, nearly crash, then abuse other motorists.
Just in half an hour.
A disproportionately high number of RTCs I attend involve BMWs, which generally appear to be at fault (at least the drink driving one was who walloped the copper, as was the one who rear ended a transit at 100 mph, as was the one driving too fast and piled through some railings nearly hitting kids, I could go on.
"Let's all join an Omega forum and gang up on geoffr70 for daring to defend the Omega."
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So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Isn't that what you did with my post?
No Brikhead I didn't.
And Brikhead you say excluding price. Think I'll give up now what's the point in continuing when contending with illogical arguments like that?
Just been out for half an hour in the van on an errand.
1. Cut up by BMW undertaking, speeding and forcing me out of lane.
2. Witnessed BMW blatantly go through red light, turn wrong way into one way traffic, nearly crash, then abuse other motorists.
Just in half an hour.
A disproportionately high number of RTCs I attend involve BMWs, which generally appear to be at fault (at least the drink driving one was who walloped the copper, as was the one who rear ended a transit at 100 mph, as was the one driving too fast and piled through some railings nearly hitting kids, I could go on.
"Let's all join an Omega forum and gang up on geoffr70 for daring to defend the Omega."
Lets tar every BMW driver with the same brush and then complain about everything BMW. I'd lay money that there were many other bad driving incidents on your journey, but because BMW you have to talk about it. I saw an idiot in a Corsa this morning, reveresed into someone in a Murco garage, I in my BMW didn't reverse into anyone. That does it as far as I'm concerned! Now I think all Vauxhall drivers are idiots now.
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So I would suggest that it is childish to not read posts properly then make incorrect comments on them.
Isn't that what you did with my post?
No Brikhead I didn't.
And Brikhead you say excluding price. Think I'll give up now what's the point in continuing when contending with illogical arguments like that?
Just been out for half an hour in the van on an errand.
1. Cut up by BMW undertaking, speeding and forcing me out of lane.
2. Witnessed BMW blatantly go through red light, turn wrong way into one way traffic, nearly crash, then abuse other motorists.
Just in half an hour.
A disproportionately high number of RTCs I attend involve BMWs, which generally appear to be at fault (at least the drink driving one was who walloped the copper, as was the one who rear ended a transit at 100 mph, as was the one driving too fast and piled through some railings nearly hitting kids, I could go on.
"Let's all join an Omega forum and gang up on geoffr70 for daring to defend the Omega."
Lets tar every BMW driver with the same brush and then complain about everything BMW. I'd lay money that there were many other bad driving incidents on your journey, but because BMW you have to talk about it. I saw an idiot in a Corsa this morning, reveresed into someone in a Murco garage, I in my BMW didn't reverse into anyone. That does it as far as I'm concerned! Now I think all Vauxhall drivers are idiots now.
You're wrong Del Boy. I'm not tarring them all with the same brush. As I said, a disproportionately high number of them are bad. Yeah you're right about other incidents on my journey, but ones involvong BMWs always seem to be the worst/most deliberate. As I said I've got nothing against them, they're lumps of metal after all, just prefer Vauxhalls and as already stated they aren't driven very well.
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"x" plate omega price compared to"x" plate 5? series?
Ok lets even tje field.
2.5 TD Elite v 525 TD SE Both 1999 models
the 525 TD SE but only because it has a full fat engine not a strangled one
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This "Debate" is going nowhere. ::)
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About as interesting as the Global warming debates...., but whatever floats you boat.... :D :D :D