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Title: Another i-phone type query
Post by: hotel21 on 22 August 2010, 22:53:00
My mobile has been out of contract for a while and now looking for a potential replacement.

As some of you know, I travel up and down the country on a reasonably regular basis and as such, would like a good mapping facility.  Not neccessarily TomTom as I have a setup already with traffic master and such, but thinking OS survey mapping.

I also engage in something called geocaching (Hiya TD and others) so would like something that could also cover this without taking a seperate GPS device as its not always loaded with the info I need for a last minute journey.

Also like the idea of an MP3 player or i-pod type device.

You can see where this is heading....

Is the latest incarnation of i-phone worth the effort or is there something out there that will do the above without the potential grief that cutting edge technology can sometimes bring?

Comments (reasonable, repeatable!) welcomed...v ;)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: hotel21 on 22 August 2010, 23:01:33
Oh!  And internet access....  Gotta watch the OOF....   ::)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Del Boy on 22 August 2010, 23:03:41
Me and one of my sons have the iPhone 4. Worth every penny, the new display on this model is fantastic. I'd say get one to be honest :y
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 22 August 2010, 23:05:51
...if The Boy has one, all be it an older model, over and above his beloved winDOH!s mobile, and despite his derogatory remarks about crapple on here, then I think it's time to admit it's the best option at the moment....?

Anything else is full of bugs, nokia, phoney ericsson, struggling.

Google seems the only other option, no experience with them though, or the geo thing mentioned.

Fact is, apple works, and simply, just does. Flash issues aside of course. Another topic for Newent no doubt.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 August 2010, 23:10:23
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Flash issues aside of course.

Flash is rubbish on any platform though. With a bit of luck web authors will stop plastering it all over the place soon, when they realise a good proportion of us hit the "back" button as soon as we see the tell tale CPU load maxxing out. ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 22 August 2010, 23:11:37
Just to add, I have iPad, same os as iPhone 3G. It is faultless on oof, handles the small page buttons surprisingly well for big fingers on a, admittedly bigger, touch screen. And it's quick, very quick via wifi.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: hotel21 on 22 August 2010, 23:12:08
To be fair, my SE 905 has been a good phone.  Good reception, almost always a signal. Easy web use (albeit Opera) just the mapping and sounds that let it down TBH.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: tunnie on 22 August 2010, 23:26:42
has to be iPhone for needs you list, go for a 3G-S, there will be loads on fleabay at the moment, just upgrade it to OS-4.

I run a SatNav called n-Drive only cost a fiver, works ok, full turn by turn sat nav, and lane assist. For tinernet browsing iPhone has it licked for ease of use, Flash support is an issue, but some flast files a huge anyway and take ages to download.

I've had my company one for about months now, love it!

TV-Catchup is a worth while app/link, Freeview TV on iPhone for free  :)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 22 August 2010, 23:32:57
Good camera, but I get the impression other Sony erricsons struggle to truly understand the concept of multitasking, the whole point of a smartphone as I understand it. Juggling tom-tom, texts ,phone calls, oofing  on the move etc without closing the applications involved?

Old Iphone gets round multitasking by remembering where it was when last closed, so not true multitasking I would suggest, iphone4 is said to embrace mt fully afaik, therefor it wins if so, for me anyway.

N900 multitasks well, can see all apps running in their minimised widows, videos and satnav running away in the back ground, it copes well with loads of stuff open at once, p,ss poor browser with dialogue boxes though, can't recommend it sadly  >:( :'( it likes the news on here, not! As I'm sure you'll recall  ::)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: CaptainZok on 22 August 2010, 23:42:21
Not sure if the gayphone can do the memory map stuff tbh so winmo could be your best option.
Tomtom, os maps/atoz, google maps and a shed load of other gps stuff all running on mine with the built in gps.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: jereboam on 22 August 2010, 23:52:04
I recently acquired a SE W995 which is anything but a smartphone.

But it's got all the bells and whistles you coud want, apart from a touch screen or a Qwerty keypad.  Wi-fi works well, but internet use is a pain without a proper keypad, and the screen's a bit small.  It's got GPS, too, and there's a SatNav application, although I haven't tried that - I think you may have to pay for it.

It's a Walkman model, so good music facilities, and there's an 8Gb memory card included.  And there's an 8.1Mp camera.  And stereo speakers. 

Best of all, it was a free upgrade. :)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 August 2010, 08:11:05
It has to be an android phone for your needs.

The iphone offers nothing extra other than a higher price tag.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Xplicit 2.0 on 23 August 2010, 08:21:02
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It has to be an android phone for your needs.

The iphone offers nothing extra other than a higher price tag.

but for the love of god dont get the blackberry curve.... i want to launch my temp work one out the window as writing a text proves difficult when ur fingers n thumbs cover 33% of the buttons when trying to press jst 1 of them
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Plomien on 23 August 2010, 08:24:48
I have just got the Nokia N97 mini and have found it to be excellent.
Qwerty keyboard, good size screen, 8Gig of built in memory with card slot to increase
The Nokia Sat Nav is also very good as well and best of all its free :y
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: bluehawk on 23 August 2010, 09:00:38
I have the SE experia X10 and find that quite good large screen runs android and find i get a better response from the touchsceen keyboard than the apple, hundreds of apps out there for it.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 19:06:35
Look at the various options at Newent.

Memory Map on Windows works very well, OS maps on crApple rely on internet connectivity (the ones I've seen).  But Win 6.5 is dead, Win7 not out, and not backwards compat. 2 reasons I gave up with Windows Mobile - 1) HTC are about only manufacturers, 2) dead technology.

Symbian is a has been, too expensive for OEMs to implement. Doubt it will be mainstream for much longer.

Android is fast going the same ay as Symbian, according to analysts, Google currently publically stating they will not change their OEM agreements.  Has potential if they could get a decent OEM behind it, as HTC have lost their way.  Later versions don't work well with current OOF, due to browser bug.  There are alternate browsers though.

Gooseberry, only any good for corporates, individuals should avoid like the plague.

crApple. It does exactly what it says. Perfectly.  Accept for 2 mojor bombshells:
1) Signal strength for phone is abysmally bad in weak areas.  I can not emphasize that enough.
2) Its Apple, and Apple are 10,000,000 times worse than Microsoft for wanting to rule your life, and enforcing their way upon you.
3) Gay


You are welcome to have a play with a gayPhone at Newent.  Your son has recent Android to play with, no other choices really....
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 19:08:42
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has to be iPhone for needs you list, go for a 3G-S, there will be loads on fleabay at the moment, just upgrade it to OS-4.

I run a SatNav called n-Drive only cost a fiver, works ok, full turn by turn sat nav, and lane assist. For tinernet browsing iPhone has it licked for ease of use, Flash support is an issue, but some flast files a huge anyway and take ages to download.

I've had my company one for about months now, love it!

TV-Catchup is a worth while app/link, Freeview TV on iPhone for free  :)
Why stick iOS 4 on it? iOS4 offers jack schmit over iPhone OS3.1

nDrive is now £30. Poor value compared to more established ones.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: Squidy on 23 August 2010, 20:16:57
my best mate works in Carphone, and he says a lot of iphones are being returned and people are switching to android- and android HTC's are the phones to have at the moment! but i also have a nokia 5800 and the ovi maps is one of the best satnav's i've ever used!

i would go android when my upgrades due in a few months!
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: pembsomega on 23 August 2010, 20:33:11
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has to be iPhone for needs you list, go for a 3G-S, there will be loads on fleabay at the moment, just upgrade it to OS-4.

I run a SatNav called n-Drive only cost a fiver, works ok, full turn by turn sat nav, and lane assist. For tinernet browsing iPhone has it licked for ease of use, Flash support is an issue, but some flast files a huge anyway and take ages to download.

I've had my company one for about months now, love it!

TV-Catchup is a worth while app/link, Freeview TV on iPhone for free  :)
Why stick iOS 4 on it? iOS4 offers jack schmit over iPhone OS3.1

nDrive is now £30. Poor value compared to more established ones.

Os3.1 doesn't have folders which helps organise all your apps etc and also many new apps will only work on the newer os.  8-)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 23 August 2010, 20:39:31
"Gooseberry".   Pmsl. ;D
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 20:59:32
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has to be iPhone for needs you list, go for a 3G-S, there will be loads on fleabay at the moment, just upgrade it to OS-4.

I run a SatNav called n-Drive only cost a fiver, works ok, full turn by turn sat nav, and lane assist. For tinernet browsing iPhone has it licked for ease of use, Flash support is an issue, but some flast files a huge anyway and take ages to download.

I've had my company one for about months now, love it!

TV-Catchup is a worth while app/link, Freeview TV on iPhone for free  :)
Why stick iOS 4 on it? iOS4 offers jack schmit over iPhone OS3.1

nDrive is now £30. Poor value compared to more established ones.

Os3.1 doesn't have folders which helps organise all your apps etc and also many new apps will only work on the newer os.  8-)
Hardly a must-have feature, certainly not worth the hassle if you have older phones...
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 21:04:22
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my best mate works in Carphone, and he says a lot of iphones are being returned and people are switching to android- and android HTC's are the phones to have at the moment! but i also have a nokia 5800 and the ovi maps is one of the best satnav's i've ever used!

i would go android when my upgrades due in a few months!
Get in quick, many analysts are giving Android 18 months ;)


I too know people who work at the Carphone Whorehouse, but would I be cynical enough to say that they promote Android due to better margins, and better stock availability  :-X

I believe Android did outsell the crApple gayPhone for 2 months over the summer in the US. Some analysts say this is due to them being sick of crApple's closed systems.



I wouldn't dare suggest which phone is best, all have strengths and weaknesses. Horses for courses.  Best phone I ever had was a Nokia 6190.... ;)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 August 2010, 21:06:16
Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 21:13:19
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Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
crApple are the scum of the earth, but its trendy to love them and hate Microsoft....


...if only these gays would open their eyes ;)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 August 2010, 21:20:08
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Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
crApple are the scum of the earth, but its trendy to love them and hate Microsoft....


...if only these gays would open their eyes ;)

Indeed my TP2 is quite shiny as well. ;D
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 21:36:55
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Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
crApple are the scum of the earth, but its trendy to love them and hate Microsoft....


...if only these gays would open their eyes ;)

Indeed my TP2 is quite shiny as well. ;D
My TP wasn't shiney after I was done with it. It had been bounced off walls too many times. A classic example of what went wrong with HTC
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 August 2010, 21:49:55
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Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
crApple are the scum of the earth, but its trendy to love them and hate Microsoft....


...if only these gays would open their eyes ;)

Indeed my TP2 is quite shiny as well. ;D
My TP wasn't shiney after I was done with it. It had been bounced off walls too many times. A classic example of what went wrong with HTC
It ain't too bad, the occasional random lock up or going away with the faries excepted.
At least it doesn't hard reset when the battery goes flat like 2003 did.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 22:08:05
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Thats what winds me up about crapple, they anounce a feature on the gayphone that the rest of us have been using for years like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey it's shiny isn't it. ;D ;D
crApple are the scum of the earth, but its trendy to love them and hate Microsoft....


...if only these gays would open their eyes ;)

Indeed my TP2 is quite shiny as well. ;D
My TP wasn't shiney after I was done with it. It had been bounced off walls too many times. A classic example of what went wrong with HTC
It ain't too bad, the occasional random lock up or going away with the faries excepted.
At least it doesn't hard reset when the battery goes flat like 2003 did.
LOL, pre WM5, windows mobile was unusable due to that issue with flat batteries ;D

One thing I will have to say about the gayPhone, Mrs TheBoy has had hers since November, and its never, ever crashed/glitched/thrown a rod. It does simply just do what it says on the tin...


...still gay though ;D
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 23 August 2010, 22:09:51
This is it for me, bugs, apple afaict, release a far far more finished product. Nokia Insist on turning out so many phones they can't possibly de bug it prior to release. To the point that 5 or 6 firmware updates later and it's still not sorted, by which time to opposition have moved on and nokia themselves have released 2 or 3 other phones. Rubbish.

Apple have one phone and continually work to improve that one phone. The 3GS now replaced by the 4. Hence they kick nokias arse, and others to a lesser extent, seems to me anyway. Apples signal bug aside of course, which does make me smile, poor Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: TheBoy on 23 August 2010, 22:13:14
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This is it for me, bugs, apple afaict, release a far far more finished product. Nokia Insist on turning out so many phones they can't possibly de bug it prior to release. To the point that 5 or 6 firmware updates later and it's still not sorted, by which time to opposition have moved on and nokia themselves have released 2 or 3 other phones. Rubbish.

Apple have one phone and continually work to improve that one phone. The 3GS now replaced by the 4. Hence they kick nokias arse, and others to a lesser extent, seems to me anyway. Apples signal bug aside of course, which does make me smile, poor Steve Jobs.
Remember, all gayPhones suffer from poor signal, not just the well publicised gayPhone 4 issue (which is unbelievably bad, yet crApple initially try to deny, then claim all smartphones suffer).

To see how back it is, next time you see a gayPhone 4, hold it normally, so you hand 'shorts out' 2 of the 3 metal sections of the case, and watch the signal strength drop over 30 - 45s (from full signal to no signal)
Title: Re: Another i-phone type query
Post by: feeutfo on 23 August 2010, 22:26:37
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This is it for me, bugs, apple afaict, release a far far more finished product. Nokia Insist on turning out so many phones they can't possibly de bug it prior to release. To the point that 5 or 6 firmware updates later and it's still not sorted, by which time to opposition have moved on and nokia themselves have released 2 or 3 other phones. Rubbish.

Apple have one phone and continually work to improve that one phone. The 3GS now replaced by the 4. Hence they kick nokias arse, and others to a lesser extent, seems to me anyway. Apples signal bug aside of course, which does make me smile, poor Steve Jobs.
Remember, all gayPhones suffer from poor signal, not just the well publicised gayPhone 4 issue (which is unbelievably bad, yet crApple initially try to deny, then claim all smartphones suffer).

To see how back it is, next time you see a gayPhone 4, hold it normally, so you hand 'shorts out' 2 of the 3 metal sections of the case, and watch the signal strength drop over 30 - 45s (from full signal to no signal)
I just did remember I thought? Didnt stop you though? Gave up WinDOH's in favour of your own gay crApple, I don't buy the Mrs The Boy's phone excuse. Pink case or no pink case  ;)