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Title: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 13:28:13
Man in a roadsweeper coming down hythe hill, well over my side of the road I'd say a good 6 ft into my lane, I see him coming so slowed think he'd get over, nope not a chance!! Forced me to scuff my lovely new 19" BMW spider alloys, scuff and rip and tear, near mint Avon ZZ3 tyres on the passenger side, scuffed drivers side front bumper from the impact also scuffed the drivers side mirror and pushed it in. He just continued driving, I then turned and raced after him, found him down the hill next to a building site, followed him flashing him tooting him, didn't even know I was doing it not paying attention at all obviously to his mirrors, then he's driving around back to the site and mounted the curb twice!

So spoke to the driver obviously I was angry and not in the mood for him to say, I didn't even see you nor did I know I was on your side of the road. Wound me up, but had already spoken to a woman at their office. The managing director then rang and aske what had gone on, he then sounded as if he was trying to get out of it saying, the driver says you came at him he couldn't get over anymore. MD then said I'll have a word when he gets back to the yard, and call you Tuesday!!!!

Where do I stand with this 1000% not any fault of mine, but I sit here with knackered alloys, two ripped and gauged tyres, a scuffed bumper and a scuffed mirror!
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Jimbob on 27 August 2010, 13:32:38
Your driving a BMW, therefore the whole world knows its their right of way not yours  ;D

Seriously though, sounds crap...how you get it sorted without too much grief, and the Speak tuesday wasnt really an ancronym for See(C) You(U) Next Tuesday  >:(
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Gaffers on 27 August 2010, 13:44:46
You need to go back and take photos of the impact on the kerb which will show how far over he was.  As it sounds like he clipped you tooso those 2 arguments will show complete disregard on his behalf. 

The sticking point will be if the road has lines down the middle.  If not then it's a 50/50 I'm afraid.  You have to prove he was over the lines when he collided with you.  Get that and he's bang to rights  :y

BTW, I'd have more sympathy for you if you were in a miggy or a jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 14:04:15
Yep, lines down the road, am going back now to take pictures. Cheers gaffers  ;D ;D

I'll need to pm you later too  :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: feeutfo on 27 August 2010, 14:21:28
Any situation like that, get the reg of the vehicle, then first thing you need is an independent witness, or it will be your word against his, and without a witness he can make up any old rubbish and get away with it.

So as said, gather as much evidence as you can, but if your with direct line it won't make any odds, if they can't sort it on the phone to a witness it will go 50/50 and they won't lift a dam finger otherwise.

Wish you luck  :(
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 27 August 2010, 14:23:57
Very sorry to hear that Del!! :'( :'(

Now this may be a very long shot, but perhaps worth a try; speak to the police about it, state how the driver was acting, with going over kerbs, and suggest he may have been drinking!   A long shot yes, and may get nowhere, but worth a try in view of the situation ;) ;) ;)  You obviously have the name of the firm involved.....and their driver?? ;) ;)

All the best whatever Del ;) ;)
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Elite Pete on 27 August 2010, 14:28:17
If you've knackered the N/S alloys and tyres its obvious you couldn't get any further over and he's caught the O/S bumper and mirror then he must have been on your side of the road unless it was a very narrow road.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 27 August 2010, 14:29:43
Sad news indeed Del :( :(

As G suggests I would take photographs of the scene as events unfolded, damage to your vehicle, marks to the topography (kerb, scuffs on road and so on) and any marks on the sweeper as a result of the collision.

As a matter of course I would report the matter to the police alleging driving without due care, failure to stop etc. on the part of the driver of the sweeper.

All further contact with the operators of the sweeping service should be backed up by written communication and if sent by mail, done so by recorded delivery.

I would be inclined to act quickly as the longer you leave it, the weaker your case will be.  I would also get checked over to discount the possibility of any injury sustained on your part.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 27 August 2010, 14:38:44
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Sad news indeed Del :( :(

As G suggests I would take photographs of the scene as events unfolded, damage to your vehicle, marks to the topography (kerb, scuffs on road and so on) and any marks on the sweeper as a result of the collision.

As a matter of course I would report the matter to the police alleging driving without due care, failure to stop etc. on the part of the driver of the sweeper.

All further contact with the operators of the sweeping service should be backed up by written communication and if sent by mail, done so by recorded delivery.

I would be inclined to act quickly as the longer you leave it, the weaker your case will be.  I would also get checked over to discount the possibility of any injury sustained on your part.


Yes, sound advice; act very quickly! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: beemerdevil on 27 August 2010, 14:46:36
sorry to hear that Del ......... speshley the beemer !! - hope you get a result mate  :y :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 14:52:48
Dels son posting this as my dad is driving, got pictures of the curb, silver scuffs all up the curb got a slight wheel wobble now too. Got the witness too.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 27 August 2010, 15:02:49
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Dels son posting this as my dad is driving, got pictures of the curb, silver scuffs all up the curb got a slight wheel wobble now too. Got the witness too.


That's great!! :y :y :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: pscocoa on 27 August 2010, 15:14:05
I have been in this situation many years ago. First thing is to write to the company holiding them responsible for any losses you may incur in this matter including hire car for the time your car is off the road for repairs..

What is not clear from your report is whether roadsweeper was passing on your side of the road to avoid an obstacle on his side of the road.

If there was an obstacle then the reckless driving bit is going to be more difficult as it will be an issue as to who entered the narrow part of the road first.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 15:18:51
Nothing his side of the road, put it this way, two buses got through whilst taking the pictures.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: pscocoa on 27 August 2010, 15:31:45
As said by others - an independent witness is important. When it happened to me I was fortunate to have one as the driver of the other vehicle at first denied his wrong doing. They did not push it too much as it was a company car and settled all my costs.

Maybe you will be lucky with this also as road sweeper driver will not have any personal financial loss if they admit liability. The terms of their insurance will probably prevent them from openly admistting liability so you want to be in dialogue with their insurers as soon as possible if company is not going to settle directly. Get an estimate of damage and estimate of car hire charges as soon as possible and forward it to them - if they recognise that you are administratively organised to deal with this they may see sense at an early stage, oh and ask for name and address of their insurers.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: beemerdevil on 27 August 2010, 15:32:58
sounds like you got a good case there Del - good luck with it  :y :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 19:40:55
Pictures of the curb with half my alloys up it  >:( >:(. This isn't the whole curb with alloy up it, but it's a 60mph road and difficult to stand there and take the pictures.

Pics:

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii38/GrizzlyLiam/68fccd53.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii38/GrizzlyLiam/1638fe3e.jpg)

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Will upload pictures of the car in due course.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 27 August 2010, 19:47:18
You contact your insurance company, provide the details and pics and let them sort it
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: joshwyatt on 27 August 2010, 19:56:30
Sorry to hear that Del, must be bloody annoying. When it's someone else's fault, and damage is caused to your vehicle or property it can be terribly annoying. I hope you get it all sorted. Especially as the BMW is for sale, that makes it worse. When that moron in the Saab knocked the front bumper of the Range Rover, it was on the day someone was coming to look at it. Hopefully you'll get sorted soon  :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 20:02:21
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Sorry to hear that Del, must be bloody annoying. When it's someone else's fault, and damage is caused to your vehicle or property it can be terribly annoying. I hope you get it all sorted. Especially as the BMW is for sale, that makes it worse. When that moron in the Saab knocked the front bumper of the Range Rover, it was on the day someone was coming to look at it. Hopefully you'll get sorted soon  :y
Someone was supposed to be collecting it next week  >:( >:( Now it's going to have to go back to BMW to be repaired, I won't have anyone else touching it.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 20:31:48
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Dels son posting this as my dad is driving, got pictures of the curb, silver scuffs all up the curb got a slight wheel wobble now too. Got the witness too.

What a bugga, specially the last day of the week before a bank holiday is here.


Right.- put me straight if I am wrong.

Decent road, not in sweep mode on way back to depot.

Parked  - cars none?

1 Motorist saw the event.

Contact made.

Whislt trying to avoid heavy duty vehicle to allow him to drive round you rather then through you to avoid you.

Was afternoon as on way back
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Ok, Might be a big piss up in it for me with this info  ::)  (Only joking)

Most sweepers can be driven as Left or right hand drive.

So, lets say he is in holiday mode and off to start his bank holiday weekend, been to the pub for a lunch and a pint or three and carry on the a relaxed attidtude towards the rest of the day.

On his way to the depot he spots a guy a beemer driving towards him as if he was doing it purpose (Lets face it the sweeper driver thinks all drivers of nice posh cars will make way for a mucky old sweeper) and he was right the beemer driver slows and changes direction (as expected) doesnt realise the fact the made contact due to size and weight difference. We know the rest on catch up with him.

Ok.  Damege to 2 sides of your car caused by a single road sweeper.  Sumup is simple, space left not big enough for width of your car so damaged caused.  But bloody hard to proove.

The director says he will get back to you tuesday.

That gives this guy/situation. a chance for the driver to sober up, the company a chance to inspect the damage on the truck and if there is a scuff polish it out.


I personally think it is very easy the reason why it happened.

the lower you are to the grouned and dependent on rea/scenry/town/country the more aware of your distance from the kerbs/verge etc.  Westfield - Omega - Transit - sweeper - Artic etc then a different veiw vantage of the road ahead for one, but more importantly the view to our left.

Now me as a driver focus on the middle of a single carriage road if no markings and am allways prepared to give way as no right or wrong if signs or road makings there to dictate.

On a road with a dotted  centre line then I would never drive on any road with my wheel over thier side if traffic is on the same road of any thing was on the road for that mater and when there is trafic coming towards me it's just a natural reaction to allow space for the other road users acording to the road width.  Lets face it we all know how wierd it feels travelling on our daily routes and realising how odd the centre road line is when we travel as passeners.

But consider this, driving back totally relaxed, switched off from the centre line as you are just monitoring a sucicede junky coming wards in a beemer, but you then relax, problem over, you saw the beemer move over so the white line got forgotton about.  Not really a problem, Mr sweeper sat behind the wheel as normal, normal road position according to his driving style and totally aware of his road pressnce/size.  It's so obvious he cant move over, he knows the width of the the road sweeper, and it's too big and exspensive to move towards the left as he has no space to do so.

So all down the the beemer driver, lets face it the road sweeper man knows he is doing nothing wrong, and has the last laugh as he does'nt pay the company's imsurance premiums.










Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 20:32:22
Ooop's

Sad twart forgot some thing so simple and basic.

He was is right hand drive mode, reality check, he was driving left hand mode.

Case Closed your Honour

[size=18]BUSTED[/size]

and confirmed

Why

remember the witness
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 20:35:20
The half a road sweeper he thought was to his helft, was actally to his right and direct in front of del where the driver actually thought he was.

Hence a false road positon.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 20:42:39
Phil you're a clever man, you summed it up really. Good to speak to you earlier too  :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 20:49:13
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Sorry to hear that Del, must be bloody annoying. When it's someone else's fault, and damage is caused to your vehicle or property it can be terribly annoying. I hope you get it all sorted. Especially as the BMW is for sale, that makes it worse. When that moron in the Saab knocked the front bumper of the Range Rover, it was on the day someone was coming to look at it. Hopefully you'll get sorted soon  :y

Sorry to rub in what I have posted before,but was looking for Tunnies BMW DVR cam thread but cant find it yet.

But was also thing of the Monaro that was test driven by a garage, and then posted on you tube.  ( so need that link again.)

You both need a portable DVR, Tunnies was /is less than a tenner and an 8gb card can be got for less than a tenner

or

http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/index.html

Possibly a worth while investment for more than just the car traders. ::)
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 21:09:17
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Phil you're a clever man, you summed it up really. Good to speak to you earlier too  :y


It was a great chat Del and so nice to talk to another member rather that chat.  :y

Also appologies.  Have been ill this week, any way still alive but typing like and drunken centipede. so sorry the post took too long. :-[
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 21:19:26
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Phil you're a clever man, you summed it up really. Good to speak to you earlier too  :y


It was a great chat Del and so nice to talk to another member rather that chat.  :y

Also appologies.  Have been ill this week, any way still alive but typing like and drunken centipede. so sorry the post took too long. :-[
For what mate? It was a good chat  :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 August 2010, 21:20:43
Just to add to my camera post.

The monaro driver was convicted because of the built in GPS that shows dtail play back in video replay. after flicking through that web link I cant seem to reconise the GPS unit.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: belldarr on 27 August 2010, 22:37:23
I had a very similiar thing happen a little while ago, although not as serious as this - a small van just ran into my rear bumper in traffic, small mark nothing serious but we swapped details and i then spent the next 2 months trying to speak to someone at the company so see how to resolve - was only a fill and paint after all, but they never called me back so in desperation I called my insurance company and they could tell who their insurance company was using the reg number of the van and they then dealt with it from there - car was booked in 2 days later and repaired and I got all my excess back and no claims unnafected and I so wished I had made the call on day one.

So my advice is don't wait for them to dick you around - get in touch with your insurers and let them rip a hole in the other party with hire car costs etc, your blood pressure will be better for it.

Darren
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 23:30:36
Right pain in the arse all of this.

If *touch wood* all goes well how do you think they'll pay me? Now insurance excesses on lorries are huge, so do you think they'll pay via cheque or what? It'll be expensive, I mean a drivers side door from BMW was pretty close to £1900, what's a front bumper, mirror, alloys and tyres going to cost?
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 August 2010, 23:43:15
First thing you need to do, IMHO, is to report the failure to stop to the Police. They may be inclined to send someone to the yard for a nosey around and, if they are going to get defensive, the sooner the better.

Second thing to do is to get your insurance company / legal cover working on chasing them. If it's as clear cut as you say, they will get very keen on extracting a settlement from them rather than paying out, and they have more legal clout than you alone.

Kevin
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Vamps on 27 August 2010, 23:50:05
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First thing you need to do, IMHO, is to report the failure to stop to the Police. They may be inclined to send someone to the yard for a nosey around and, if they are going to get defensive, the sooner the better.

Second thing to do is to get your insurance company / legal cover working on chasing them. If it's as clear cut as you say, they will get very keen on extracting a settlement from them rather than paying out, and they have more legal clout than you alone.

Kevin

I fear that contacting the Police, in particular, and his Insurance company is now to late, the Police certainly will not be interested now, given the time scales. I do not want to give bad news but I would guess this will end up as a 50/50, I do hope I am proved wrong
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 August 2010, 23:54:37
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First thing you need to do, IMHO, is to report the failure to stop to the Police. They may be inclined to send someone to the yard for a nosey around and, if they are going to get defensive, the sooner the better.

Second thing to do is to get your insurance company / legal cover working on chasing them. If it's as clear cut as you say, they will get very keen on extracting a settlement from them rather than paying out, and they have more legal clout than you alone.

Kevin

I fear that contacting the Police, in particular, and his Insurance company is now to late, the Police certainly will not be interested now, given the time scales. I do not want to give bad news but I would guess this will end up as a 50/50, I do hope I am proved wrong

You're probably right. In hindsight, pursuing the truck was probably the wrong course of action. Getting his number plate and reporting it to the Police, and remaining at the scene and finding a witness would have been better. Still, the red mist descends on such occasions and we don't necessarily do the right thing. :(

Kevin
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 27 August 2010, 23:58:08
Will ring the Police when I get up in the morning  :y Did mean to do it earlier, but I totally forgot to be honest. May have to ring my insurance company too then.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Vamps on 28 August 2010, 00:02:39
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First thing you need to do, IMHO, is to report the failure to stop to the Police. They may be inclined to send someone to the yard for a nosey around and, if they are going to get defensive, the sooner the better.

Second thing to do is to get your insurance company / legal cover working on chasing them. If it's as clear cut as you say, they will get very keen on extracting a settlement from them rather than paying out, and they have more legal clout than you alone.

Kevin

I fear that contacting the Police, in particular, and his Insurance company is now to late, the Police certainly will not be interested now, given the time scales. I do not want to give bad news but I would guess this will end up as a 50/50, I do hope I am proved wrong

You're probably right. In hindsight, pursuing the truck was probably the wrong course of action. Getting his number plate and reporting it to the Police, and remaining at the scene and finding a witness would have been better. Still, the red mist descends on such occasions and we don't necessarily do the right thing. :(
Kevin

Absolutely........
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Vamps on 28 August 2010, 00:04:29
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Will ring the Police when I get up in the morning  :y Did mean to do it earlier, but I totally forgot to be honest. May have to ring my insurance company too then.

Sorry to say but I feel that your delay on both counts may be costly.... :(
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Welung666 on 28 August 2010, 00:06:10
Here you go Mr. S ;)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbQ_KOGBcQ[/media]

... and the link:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbQ_KOGBcQ
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 28 August 2010, 02:46:31
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Here you go Mr. S ;)



... and the link:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbQ_KOGBcQ

You star.  :y :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 28 August 2010, 03:00:37
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Right pain in the arse all of this.

If *touch wood* all goes well how do you think they'll pay me? Now insurance excesses on lorries are huge, so do you think they'll pay via cheque or what? It'll be expensive, I mean a drivers side door from BMW was pretty close to £1900, what's a front bumper, mirror, alloys and tyres going to cost?

A couple of things come to mind.

You could get the guy in cherge to get a copy of his drivers daily route and discretely get him to follow him in an unkown car for an hour, that way he gets an idea if the drivers habbits and the way he rides kerb corners.

You could also mention you are motor trade, he is obviously a business man and wangle into the chat it was 95% sold, if he is smart he may well buy the car and have it fixed himself.  But the deal would have to be at the advertised value with a sighned gaurantee against any of the damaged caused by his sweeper.

He may well value his no claims as the car could be a hell of a lot cheaper option.

If he is a lucky SOAB he might park it up wjile he thinks about and you never know, it might get hit by a truck.  :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 28 August 2010, 23:40:38
Killed wheels pictures:

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Scuffed mirror and bumper pictures will be up soon.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 28 August 2010, 23:47:11
Ouch!!!!!
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 29 August 2010, 00:06:37
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Ouch!!!!!
I know  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 30 August 2010, 08:08:03
Me and sons have terrble back pain now. What do we have to do regarding injuries?
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 30 August 2010, 15:26:57
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Me and sons have terrble back pain now. What do we have to do regarding injuries?

See a doctor  ::)
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 31 August 2010, 17:00:08
Re stuff that happened Friday, spoke to his boss after he never returned the call, he called back after I'd rang him and said, driver has no recognition of hitting me, but he gave me all his insurance details and said go through the insurance. Where do I go from here, get an quote for the work and then get it done?
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: joshwyatt on 31 August 2010, 17:12:56
What sort of insurance do you have? Motor trade insurance, or was the car privately insured? Are you comp, or tpo?
If tpo get the work done yourself, and then claim it back. If comp just leave it until they sort it for you.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 31 August 2010, 17:24:57
I'll be going through his. This is privately insured. :y
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Shackeng on 31 August 2010, 18:13:12
FYI I had adriver hit me and drive off, after causing minor damage. I took his number and reported it to the police, who gave me his address! I got a quote for the repair and sent it to him, and had a
cheque for the cost by return.

If you have reported it to the police, it does put you on stronger ground.
Title: Re: Just been hit in the BMW
Post by: Del Boy on 01 September 2010, 16:23:06
Noticed earlier, after this has gone on, have got the wheel wobble as mentioned, for some reason I turned the radio off earlier, can here a suspension knock now too. This won't be bloody cheap.