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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
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Add political opponents, 24 hour broadcast news and spouses and I happily agree with you BJ 8-) :y :y
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Add political opponents, 24 hour broadcast news and spouses and I happily agree with you BJ 8-) :y :y
i doubt any true socialists give a monkeys, Z :y
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Add political opponents, 24 hour broadcast news and spouses and I happily agree with you BJ 8-) :y :y
i doubt any true socialists give a monkeys, Z :y
True socialists are an endangered species nowadays BJ ;D :y
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Add political opponents, 24 hour broadcast news and spouses and I happily agree with you BJ 8-) :y :y
i doubt any true socialists give a monkeys, Z :y
True socialists are an endangered species nowadays BJ ;D :y
I thought David "Dave" Cameron was all for "Power to the people" - he must be from the Tooting Popular Front ;D
theres more out there than you'd suspect Zulu :y
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does it really matter???..........................ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does it really matter???..........................ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.
no.........which was my point precisely.............. ;D ;) :y
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DILLIGAF - it's how he does his job that is of interest to me
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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
As usual, you seem to miss the point entirely. ::)
As I understand it, this 25-year old ex-driver was chosen to be Hague's Special Advisor, despite having zero experience in the role. The question is, therefore, why the UK Foreign Secretary should overlook better-qualified candidates and appoint a friend. After all, it is a public appointment and the role of Foreign Secretary is somewhat important.
The fact that he shared a hotel room with this friend during the campaign is clearly a gross error of judgement. If he had shared a room with a girl of 25, he would be widely criticised, so why should he not be equally criticised because his room partner was male?
It's nothing to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with poor judgment and apparent nepotism. ::)
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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
As usual, you seem to miss the point entirely. ::)
As I understand it, this 25-year old ex-driver was chosen to be Hague's Special Advisor, despite having zero experience in the role. The question is, therefore, why the UK Foreign Secretary should overlook better-qualified candidates and appoint a friend. After all, it is a public appointment and the role of Foreign Secretary is somewhat important.
The fact that he shared a hotel room with this friend during the campaign is clearly a gross error of judgement. If he had shared a room with a girl of 25, he would be widely criticised, so why should he not be equally criticised because his room partner was male?
It's nothing to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with poor judgment and apparent nepotism. ::)
correction.
Daily Mail readers, god-botherers and Nickbat.
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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
As usual, you seem to miss the point entirely. ::)
As I understand it, this 25-year old ex-driver was chosen to be Hague's Special Advisor, despite having zero experience in the role. The question is, therefore, why the UK Foreign Secretary should overlook better-qualified candidates and appoint a friend. After all, it is a public appointment and the role of Foreign Secretary is somewhat important.
The fact that he shared a hotel room with this friend during the campaign is clearly a gross error of judgement. If he had shared a room with a girl of 25, he would be widely criticised, so why should he not be equally criticised because his room partner was male?
It's nothing to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with poor judgment and apparent nepotism. ::)
Absolute rubbish... it is purely and simply to do with selling papers...
Rule one for an editor .. if sales are down .. make up a headline that implies a senior politician has a hidden secret... make it vague enough that there are no actual facts stated ... then get the story on TV
Thousands of self opinionated idiots will then pontificate of the rights and wrongs of the so called "facts", making up even more "facts" to justify their positions .. and you will sell more papers.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
And IMHO you have fallen for their line.
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Personally, I feel that it`s none of my concern, which (legal) sexual or gender preferences a person has, be they public or private. 8-)
It would be ironic however, given that in his youth he rabble-roused, sending those 'old school' Tory conference crowds into hysterical apoplexy with his Tory-boy speeches (and bearing in mind he fully supported the then Section 28); that perhaps he himself is actually "one of those", so disliked by that still extent core of deeply judgemental Daily Mail Tories. ;D
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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
As usual, you seem to miss the point entirely. ::)
As I understand it, this 25-year old ex-driver was chosen to be Hague's Special Advisor, despite having zero experience in the role. The question is, therefore, why the UK Foreign Secretary should overlook better-qualified candidates and appoint a friend. After all, it is a public appointment and the role of Foreign Secretary is somewhat important.
The fact that he shared a hotel room with this friend during the campaign is clearly a gross error of judgement. If he had shared a room with a girl of 25, he would be widely criticised, so why should he not be equally criticised because his room partner was male?
It's nothing to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with poor judgment and apparent nepotism. ::)
Not in the world I live in he wouldn't.
Morality in this country is pretty much a thing of the past for the majority. As noted above, it's only in order to bring political opponents down that these points are raised.
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Daily Mail readers, god-botherers and Nickbat.
Aside from the sensational sexual aspect of the matter, Nick does make some very important points BJ.
There has been a worrying lack of judgement shown by some of those in government over the recent past. I would have no doubt that as a result of this, the ability of those entrusted with the responsibility of discharging such duties can quite justifiabily be called into question.
With the country all but destroyed by personal excess and lax government, surely we should demand that those in government should display some degree of horse-sense when conducting their business?
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.....sorry, I thought we were a decade into the 21st century, surely only Daily Mail readers and god-botherers get vexed about anyones sexuality these days? ::)
As usual, you seem to miss the point entirely. ::)
As I understand it, this 25-year old ex-driver was chosen to be Hague's Special Advisor, despite having zero experience in the role. The question is, therefore, why the UK Foreign Secretary should overlook better-qualified candidates and appoint a friend. After all, it is a public appointment and the role of Foreign Secretary is somewhat important.
The fact that he shared a hotel room with this friend during the campaign is clearly a gross error of judgement. If he had shared a room with a girl of 25, he would be widely criticised, so why should he not be equally criticised because his room partner was male?
It's nothing to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with poor judgment and apparent nepotism. ::)
Absolute rubbish... it is purely and simply to do with selling papers...
Rule one for an editor .. if sales are down .. make up a headline that implies a senior politician has a hidden secret... make it vague enough that there are no actual facts stated ... then get the story on TV
Thousands of self opinionated idiots will then pontificate of the rights and wrongs of the so called "facts", making up even more "facts" to justify their positions .. and you will sell more papers.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
And IMHO you have fallen for their line.
Fallen for a line? Huh?
The post of UK Foreign Secretary is one which demands first -class judgment. The appointment of an unqualified 25-year old as a Special Advisor naturally attracted the attention of the many MP-watchers on the internet. It was soon revealed that, in addition to Mr Myer's post as Hague's driver, there was a personal friendship between the two (and, no, I'm not insinuating anything sexual). In the pubic sector, it is incumbent to be entirely impartial when making appointments. It is for this reason that FOI requests have been made by Paul Staines to discover exactly how Myers was chosen as a SpAd.
Hague has shown poor judgement. It is right that he should be called to account. We need, more than ever, a Foreign Secretary whose judgement is beyond question.
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Once again, members of our appointed, and elected "Government" have not only shown that they are not fit to be in their role, but those who "police" the Government have not acted to advise when they should have.
Wether Mr Hague is gay or not is his own concern and his wife and families, but it should NOT get in the way of the countries interest and affairs of state.
Grave error of judgement at the very least, Gross stupidity at the likeliest. Dangerous at the most, because it leaves him in the position of trust (at the moment) with serious concerns of possible repercussions to the Governments credibility.
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Once again, members of our appointed, and elected "Government" have not only shown that they are not fit to be in their role, but those who "police" the Government have not acted to advise when they should have.
Wether Mr Hague is gay or not is his own concern and his wife and families, but it should NOT get in the way of the countries interest and affairs of state.
Grave error of judgement at the very least, Gross stupidity at the likeliest. Dangerous at the most, because it leaves him in the position of trust (at the moment) with serious concerns of possible repercussions to the Governments credibility.
Bravo! At least there's someone else on here that can see the real problem. :y :y
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I am slightly worried that some comments on here seem to suggest that one's job dictates one's potential. So taking that in context I ask once you are a blue collar you are sigmatised as someone who is unable to acquit themselves in a low-paid and junior government role? I used to work 16 hour shifts in a rank and filthy potato packaging plant carrying sacks of potatoes around. A friend then offered me a job in his bar, was he wrong to do so considering there were others more qualified? Also I am now in a management role in charge of dozens of people, should I have stayed working in factories because that is what I started doing?
Ok, he's a friend. But then I would give a job to a friend if they were capable and I could afford it.
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Nick, all due respect but if you think "Hague appoints unqualified friend as advisor" was the story I feel you're missing the point entirely and being a tad naive in thinking that theres no other element to these tales. Fact is I'd rather have an elected MP in place and have him determine who he wants as his special advisor or whatever rather than some anonymous, un-elected blogger gossiping on the internet like some electronic fish-wife.
Besides, as I'm sure it's slowly dawning on Mr Fawkes et al, no one really could give 2 hoots about who William Hague is or isn't sleeping with in any case.....so I guess bleating about the public good and corruption is his first, best and only line of defence ;D :y
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I believe that William Hague was educated at a comprehensive school......so he is less likely to be gay than if his bottom had been regularly rogered...... as is common in the public school system.. ::) ::) ;)......On a personal level ....I really don't give a shit... :y :y :y
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Nick, all due respect but if you think "Hague appoints unqualified friend as advisor" was the story I feel you're missing the point entirely and being a tad naive in thinking that theres no other element to these tales. Fact is I'd rather have an elected MP in place and have him determine who he wants as his special advisor or whatever rather than some anonymous, un-elected blogger gossiping on the internet like some electronic fish-wife.
Besides, as I'm sure it's slowly dawning on Mr Fawkes et al, no one really could give 2 hoots about who William Hague is or isn't sleeping with in any case.....so I guess bleating about the public good and corruption is his first, best and only line of defence ;D :y
Fact is I'd rather have an elected MP in place and have him determine who he wants as his special advisor
Are you sure JB? I know Guido can be strident at times but is this not how the last government lost its way when there appeared to be more 'special advisors' running things than elected politicians?
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I believe that William Hague was educated at a comprehensive school......so he is less likely to be gay than if his bottom had been regularly rogered...... as is common in the public school system.. ::) ::) ;)......On a personal level ....I really don't give a shit... :y :y :y
You make it sound sooooo attractive Opti. I wish I had been fortunate enough to attend :(
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This thread reminds me of a Ben Elton sketch, which I've not been able to find, unfortunately. In the sketch he describes each of the nine levels of Dante's inferno and how each one surpasses the previous in its level of despair.
He gets the the ninth level, where Satan himself sits. Surely this must be the bottom of the pit?
"But no, ladies and gentlemen, there is a level below this, where the editor of the Mirror sits."
"Looking up at Satan's @rse to see if he's queer." ;D
Kevin
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Lord Tebbit has said he [Hague] had been "naive at best, foolish at worst".
I am wondering whether those are qualities we would wish to find in a Foreign Secretary.
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Nick, all due respect but if you think "Hague appoints unqualified friend as advisor" was the story I feel you're missing the point entirely and being a tad naive in thinking that theres no other element to these tales. Fact is I'd rather have an elected MP in place and have him determine who he wants as his special advisor or whatever rather than some anonymous, un-elected blogger gossiping on the internet like some electronic fish-wife.
Besides, as I'm sure it's slowly dawning on Mr Fawkes et al, no one really could give 2 hoots about who William Hague is or isn't sleeping with in any case.....so I guess bleating about the public good and corruption is his first, best and only line of defence ;D :y
Fact is I'd rather have an elected MP in place and have him determine who he wants as his special advisor
Are you sure JB? I know Guido can be strident at times but is this not how the last government lost its way when there appeared to be more 'special advisors' running things than elected politicians?
another storm in a teacup, Zulu - a 25 year old history and law graduate working for the Foreign Office isn't a story surely? It's been leaked, I would guess, by elements from the right of the tory party who hate the coalition, to an all too eager press, desperate for any salacious gossip.
Besides, if their was any impropriety and Hague was banging him and thats how the guy got the job, then why wouldn't Hague book seperate rooms? - he's never struck me as a particularly stupid person :y
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Lord Tebbit has said he [Hague] had been "naive at best, foolish at worst".
I am wondering whether those are qualities we would wish to find in a Foreign Secretary.
I'm sure there are worse things you can find in a Foreign Secretary ::) ;D
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another storm in a teacup, Zulu - a 25 year old history and law graduate working for the Foreign Office isn't a story surely? It's been leaked, I would guess, by elements from the right of the tory party who hate the coalition, to an all too eager press, desperate for any salacious gossip.
Besides, if their was any impropriety and Hague was banging him and thats how the guy got the job, then why wouldn't Hague book seperate rooms? - he's never struck me as a particularly stupid person :y
That's a fair enough one BJ 8-) :y I wouldn't consider Mr Hague to be in the least stupid but I think an important element in this issue is the Foreign Secretary's lack of awareness in how such circumstances could indeed be skewed by malicious individuals in the very way they have been.
It seems to lack the essential horse-sense required for survival I mentioned earlier in those who would occupy such lofty office.
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while hagues sexual orientation is his own business, and a matter for him to deal with behind closed doors, there are two elements that concern the rest of the good ol' british public.
first, the key question is that of 'integrity'. the man is foreign secretary and an elected MP based on his suggested integrity. if he HAS been entertaining himself with the assistance of a 25 year old man while he is married, the wider question of integrity will be inevitably asked, as it was with simon hughes, deputy leader of the lib dems when he was found guilt of spending his 'hard-earned' on a rentboy from time to time. not to mention the massive error of judgement a man in his position with his responsibility really shouldnt be making.
secondly, the coalition government, and in particular 'diamond dave', has said in the wake of expenses and civil servant scandals that they will reduce the number of special advisors the government currently entertains. with the inclusion of this controversial character at hague's side, this means he has three special advisors... those previously in his job have only had two. not quite in keeping with the party line.
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another storm in a teacup, Zulu - a 25 year old history and law graduate working for the Foreign Office isn't a story surely? It's been leaked, I would guess, by elements from the right of the tory party who hate the coalition, to an all too eager press, desperate for any salacious gossip.
Besides, if their was any impropriety and Hague was banging him and thats how the guy got the job, then why wouldn't Hague book seperate rooms? - he's never struck me as a particularly stupid person :y
That's a fair enough one BJ 8-) :y I wouldn't consider Mr Hague to be in the least stupid but I think an important element in this issue is the Foreign Secretary's lack of awareness in how such circumstances could indeed be skewed by malicious individuals in the very way they have been.
It seems to lack the essential horse-sense required for survival I mentioned earlier in those who would occupy such lofty office.
good argument Zulu, but Nickbat made the same point so I can't agree with you ;D ;D :y ;)
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when i used to work away all the time i shareda room with strangers on the job sometimes as its cheaper, and share with a mate when going away for weekends,so what. cant see what all the fuss is about. quite pathetic that its made headlines that he shared a room to be honest. yes its in the news that hes given the job to someone with no experience but thats it.
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when i used to work away all the time i shareda room with strangers on the job sometimes as its cheaper, and share with a mate when going away for weekends,so what. cant see what all the fuss is about. quite pathetic that its made headlines that he shared a room to be honest. yes its in the news that hes given the job to someone with no experience but thats it.
While you were in the room? No consideration for others. ;) ;D ;D
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another storm in a teacup, Zulu - a 25 year old history and law graduate working for the Foreign Office isn't a story surely? It's been leaked, I would guess, by elements from the right of the tory party who hate the coalition, to an all too eager press, desperate for any salacious gossip.
Besides, if their was any impropriety and Hague was banging him and thats how the guy got the job, then why wouldn't Hague book seperate rooms? - he's never struck me as a particularly stupid person :y
That's a fair enough one BJ 8-) :y I wouldn't consider Mr Hague to be in the least stupid but I think an important element in this issue is the Foreign Secretary's lack of awareness in how such circumstances could indeed be skewed by malicious individuals in the very way they have been.
It seems to lack the essential horse-sense required for survival I mentioned earlier in those who would occupy such lofty office.
good argument Zulu, but Nickbat made the same point so I can't agree with you ;D ;D :y ;)
;D ;D ;D Peerless ;D ;D 8-) :y
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He did it to save money - as he was paying it out of his own pocket. Some people would say he was being a typical Yprkshire man being careful with his money.
Hague as far as I am concerned is not the issue here.
Along with Portillo I find him very listenable and knowleagable.
As to Portillo - Great British Railway Journeys was an excellent programme.
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when i used to work away all the time i shareda room with strangers on the job sometimes as its cheaper, and share with a mate when going away for weekends,so what. cant see what all the fuss is about. quite pathetic that its made headlines that he shared a room to be honest. yes its in the news that hes given the job to someone with no experience but thats it.
While you were in the room? No consideration for others. ;) ;D ;D
it was a great show ;D ;D
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He did it to save money - as he was paying it out of his own pocket. Some people would say he was being a typical Yprkshire man being careful with his money.
Hague as far as I am concerned is not the issue here.
Along with Portillo I find him very listenable and knowleagable.
As to Portillo - Great British Railway Journeys was an excellent programme.
i'm a portillo fan, find him very entertaining myself when hes on tv :y
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He did it to save money - as he was paying it out of his own pocket. Some people would say he was being a typical Yprkshire man being careful with his money.
Hague as far as I am concerned is not the issue here.
Along with Portillo I find him very listenable and knowleagable.
As to Portillo - Great British Railway Journeys was an excellent programme.
i'm a portillo fan, find him very entertaining myself when hes on tv :y
And he saved the Settle & Carlisle line :y
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He did it to save money - as he was paying it out of his own pocket. Some people would say he was being a typical Yprkshire man being careful with his money.
Hague as far as I am concerned is not the issue here.
Along with Portillo I find him very listenable and knowleagable.
As to Portillo - Great British Railway Journeys was an excellent programme.
Portillo is a far more engaging and mellow man these days ......a far cry from his sabre rattling S.A.S...Tory conference speech of old..... which lifted the geriatric blue rinse Tory faithful to their arthritic feet. :y :y
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They say that if you live long enough you will see it all.
Today I have witnessed Banjax and Optimist arguing against Nickbat and Zulu in defense of a true blue Thatcher worshipping Tory cabinet minister - hilarious. ::) ;D ;D ;D
I would like to see the evidence that the internt rumours were started by the Tory right. The impression I have is that it came from the (Labour) left. The only policy/tactic Labour currently has is to try to split/ damage the coalition. ;)
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The biggest potential problem would be if he was gay and desperately wanted to keep it secret, he (as Foreign Secretary) would potentially leave himself open to blackmail etc. - it wouldnt be the first time. ::)
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They say that if you live long enough you will see it all.
Today I have witnessed Banjax and Optimist arguing against Nickbat and Zulu in defense of a true blue Thatcher worshipping Tory cabinet minister - hilarious. ::) ;D ;D ;D
I would like to see the evidence that the internt rumours were started by the Tory right. The impression I have is that it came from the (Labour) left. The only policy/tactic Labour currently has is to try to split/ damage the coalition. ;)
If only that were true, Albs. His stance towards the EU does not appear to be Thatcherite, or even vaguely Conservative. He has thus far been a disappointment in his role, IMHO. :(
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I completely agree Nick, but it would be unusual for our friends on the left to let that small fact (or any fact) to allow them to have a reasoned, objective opinion on the matter - thus my surprise. ::) :D ;D
I have been quite disinterested in all things political recently, but the spectacle of that hateful liar reappearing on the scene in the last few days has got the blood boiling again.
I think he should be given a day in a cell for every lie in his book - throw away the key. :y