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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Broomies Mate on 04 September 2010, 13:59:44
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308798/Joyriding-police-officers-crash-suspects-high-powered-sports-car.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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They should be suspended from DUTY until a full independant investigation has reached it's conclusion. This in their best interests as well as of the Police Service & the General Public. At the least they are guilty of TWOCing the vehicle & Criminal Damage! >:(
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One rule for us and one for them no doubt >:(
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Appears to be rank stupidity at the very least.
I'm not sure how current regulations stand regarding officers driving vehicles in these circumstances but when I was in uniform authorised drivers could remove to a secure location (generally the local factory) any vehicle the occupants of which were deemed to have been involved in crime, or a vehicle placed in a dangerous position or at risk of theft or other damage.
These clowns will face (over and above the likelihood of criminal charges) a disciplinary hearing that could result in the sanction of career possibilities, financial penalty, dismissal and deferral of pension until age 60.
So as Proz rightly says, there is in fact one law for the public and one for the police, only in these cases, officers face double jeopardy as both criminal charges and disciplinary charges are brought (following due investigation) in the aftermath of such incidents.
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Appears to be rank stupidity at the very least.
I'm not sure how current regulations stand regarding officers driving vehicles in these circumstances but when I was in uniform authorised drivers could remove to a secure location (generally the local factory) any vehicle the occupants of which were deemed to have been involved in crime, or a vehicle placed in a dangerous position or at risk of theft or other damage.
These clowns will face (over and above the likelihood of criminal charges) a disciplinary hearing that could result in the sanction of career possibilities, financial penalty, dismissal and deferral of pension until age 60.
So as Proz rightly says, there is in fact one law for the public and one for the police, only in these cases, officers face double jeopardy as both criminal charges and disciplinary charges are brought in the aftermath of such incidents.
As they should... it is their duty as officers of the law to behave in an appropriate manner. They should know better.
Still, nobody died.
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the car should have never been driven by the officers in this specific incident, they were supposed to wait for a recovery truck
i heard all about this yesterday, the 23 year old owner was arrested over a drug-related incident
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Appears to be rank stupidity at the very least.
I'm not sure how current regulations stand regarding officers driving vehicles in these circumstances but when I was in uniform authorised drivers could remove to a secure location (generally the local factory) any vehicle the occupants of which were deemed to have been involved in crime, or a vehicle placed in a dangerous position or at risk of theft or other damage.
These clowns will face (over and above the likelihood of criminal charges) a disciplinary hearing that could result in the sanction of career possibilities, financial penalty, dismissal and deferral of pension until age 60.
So as Proz rightly says, there is in fact one law for the public and one for the police, only in these cases, officers face double jeopardy as both criminal charges and disciplinary charges are brought in the aftermath of such incidents.
As they should... it is their duty as officers of the law to behave in an appropriate manner. They should know better.
Still, nobody died.
I quite agree R, there's no place for such stupidity the consequences of which, could have been dire.
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custordy sergeant.
"we have some bad news, and some bad news.you wont be driving for 12 months... and just to make sure your not tempted...."
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Publicly their superior has to state that there will be an in depth investigation, and the Officers will be dealt with.
But I think in few weeks, when all the dust has settled, I'm sure we'll learn that their back on duty with just a stern telling off, with no charges brought against them, and it was all just a miss-understanding (again !). >:(
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Publicly their superior has to state that there will be an in depth investigation, and the Officers will be dealt with.
But I think in few weeks, when all the dust has settled, I'm sure we'll learn that their back on duty with just a stern telling off, with no charges brought against them, and it was all just a miss-understanding (again !). >:(
What basis have you for making that assertion Matt?
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custordy sergeant.
"we have some bad news, and some bad news.you wont be driving for 12 months... and just to make sure your not tempted...."
HAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D I bet the owner just giggled to himself (after crying many a tear) cos hes surely gonna get paid out from the osifers insurance........so at least he hasnt gotta worry bout sellin it..... :y
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Publicly their superior has to state that there will be an in depth investigation, and the Officers will be dealt with.
But I think in few weeks, when all the dust has settled, I'm sure we'll learn that their back on duty with just a stern telling off, with no charges brought against them, and it was all just a miss-understanding (again !). >:(
What basis have you for making that assertion Matt?
I think the outcome will not be that detrimental to the Officers, due to the fact that no-one was injured or killed, and because it was damage to someone's property that can be repaired, that compensation will be offered to the owners of the property by the Force, and if the owners agree that someone else will be paying for the repairs, that the Force will in return ask for an agreement not to proceed with action against the Officers involved.
Sorry if I sound cynical, but I've heard too many reports like this in the News, yet very few Officers seam to be thrown out of the Force for stupid acts that could of got someone injured, yet if caused by members of the public would have ended up serving jail time, or suspended jail term :-/ .
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justice aside, the only ones in the ranks who seem to get thrown out (publicly) are those that are a thorn in the side and as such are maneuvered out.much like any other business. investment/usefulness of the induvidual taken into consideration.
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Publicly their superior has to state that there will be an in depth investigation, and the Officers will be dealt with.
But I think in few weeks, when all the dust has settled, I'm sure we'll learn that their back on duty with just a stern telling off, with no charges brought against them, and it was all just a miss-understanding (again !). >:(
What basis have you for making that assertion Matt?
I think the outcome will not be that detrimental to the Officers, due to the fact that no-one was injured or killed, and because it was damage to someone's property that can be repaired, that compensation will be offered to the owners of the property by the Force, and if the owners agree that someone else will be paying for the repairs, that the Force will in return ask for an agreement not to proceed with action against the Officers involved.
Sorry if I sound cynical, but I've heard too many reports like this in the News, yet very few Officers seam to be thrown out of the Force for stupid acts that could of got someone injured, yet if caused by members of the public would have ended up serving jail time, or suspended jail term :-/ .
Thanks for fleshing that out Matt :y :y
At one time that indeed was the preferred way of dealing with such matters. Not so much now.
The emasculation of the 'force' as a whole by a self-serving middle/upper management structure more interested in holding onto their own post and advancing further up the scale towards greater reward and an enhanced pension package, has ensured that the first order of business now is to cover one's arse.
The politicisation of the senior echelons of the service by government (the last one in particular) has ensured that many managers have become reluctant to isolate themselves by making decisions which fall outside the safety of the committee decision making process.
The net result of this is that few in the management line now stand by those they command.
Modern policing is more about budget control, accumulation of data, development of trendy ideas, greater cooperation with foreign enforcement agencies, enforcement by proxy through a civilianised structure and electronic aids and the solidification of one's position in the overall management structure and less about providing a professional well motivated force of officers whose job it is to apprehend wrongdoers on the streets of this country.
For these reasons, and the fact that I have now given 39 years service to this nation in one capacity or another, I can say that there are more officers dismissed, required to resign, demoted, transferred, fined and blocked from further advancement within the force structure than you would imagine.
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i hope they were both breathe tested and blood samples taken for drugs. i knew of a copper that likes a good spliff and a few lines now and then. fortunatly hes dead now though :y
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johnny vegas. "ideal"
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Ha!now thats a funny ass program!when vegas saw the headless bloke in the bodybag! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Technically they haven't twoc'd it. Taking without owners consent. This offence was introduced to stop joyriders. To prove theft you have to prove that they (1) Dishonestly (2) appropriated (3) property (4) belonging to another (5) with the intention of permanently depriving the other person of it.
Joy riders would leave the car to be found (as long as they didn't torch it!), hence theft could not be proved as they didn't intend to permanently deprive the other person of it.
The police who totalled this car had it in their legal charge, they might not own it but at the time it was under their lawful control.
Not defending them though. But as we all know possesion is 9/10s of the law! (And all down to technicalities!)
Anyway, i think Britain is turning into some sort of totalitarian state.
I ask, what country tries to change peoples attitudes, behaviour, opinions, thoughts, beliefs, sensibilities and morals, and also stifles freedom of speech, thought and expression, through laws, and under pain of losing your job, and being castigated and ostracised? Britain, (we can't call ourselves English anymore, we're not allowed).
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Anyway, i think Britain is turning into some sort of totalitarian state.
I ask, what country tries to change peoples attitudes, behaviour, opinions, thoughts, beliefs, sensibilities and morals, and also stifles freedom of speech, thought and expression, through laws, and under pain of losing your job, and being castigated and ostracised? Britain, (we can't call ourselves English anymore, we're not allowed).
We have started the first stage of reversing it - getting Nulab out
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Anyway, i think Britain is turning into some sort of totalitarian state.
I ask, what country tries to change peoples attitudes, behaviour, opinions, thoughts, beliefs, sensibilities and morals, and also stifles freedom of speech, thought and expression, through laws, and under pain of losing your job, and being castigated and ostracised? Britain, (we can't call ourselves English anymore, we're not allowed).
We have started the first stage of reversing it - getting Nulab out
I think these comments are a little extreme!!!I not only consider myself English but I call myself English!and I'm extremely proud of this country!there are several things I would change but all I can say is at least were not American ;D
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Publicly their superior has to state that there will be an in depth investigation, and the Officers will be dealt with.
But I think in few weeks, when all the dust has settled, I'm sure we'll learn that their back on duty with just a stern telling off, with no charges brought against them, and it was all just a miss-understanding (again !). >:(
What basis have you for making that assertion Matt?
I think the outcome will not be that detrimental to the Officers, due to the fact that no-one was injured or killed, and because it was damage to someone's property that can be repaired, that compensation will be offered to the owners of the property by the Force, and if the owners agree that someone else will be paying for the repairs, that the Force will in return ask for an agreement not to proceed with action against the Officers involved.
Sorry if I sound cynical, but I've heard too many reports like this in the News, yet very few Officers seam to be thrown out of the Force for stupid acts that could of got someone injured, yet if caused by members of the public would have ended up serving jail time, or suspended jail term :-/ .
Thanks for fleshing that out Matt :y :y
At one time that indeed was the preferred way of dealing with such matters. Not so much now.
The emasculation of the 'force' as a whole by a self-serving middle/upper management structure more interested in holding onto their own post and advancing further up the scale towards greater reward and an enhanced pension package, has ensured that the first order of business now is to cover one's arse.
The politicisation of the senior echelons of the service by government (the last one in particular) has ensured that many managers have become reluctant to isolate themselves by making decisions which fall outside the safety of the committee decision making process.
The net result of this is that few in the management line now stand by those they command.
Modern policing is more about budget control, accumulation of data, development of trendy ideas, greater cooperation with foreign enforcement agencies, enforcement by proxy through a civilianised structure and electronic aids and the solidification of one's position in the overall management structure and less about providing a professional well motivated force of officers whose job it is to apprehend wrongdoers on the streets of this country.
For these reasons, and the fact that I have now given 39 years service to this nation in one capacity or another, I can say that there are more officers dismissed, required to resign, demoted, transferred, fined and blocked from further advancement within the force structure than you would imagine.
Zulu,
I agree with you regarding the 1st batch of highlighted points, yes money has come into play for more than it should. It would appear that far too much consideration is about if we can afford to prosecute, then we will, but if not, then we'll have to let it go with just a telling off ??!! :-? .
Also the 'trendy ideas' in order to put the police in a positive light should be thrown out the door as far as I'm concerned. Surely if you start actually jailing the people you need to, that would automatically start to give law-abiding citizens confidence that the police are actually doing something about the situation. Surely it's not rocket science.... or is it ::) .
As for the 2nd batch of highlighted points.
Then if this is the case, perhaps there should be more publicity about these events, then they're wouldn't be the situation there is now, and the public thinking nothings been done about the 'bad apples' with forces around the country.
I understand where you're coming from, as I know a couple of chaps that used to be in the Force, having done 30yrs, and couldn't wait till retirement.
From the horses mouth, in their opinion, they were fed up with all the unnecessary paperwork, and the CPS commonly being called the Criminal Protection Society, and there lack of interest in following through with action against those that really deserve it. Etc, etc, etc ! :-/ .
Comes to something, when you see the likes of Police, Camera, Action, and alike TV programs showing reckless drivers (often twoc), crashing into members of the public, and sometimes driving down streets almost knocking over pedestrians, etc. And when then get caught, it's something like a 3mths suspended, and possibly a £150 fine. Often they're already be banned or on bail anyhow, or don't have a licence anyhow ? :-?.
But my god, you have no TV licence, you'll be jailed for 6mths, and fined something like £3000 I think isn't it ?? :-? :-?.
To be honest, I don't know how you managed to make it to retirement, without tearing your hair out at times ?? ::) . ;) :y