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Title: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 September 2010, 08:30:30
I know most members are pretty savvy when it come to scammers but as membership is gtowing rapidly I thought it worth a mention.

usual layout but got past the spam filter.  Headed "we've made some important changes to our User Agreement"  then goes on to here's what you need to do.  Well I dint even bother looking and neither should any one else as it is a con to gain your info from someone that has reconstructed a similar paypal email address.


Golden rule with Paypal and they advise this when you sign up, they never send emails and advise that any information regards thier service will generally be given as you log in.  This is also the same for lots of banks and building societies.


Sorry if this was boring to some of you (STMO and Optimist spring to mind as the most likely to comment  ::) ) but members are joining that are both the younger and older generation these days and lots are new to the internet. Plus scammers are getting smarter.  :-/
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Gaffers on 08 September 2010, 08:44:33
Anything to get the post count back up  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: x1xv45 on 08 September 2010, 08:53:56
Thanks for pointing that out - it looks a very good fake, luckily I had ignored it like most email. You can get real paypal emails, receipts and such, but they should never have any attachments like this fake has - junk it, or if you want to be good, report it to paypal through your proper link.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: shyboy on 08 September 2010, 08:56:31
Don't apologise, Skruntie!
I've just ignored the same scam attempt, but must confess to almost opening it, only because I did a Paypal transaction yesterday and my initial reaction was that it could be related to that. It's very easy to drop your guard from time to time, and your message is totally appropriate.
Bill.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 September 2010, 09:05:19
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Anything to get the post count back up  ;D ;D

Cheeky sod.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 September 2010, 09:08:45
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Thanks for pointing that out - it looks a very good fake, luckily I had ignored it like most email. You can get real paypal emails, receipts and such, but they should never have any attachments like this fake has - junk it, or if you want to be good, report it to paypal through your proper link.

Judging by the fact 2 of you have had the same email there will be 1000's more and the paypal inbox will have a few warnings in it.

Must admit it's been quite a while sine I saw a paypal scam, or maybe I dont notice them any more as they useually get filtered as spam.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Nickbat on 08 September 2010, 09:18:24
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I know most members are pretty savvy when it come to scammers but as membership is gtowing rapidly I thought it worth a mention.

usual layout but got past the spam filter.  Headed "we've made some important changes to our User Agreement"  then goes on to here's what you need to do.  Well I dint even bother looking and neither should any one else as it is a con to gain your info from someone that has reconstructed a similar paypal email address.


Golden rule with Paypal and they advise this when you sign up, they never send emails and advise that any information regards thier service will generally be given as you log in.  This is also the same for lots of banks and building societies.


Sorry if this was boring to some of you (STMO and Optimist spring to mind as the most likely to comment  ::) ) but members are joining that are both the younger and older generation these days and lots are new to the internet. Plus scammers are getting smarter.  :-/


I've just received an email from PayPal with exactly the same header, no attachments and I'm sure it's genuine. For a start, it is addressed to me personally, secondly they have links at the bottom of the email to various departments, such as Help, Safety Advice and so on, which, when clicked, take you to the genuine site.

Also, since I keep nearly all my emails, a quick comparison with 18 previous PayPal emails (yes, they do send emails!) shows it to have a consistent header, i.e. it starts with your name followed by a comma then the subject text.

Don't think mine is a scam. If it had started "Dear PayPal user" I would have binned it straightaway. :y
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Nickbat on 08 September 2010, 09:26:47
Further to my previous post, I logged into my PayPal account (not via the email) and can confirm that the User Agreement is being updated , effective 1 November 2010.

 :y 
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: mantahatch on 08 September 2010, 09:31:36
For safety I have just changed my paypal password. It just so happens I received the said email as I was paying someone for an auction item so I thought I better be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Plomien on 08 September 2010, 09:50:31
Email I had this morning from Paypal is genuine, I checked the header trace and there is an update to T&Cs
Also its addressed to me rather than Dear Customer.
also the links given don't ask you to logon which tends to happen with scams

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      Click here to read the Policy Update or type www.paypal.co.uk into a new browser window, go to ‘Legal Agreements’ at the bottom of the page and then click ‘Policy Update’.

but its always good to be careful and wary :y

unlike the 70 year old guy I spoke to the other day who was notified he was due for a payout from some CEO of a bank in Africa and he had all the papers they had emailed but for some reason needed to pay $4000 for an ATM card as they couldn't send it electronically :o
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 September 2010, 10:34:41
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Email I had this morning from Paypal is genuine, I checked the header trace and there is an update to T&Cs
Also its addressed to me rather than Dear Customer.
also the links given don't ask you to logon which tends to happen with scams

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      Click here to read the Policy Update or type www.paypal.co.uk into a new browser window, go to ‘Legal Agreements’ at the bottom of the page and then click ‘Policy Update’.

but its always good to be careful and wary :y

unlike the 70 year old guy I spoke to the other day who was notified he was due for a payout from some CEO of a bank in Africa and he had all the papers they had emailed but for some reason needed to pay $4000 for an ATM card as they couldn't send it electronically :o

A lot of things come through to with my name on, sadly none have anything to with me.


Anyways, I did head this as "Possibele Paypal Scam"

sender is paypal@info.paypal.co.uk
reply to is reply2@info.paypal.com

Rather than

sender is paypal.info@paypal.co.uk
reply to is reply2.info@paypal.com

Would rather be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Chris_H on 08 September 2010, 11:02:00
Interesting.  I've just found it in my Trash bin and they have gone to some lengths to protect their logos from being linked from illegitimate pages.  Many from https://securepics.ebaystatic.com.

They also include a guide about recognising scams and phishing attempts: viz
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How do I know this is not a Spoof email? Spoof or ‘phishingâ€

emails tend to have generic greetings such as "Dear PayPal
member". Emails from PayPal will always address you by your
first and last name. Find out more here: here (https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/LearnMoreAboutFraud.htm) (link updated by me).
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: maria on 08 September 2010, 11:16:42
Maria Sweeney, your credit card is about to expire and this is from paypal so will this be from them?
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Sixstring on 08 September 2010, 11:21:04
Very probable................

Log into your Paypal account or ring Paypal customer services to check.

Mike.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: DaveL on 08 September 2010, 12:03:53
I have had a few Paypal messages over the last 2 weeks. Started with my correct name, said that my card registered with them is about to expire. Which was correct.  Gave the correct security code on the back of said card. I have not registered another card with them, as yet.

Is this really a scam??

DaveL ::)
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mysteryman on 08 September 2010, 12:21:54
Dear Mr Handsome, we've made some important changes to our User AgreementTuesday, 7 September, 2010 13:30From: This sender is DomainKeys verified."PayPal" <paypal@info.paypal.co.uk>Add sender to ContactsTo:

Looks ok to me. It's DomainKeys verified. Scaremonger. :P


Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Nickbat on 08 September 2010, 12:43:42
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Dear Mr Handsome, we've made some important changes to our User AgreementTuesday, 7 September, 2010 13:30From: This sender is DomainKeys verified."PayPal" <paypal@info.paypal.co.uk>Add sender to ContactsTo:

Looks ok to me. It's DomainKeys verified. Scaremonger. :P



How come you get someone else's emails?  :P
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Mysteryman on 08 September 2010, 13:51:02
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Dear Mr Handsome, we've made some important changes to our User AgreementTuesday, 7 September, 2010 13:30From: This sender is DomainKeys verified."PayPal" <paypal@info.paypal.co.uk>Add sender to ContactsTo:

Looks ok to me. It's DomainKeys verified. Scaremonger. :P



How come you get someone else's emails?  :P


Well spotted Nick ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Danny on 08 September 2010, 13:56:38
i also had this email, and it actually says you can log on by going to paypal your usual way if you so wish, which would be completelt safe, as opposed to only clicking the links within the email

had no suspicions with this, and i am one very security minded person
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2010, 19:13:10
Paypal do most definately send out info emails.

Always titled to firstname surname.


But as every, never, ever click on a link in an email, genuine or otherwise...
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Vamps on 08 September 2010, 21:04:20
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I have had a few Paypal messages over the last 2 weeks. Started with my correct name, said that my card registered with them is about to expire. Which was correct.  Gave the correct security code on the back of said card. I have not registered another card with them, as yet.

Is this really a scam??

DaveL ::)

I had this recently and it was fine, I was suspicious but went into my paypal account to check things out. My card registered with them had expired, not the card itself as I renewed it as I only have one Debit card.. :y
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Chris_H on 09 September 2010, 10:06:37
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Paypal do most definately send out info emails.

Always titled to firstname surname.


But as every, never, ever click on a link in an email, genuine or otherwise...
Rather draconian I would have thought.  I often email links to people rather than copy entire monologues and pictures.

I have the facility to view my emails as bare text so can easily see where a link is actually going to take me, but a useful trick for others can be to copy/paste the link into notepad.exe (or similar basic text editor) and it will reveal the true destination.
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Entwood on 09 September 2010, 10:33:00
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Paypal do most definately send out info emails.

Always titled to firstname surname.


But as every, never, ever click on a link in an email, genuine or otherwise...
Rather draconian I would have thought.  I often email links to people rather than copy entire monologues and pictures.

I have the facility to view my emails as bare text so can easily see where a link is actually going to take me, but a useful trick for others can be to copy/paste the link into notepad.exe (or similar basic text editor) and it will reveal the true destination.


In outlook if you "hover" over a link the TRUE address appears in a little box ..  very easy to see the scammers .. as www.paypal becomes something totally different !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: shyboy on 09 September 2010, 10:54:33
 All these tips are great for savvy folk, but many of us would not be familiar with all the little differences and could get caught out.
I always assume that the scammers are one or two steps ahead of all counter measures, and so err on the side of caution every time.
If I was a scammer, I'd increase my activity dramatically as soon as I found out that someone like Paypal was e-mailing its thousands of customers, and I bet someone would get trapped, sometime. Isn't that why they keep doing it?
Title: Re: Possible Paypal Scam
Post by: Elite Pete on 09 September 2010, 11:09:51
I would never ever click on an emailed link and log in. I always go to the website and log in as normal.