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Title: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: davethediver on 21 September 2010, 22:38:59
As some of you may know i recentley bought the wife a Ford Street KA little convertible thing. I'd like to say its sh!t but in truth its actually fun to throw about with its little 1.6 engine.

But the RFL on it is 130 for SIX months its a bloody shoebox go cart size car. I was expecting more like 50 quid for twelve months >:(
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Andy B on 21 September 2010, 22:43:05
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As some of you may know i recentley bought the wife a Ford Street KA little convertible thing. I'd like to say its sh!t but in truth its actually fun to throw about with its little 1.6 engine.

But the RFL on it is 130 for SIX months its a bloody shoebox go cart size car. I was expecting more like 50 quid for twelve months >:(

A Smart is £90 for the whole year  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Broomies Mate on 21 September 2010, 22:44:05
It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 September 2010, 22:45:36
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: davethediver on 21 September 2010, 22:45:36
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As some of you may know i recentley bought the wife a Ford Street KA little convertible thing. I'd like to say its sh!t but in truth its actually fun to throw about with its little 1.6 engine.

But the RFL on it is 130 for SIX months its a bloody shoebox go cart size car. I was expecting more like 50 quid for twelve months >:(

A Smart is £90 for the whole year  ::) ::) ::)

Thanks for that andy that was the other contender the little roadster like your good lady has, to be honest didn't even think about the tax implication just thought small car small bill didn't expect it to be the same as the omega :'( :'(
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: jonnycool on 21 September 2010, 22:47:02
Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Broomies Mate on 21 September 2010, 22:48:30
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: humbucker on 21 September 2010, 22:50:00
my dads harley is 50 notes a year which we thought was amazing until my uncle rolled up on his bike... 13 quid a year...  :o
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: davethediver on 21 September 2010, 22:50:10
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Andy B on 21 September 2010, 22:51:54
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As some of you may know i recentley bought the wife a Ford Street KA little convertible thing. I'd like to say its sh!t but in truth its actually fun to throw about with its little 1.6 engine.

But the RFL on it is 130 for SIX months its a bloody shoebox go cart size car. I was expecting more like 50 quid for twelve months >:(

A Smart is £90 for the whole year  ::) ::) ::)

Thanks for that andy that was the other contender the little roadster like your good lady has, to be honest didn't even think about the tax implication just thought small car small bill didn't expect it to be the same as the omega :'( :'(

We didn't consider the road tax either, it was just an unexpected bonus.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Amigo on 21 September 2010, 22:53:48
1965 Ford consul classic 315..nought...booger all...not a sausage & fully comp ins £100....SORTED!!!!! 8-)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Andy B on 21 September 2010, 22:53:54
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)

I thought it was a variation on the old Kent engine from the Mk I Escort  :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: davethediver on 21 September 2010, 22:58:57
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)

I thought it was a variation on the old Kent engine from the Mk I Escort  :-/ :-/

Mines definately a duratec although i think some of them are endura :question Is it commonly called a rocam or something like that  :-? the KA forum isn't anywhere as helpful or dare i say intelligent as the people on OOF :y
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 September 2010, 23:05:27
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)

I believe I'm correct. Problem is, Ford put whatever name on an engine they like, regardless of its' roots.  ;D

The Ka was originally supposed to be getting a fairly radical engine which was killed off by EU emissions legislation. Ford then found at a late stage in development that the only engine that wasn't too tall for it was the old Endura E of late 50's Anglia vintage which rattled on for a while before being replaced by the Duratec badged 8v SOHC engine, previously developed in Brazil as the Zetec ROCAM by fitting an ali OHC head to a development of the Endura E block. It bears no resemblance to any of the 4 valve per cylinder engines previously branded Zetec and Duratec.

I believe neither the full fat Zetec E nor the smaller Zetec S / Sigma engines will fit nor were ever fitted to a Ka, which is a shame as the Sigma is a nice, revvy, yet reasonably refined, economical and reliable engine IME.

Kevin
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: davethediver on 21 September 2010, 23:18:00
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)

I believe I'm correct. Problem is, Ford put whatever name on an engine they like, regardless of its' roots.  ;D

The Ka was originally supposed to be getting a fairly radical engine which was killed off by EU emissions legislation. Ford then found at a late stage in development that the only engine that wasn't too tall for it was the old Endura E of late 50's Anglia vintage which rattled on for a while before being replaced by the Duratec badged 8v SOHC engine, previously developed in Brazil as the Zetec ROCAM by fitting an ali OHC head to a development of the Endura E block. It bears no resemblance to any of the 4 valve per cylinder engines previously branded Zetec and Duratec.

I believe neither the full fat Zetec E nor the smaller Zetec S / Sigma engines will fit nor were ever fitted to a Ka, which is a shame as the Sigma is a nice, revvy, yet reasonably refined, economical and reliable engine IME.

Kevin
Economical is not a word i would associate with this current model fun to drive and all that just hope its a reliable little runner ;)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2010, 08:00:39
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It's a dirty Zit-Tec.  Should be more than that TBH  ;D

No It's not. Nothing that advanced fits under the bonnet of a Ka. ;D

Kevin

You have educated me again Mister Wood.  I thought the Street Ka's had the Zetec.  I stand erected  :y

I think the newer ones do mine is on the old old Duratec  :-[ but at least i don't have a timing belt to worry about :)

Dont kid yourself, seen a fair few of the chains fail now and more worryingly, some where the tapered seats on the sprockets have spun.

Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2010, 09:38:43
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Dont kid yourself, seen a fair few of the chains fail now and more worryingly, some where the tapered seats on the sprockets have spun.


Never been a fan of those. Vernier pulley on the cheap.

Kevin
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: jereboam on 22 September 2010, 09:53:17
While the local "approved repairer" was taking 9 days to decide that my Omega was not an economic repair, the gave me an 09 reg Fiesta Zetec with 6000 miles on the clock as a courtesy car.  I don't know what engine it had (probably a 1.2, as that's what was specified in the insurance policy) because they didn't supply the instruction leaflet.   

What a pile of poo.  I bought old-fashioned Fiestas for my kids when they passed the driving test, and they were great little cars, and reasonably economical.  The new one used phenonomenal amounts of petrol, had a clutch that almost bit my foot off, revved far too high without producing any power and failed totally to make noticeable forward progress in 4th or 5th gear.  Vicious brakes, too. 

Good radio, though. :)

I was expecting a Ka, which is what I used to get when my Mondeo was in for a service - they were great fun, although I would want to go on long journey in one. 

Sorry - don't think this reply adds anything to the discussion, really. :(
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2010, 10:17:13
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 10:28:06
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Despite my constant ramblings about the 1.9tdi, it's not a bad engine (cambelt is a shit on a4), blooming economical, and I look after one that has 270k on clock, and still pulls like it has most of the 130bhp if left the factory with.

We do have some decent maps for it as well which will take it to approximate 170, but unlikely the drivetrain would hold out for long. And as this example is mrs tbs dad, he doesn't use the 130 it's got!

Not had too many dealings with 2.0tdi, although my neighbour is getting a skoda one soon.

But what have vauxhall got? 1.9cdti? Mightily unimpressive in my mates insignia in 150 guise - constantly thrashing the box to make it go
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Brick Tamland on 22 September 2010, 12:13:09
You think its bad there?  ::)

Does anyone want to pay the tax on my 2 litre and i'll pay the tax on your 3 litre no problem  ::)

€614 per year is really taking the p1ss.

The mad part is for anything 2.0 and above the fine for the first month for no tax is cheaper then actually paying it!!!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Webby the Bear on 22 September 2010, 18:00:36
ive bin looking into buying a mustang (4.6 v8 :):):))

cos its an import the tax is £205 a year ...... same as the omega so god knows why the ka wud cost that :-/
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2010, 18:02:10
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Despite my constant ramblings about the 1.9tdi, it's not a bad engine (cambelt is a shit on a4), blooming economical, and I look after one that has 270k on clock, and still pulls like it has most of the 130bhp if left the factory with.

We do have some decent maps for it as well which will take it to approximate 170, but unlikely the drivetrain would hold out for long. And as this example is mrs tbs dad, he doesn't use the 130 it's got!

Not had too many dealings with 2.0tdi, although my neighbour is getting a skoda one soon.

But what have vauxhall got? 1.9cdti? Mightily unimpressive in my mates insignia in 150 guise - constantly thrashing the box to make it go


Totaly off topic left wing reply Mr TB ;D

Clearly has a fault with it then, nothing an hour of fiddling would not sort.

It has no relevance on the fact that the low pwoer TD in the A4 which saves you 70-80 quid a year in RFL is a waste of time with the saving not being worthwhile.
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 18:07:15
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Despite my constant ramblings about the 1.9tdi, it's not a bad engine (cambelt is a shit on a4), blooming economical, and I look after one that has 270k on clock, and still pulls like it has most of the 130bhp if left the factory with.

We do have some decent maps for it as well which will take it to approximate 170, but unlikely the drivetrain would hold out for long. And as this example is mrs tbs dad, he doesn't use the 130 it's got!

Not had too many dealings with 2.0tdi, although my neighbour is getting a skoda one soon.

But what have vauxhall got? 1.9cdti? Mightily unimpressive in my mates insignia in 150 guise - constantly thrashing the box to make it go


Totaly off topic left wing reply Mr TB ;D

Clearly has a fault with it then, nothing an hour of fiddling would not sort.

It has no relevance on the fact that the low pwoer TD in the A4 which saves you 70-80 quid a year in RFL is a waste of time with the saving not being worthwhile.
Isn't the 2.0dti just a common rail enhancement of 1.9tdi?  I'm no vag expert, and her dads one aside, have no interest in vags?

wrt the insignia, all the power is btween about 2.5 and 3.5k - obviously, tech2 cant talk to it.
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2010, 18:09:00
Very odd, its max torque at just under 2000rpm so I would guess the EGR is sticking and maybe the MAP sensor wants a clean.

Bet it smokes well

Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 18:17:55
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Very odd, its max torque at just under 2000rpm so I would guess the EGR is sticking and maybe the MAP sensor wants a clean.

Bet it smokes well

Been like it from new, so potentially faulty component.  Another quality PDI ;D
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 18:18:41
Can't say I noticed smoke  :-/
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2010, 18:19:39
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Very odd, its max torque at just under 2000rpm so I would guess the EGR is sticking and maybe the MAP sensor wants a clean.

Bet it smokes well

Been like it from new, so potentially faulty component.  Another quality PDI ;D

They dont do them, havn't for years  :(
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 18:22:26
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Very odd, its max torque at just under 2000rpm so I would guess the EGR is sticking and maybe the MAP sensor wants a clean.

Bet it smokes well

Been like it from new, so potentially faulty component.  Another quality PDI ;D

They dont do them, havn't for years  :(
I know Rover moved PDI from the theiving useless dealers to the end of the line in effect in the mid 90s. Guessing Vauxhalls and others did likewise, then penny pinchers probably stopped that?
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: tidla on 22 September 2010, 18:24:21
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Despite my constant ramblings about the 1.9tdi, it's not a bad engine (cambelt is a shit on a4), blooming economical, and I look after one that has 270k on clock, and still pulls like it has most of the 130bhp if left the factory with.

We do have some decent maps for it as well which will take it to approximate 170, but unlikely the drivetrain would hold out for long. And as this example is mrs tbs dad, he doesn't use the 130 it's got!

Not had too many dealings with 2.0tdi, although my neighbour is getting a skoda one soon.

But what have vauxhall got? 1.9cdti? Mightily unimpressive in my mates insignia in 150 guise - constantly thrashing the box to make it go

all the room you want for working on one.(once you took the front of the car off) :)
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2010, 18:29:14
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Drove the boss's Audi A4 the other day the annual tax on that is NOTHING  :o

Only for the first year and then its 90 quid.

But to be quite frank, it means hes got the awful low powered diesel unit and its worth paying the extra to get a driveable car!
Despite my constant ramblings about the 1.9tdi, it's not a bad engine (cambelt is a shit on a4), blooming economical, and I look after one that has 270k on clock, and still pulls like it has most of the 130bhp if left the factory with.

We do have some decent maps for it as well which will take it to approximate 170, but unlikely the drivetrain would hold out for long. And as this example is mrs tbs dad, he doesn't use the 130 it's got!

Not had too many dealings with 2.0tdi, although my neighbour is getting a skoda one soon.

But what have vauxhall got? 1.9cdti? Mightily unimpressive in my mates insignia in 150 guise - constantly thrashing the box to make it go

all the room you want for working on one.(once you took the front of the car off) :)
Yeah, its the taking the front of the car off to change a longetudinal engine that gets my goat up...
Title: Re: Car Tax taking the P##s
Post by: tidla on 22 September 2010, 18:34:44
the up side is decent spec audi can dish all the power out to all fours.