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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Amigo on 20 September 2010, 22:11:24
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Every once in a while i have to visit the Corus site in SLady bitshorpe drop an empty trailer, pick up a loaded one & drop it on Immingham dock for export. It's a huge site covering 12 square miles & 100 miles of thier own roads/railways. I've been doing this on & off for nearly 10 years but today was pulled over by security & sent for a site induction. I had my photo taken & was sat at a pc with headphones. 8 films to watch each with 4 multi choice questions. After the first set i clicked next to go straight to the 2nd set of questions, skipping each video to save time. I'd finished in 7 or 8 minutes but passed so they had to issue me a 3 year badge. For example:- You see some asbestos on the floor. Do you,
A:- Report it to your supervisor.
B:- Walk round it.
C:-Hide it.
D:-Break it into small pieces????? For crying out loud!
The best bit is on the first & only vid i sat through it said no passengers or children on site. Many of the foreign trucks are double manning & when i finally got back to where i wanted to be i drove past a little blue corsa with a pretty Mum & 3 pre school toddlers in it!!! The phrase too many chiefs & not enough Indians springs to mind. Must be an insurance issue 'cos realistically this induction was a waste of time & actually achieved squat! ::)
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Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.
What a joke. ::)
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Got to give these Health and Safety busy bodies something to do....Makes them feel special!!!!!
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The "we know whats best for you" police strike again! ::)
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Every once in a while i have to visit the Corus site in SLady bitshorpe drop an empty trailer, pick up a loaded one & drop it on Immingham dock for export. It's a huge site covering 12 square miles & 100 miles of thier own roads/railways. I've been doing this on & off for nearly 10 years but today was pulled over by security & sent for a site induction. I had my photo taken & was sat at a pc with headphones. 8 films to watch each with 4 multi choice questions. After the first set i clicked next to go straight to the 2nd set of questions, skipping each video to save time. I'd finished in 7 or 8 minutes but passed so they had to issue me a 3 year badge. For example:- You see some asbestos on the floor. Do you,
A:- Report it to your supervisor.
B:- Walk round it.
C:-Hide it.
D:-Break it into small pieces????? For crying out loud!
The best bit is on the first & only vid i sat through it said no passengers or children on site. Many of the foreign trucks are double manning & when i finally got back to where i wanted to be i drove past a little blue corsa with a pretty Mum & 3 pre school toddlers in it!!! The phrase too many chiefs & not enough Indians springs to mind. Must be an insurance issue 'cos realistically this induction was a waste of time & actually achieved squat! ::)
m6 toll induction was 2 hours.
included details of a ditch within the site boundary which contained frogs.
the guy running it had a little black tosh im sure.
2 mins late and he would take great delight in telling you to go away :(
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
This country will disappear up its own backside before long
Without a shadow of a doubt Chris. :y
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
PMSL! I think it already has been, then shat back out, flushed down the bog and it's currently sitting in a big stinking sewage vat, waiting to be treated and get back to normal. The tide is turning!
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It's really quite incredible to be told how to do something you've been doing for years by someone who'se still sh*tting green, hardly started shaving but has been on a course & watched a video so is suddenly an expert. Nobody wants Industrial deaths or injuries but there really is no need to pay pillocks to do non jobs.
Must be an insurance thing. ::)
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
Exactly. How flippin' stupid is that? The irony is that those of us who do a proper job are paying the wages of those who tell us we can no longer do it!!! FFS!!!! ::) >:( >:( :'(
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I collect steel from a Corus site near Bristol.
Their H&S is something to behold.... really it is.
Wearing a Hard Hat is mandatory, even when sat in your cab. WHY????? That 8tonne RSJ being moved by a crane above the cab is more than capable of turning the cab into tin-foil, so what on earth is the skid-lid going to do? :-/
Wearing a Hi-Viz is mandatory, even when sat in your cab. WHY????? If wannabe Michael Shumacher in that Fork-Lift cant see my gleaming white vehicle, what chance has he got of seeing me sat in it?
Wearing Safety Boots is mandatory, even when sat in your cab..... I think you know where I'm coming from.
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About 30 years ago I did a 6 month contract at Hoogovens in the Netherlands. They gave me a hard hat, but no training in how to adjust it, and no safety training at all.
Perhaps H&S was in its infancy in those days, or perhaps the Dutch just didn't give a monkey's about it. More likely, I suspect, is that the Dutch had a more realistic approach to situations where common sense would guide a person of average intelligence.
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Whenever I have contractors on our site to assist with machine repairs etc. I have to run them through a 30 mins site induction.
Usually have to do 2 or 3 a week, due to our contract firms send different people most of the time.
But once they are inducted then they are OK for 2 years until a refresher has to be done. (UNLESS ANY PROCEDURES CHANGE WITH IN THE COMPANY)
Basic H&S rules on site
Fire procedures
Where Toilet and Food Facilities are
And the Basics like IF THEY SEE something that is a risk or being done incorrectly to report back to me.
Then they have to fill out a nice long form, including emergency contact details if they are injured.
Gets me out of work for 30 mins aswell ;-)
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small sites we just sign the induction sheet, large sites they tell you about waste, fire exits and extinquishers and sign here. i was threatened with removal from site for being on my mobile without a glove on. probably get a splinter or shear my hand off from using my phone. ;D ;D
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I have to get a hot work permit now to use the soldering iron in the lab :-?
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It's mildly amusing that Corus are owned by Tata, an Indian company.
If you want to see Indian H&S at work, here's a picture! See if you can spot the scaffold erectors on the left face. Sorry the picture's not clearer but you have to wait for the lens to de-mist after coming out of the aircon.
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac107/Chris_H3/IMGP1448.jpg)
If you can't see it, the scaffold is bamboo tied with hessian rope.
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Don't get me started her, this is my pet rant at the moment!!!
Work this out............
In 1979 I got qualified as an "approved Electrician" after a training and apprenticing period of three years.
In 1980 decided to broaden my skill base and trained as a Mechanical Engineer, ( a further 3 years)
Have wired THOUSANDS of premises over the years, from little domestic houses to large scale industrial estates, everything from 12vdc to 415vAC 3 phase electrics.
I'm 50 in october, so have had more years experience than I care to count.
Recently took the industry standard City and Guilds exams for 17th edition IEE regs, and 2391 inspection and testing qualifications, so you would think I was well qualified and more than ably experienced, Right??
WRONG. I'm not allowed to fit a 13A socket in my canteen for a tea urn cos I haven't got the new "Part P" qualification, which ANYBODY even if you are not an electrician can do for £850, and all it does is call you "competant" to fit a 13A socket according to the law.
Flamin hell....what have I trained all these years and got all the qualifications for??
Jobs for the boys, I think. This "part P" is for kitchen fitters etc to be able legally to fit sockets etc in new kitchens, that's all.
I am legally allowed to wire new builds and factory 415v systems, but not qualified to fit a tea urn socket???
Come on......................(rant over, sorry).
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I can just imagine the language that would have come from the lips of the old steam railway drivers in past days if told they had to go through a course to re-train and give them a certificate at the end!
Apart from *@$&*">< ??!!!!, all the old drivers would say "we wrote the bloody manual"!! And that they did! :D :D ;)
Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me! ::) ::)
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Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.
What a joke. ::)
Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me! ::) ::)
Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doesn't mean they are doing it right.
Things change and move on, without training how will they know?
I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry, i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??
I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker
Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!
Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.
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Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.
What a joke. ::)
Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me! ::) ::)
Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doen't mean they are doing it right.
Things change and move on, without training how will they know?
I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??
I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker
Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!
Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.
Fair comment Phil :y :y
I must admit that in the past workers lives were treated as disposable. For instance 100 lives were lost when Brunel built his Box Tunnel near Bath, and around 76 were lost when the Forth Railway Bridge was built :'( :'(.
I was thinking more of specialist skilled workers, more than site workers with my comments, but of course the latter is the subject of this thread! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?
Its done for a reason, long term sevice means nothing unfortunately
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Whilst I take the opinion that "just because you have been doing it for years, does'nt mean you are doing it right" is valid, I HAVE got the current qualifications, and beyond those needed to change a 13A skt!!
What I'm taking issue with is the powers that be are not acknowledging the experience and skill of a particular sector of employment, and making yet another one that any tom, dick, or harry can get "approved" for, as long as he/she has a pulse and £850!!
I know office workers who have done the 2 day course, and somehow are now "skilled and approved" to fit extra sockets to a house!!
Bloody scandalous. Now to be able to do today what I did yesterday, it will cost me another £850.....the lecturer at my local college agrees with me, but he's happy to take my money for next to nothing, and also he's supposed to teach me, but he's only 26 and NEVER ever been in industry in his life!!
Totally wrong.
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?
Its done for a reason, long term sevice means nothing unfortunately
You make an important point in this and your other post Phil.
The problem with such legislation however is that it appears to try to embrace every matter and take care of every eventuality: but by doing so, appears to become overly legislative and cumbersome in practice.
There seems to so much duplication of effort, time wasted and resources expended that it makes the laudable reason for having such legislation enacted in the first place fall into ridicule.
There is now, in this country, a fundamental disconnect between reasonable caution, exercised in a proportionate sensible way, and the excessive application of the dictates of such legislation by individuals, many of whom are merely box tickers, solely interested in retaining their jobs.
Insofar as your point about 'kiddie fiddlers' is concerned, with the deplorable standard and lack good sense and awareness regularly exhibited by our public officials, there is no guarantee that such people wouldn't escape notice.
Again, as with so many of the initiatives trundled out for the ‘betterment’ of society, the H&S legislation often falls to live up to its expectation - as it's very much a case of the theoretical overwhelming the practical.
Good sense and measured application have sadly given way to legions of jobs-worth zealots intent in applying the ‘rules’ at all costs.
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I collect steel from a Corus site near Bristol.
Their H&S is something to behold.... really it is.
Wearing a Hard Hat is mandatory, even when sat in your cab. WHY????? That 8tonne RSJ being moved by a crane above the cab is more than capable of turning the cab into tin-foil, so what on earth is the skid-lid going to do? :-/
Wearing a Hi-Viz is mandatory, even when sat in your cab. WHY????? If wannabe Michael Shumacher in that Fork-Lift cant see my gleaming white vehicle, what chance has he got of seeing me sat in it?
Wearing Safety Boots is mandatory, even when sat in your cab..... I think you know where I'm coming from.
yea Broomie ...... [size=12]you might drop yer flask on yer toes !!!!!!!! :y :y[/size]
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And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?
Yes, but, as someone who has been certified as a "non-kiddy-fiddler" in order to teach children about amateur radio I can tell you that the process involves filling in a form and sending it off. No references were followed up. Presumably criminal record checked but what percentage of those who present a risk would have a glaring criminal record?
It's just a matter of ticking a box to say you have been through the motions of "checking" and therefore aren't to blame when it all goes wrong.
I know office workers who have done the 2 day course, and somehow are now "skilled and approved" to fit extra sockets to a house!!
Same thing. Been on course, money paid, box ticked. Competent. >:(
Most of these schemes are more concerned with trade associations creating work for their members, and they have to avoid excluding the knuckle-draggers who fit kitchens for B&Q so can't make it necessary to demonstrate competence beyond turning up on the right day and paying the fee! Safety of the public is way down the list.
Kevin
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?
Its done for a reason, long term sevice means nothing unfortunately
You've read me quite wrong there.
The gripe I have is that the powers that ban people from practicing are not necessarily competent to assess the people they are banning.
There's just been a story on the BBC News about a rail company that doesn't allow its staff to provide first aid assistance to passengers; even if they happen to have first-aid trained staff on duty. All part of the modern way of doing society. >:(
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site i was on in windsor hotel refurb, no stepladders, no hop ups. caged in platforms only. rubble bins were only filled up a ft, 2 to carry it down to the skip, probably weighed about 10kilos. yet it was ok for 1 man to carry a half hr fire exit door up 3 flights of stairs.
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I have to get a hot work permit now to use the soldering iron in the lab :-?
Not to mention fume extraction and lead free solder i'll bet!
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Try working Offshore (Oil Rigs, Ships). H&S is paramount. All work & i mean all work you do has to have permit.
I have no problems with H&S Offshore, but some of what we have to do in the normal work place is just plain stupid.
H.S.E have to introduce new rules & regs to justify their existance.
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Try working Offshore (Oil Rigs, Ships). H&S is paramount. All work & i mean all work you do has to have permit.
I have no problems with H&S Offshore, but some of what we have to do in the normal work place is just plain stupid.
H.S.E have to introduce new rules & regs to justify their existance.
Except if you work for BP? ;D
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Try working Offshore (Oil Rigs, Ships). H&S is paramount. All work & i mean all work you do has to have permit.
I have no problems with H&S Offshore, but some of what we have to do in the normal work place is just plain stupid.
H.S.E have to introduce new rules & regs to justify their existance.
After Piper Alpha nobody is taking any chances, and quite rightly so :(
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On Corus sites you are not allowed to use mobiles whilst driving including hands free. It's a uphill battle reporting contractors on site seen using phones, who are then removed from site.
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On Corus sites you are not allowed to use mobiles whilst driving including hands free. It's a uphill battle reporting contractors on site seen using phones, who are then removed from site.
I bet its more than your jobs worth to not report them as well :)
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I bet its more than your jobs worth to not report them as well :)
Lot of building sites use the 'don't walk by', its right, how would you feel if you saw someone doing something that 'isn't right', ignored it and their actions injured someone??
To be honest if i followed every letter of the the law, and yes HSE 'rules' are law, then i would never be able to work, HOWEVER if you use common sense you can use it to your advantage.
Working at height is very dangerous, but if you assess the risk and take 'adequate precautions' its still dangerous but you have reuced the likelyhood and probability.
Just as a final note, more people have died on UK construction sites in the last 9 years than UK soldiers have died in Afghanistan - sobering thought isn't it, your just off to earn a few £ and there is the same chance you will not come home as if you are ducking live rounds?
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.
What an inconceivable waste of life and resources. :( :(
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.
What an inconceivable waste of life and resources. :( :(
They all are Zu but mankind hasn't seen fit to stop having them yet.
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
Thats terrible! you would think with todays technology they would be able to scan the fields to say, 3 feet deep with a metal detector or something fixed ahead of the plough to avoid being blown to bits :(
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.
What an inconceivable waste of life and resources. :( :(
They all are Zu but mankind hasn't seen fit to stop having them yet.
No doubt about that Zed and there will be a few to come yet. :(
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When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.
Why? Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.
The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them! :P :P :P
Thats terrible! you would think with todays technology they would be able to scan the fields to say, 3 feet deep with a metal detector or something fixed ahead of the plough to avoid being blown to bits :(
The trouble is BV the munitions are all over the place, at depth and near / on the surface. Most of them that become visable are carefully moved to the side of the field (a practice also undertaken in Northern France) for the bomb squad to remove on a regular basis. These piles grow quite quickly due to the numbers of munitions recovered. Everywhere you go there is visable evidence of shells, grenades, bullets, sometimes still on their clips, and many other bits and pieces, including bones.
It would be virtually impossible for the farmers to attempt to seek everyone of the 10 million pieces of munitions still in the ground, or above; as I once found an unexploded 15" shell in a forest that I could sit on!! So they just take the risk when ploughing! :o :o
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Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.
What a joke. ::)
Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me! ::) ::)
Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doesn't mean they are doing it right.
Things change and move on, without training how will they know?
I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry, i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??
I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker
Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!
Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.
Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY. Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
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Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.
What a joke. ::)
Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me! ::) ::)
Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doesn't mean they are doing it right.
Things change and move on, without training how will they know?
I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry, i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??
I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker
Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!
Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.
Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY. Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idiocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously? ::)
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Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
.. and there's the root of the problem. ;)
Kevin
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My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it. She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla. Has about 12 CRBs on the go.
This country will disappear up its own backside before long. >:( >:( >:(
And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?
Its done for a reason, long term sevice means nothing unfortunately
I was tending to give you the benefit of the doubt - until you played the daily mail joker :'(
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Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
.. and there's the root of the problem. ;)
Kevin
He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick bastards who DO need educating :o
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Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
.. and there's the root of the problem. ;)
Kevin
He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick blanks who DO need educating :o
But think they know better. ::)
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Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
.. and there's the root of the problem. ;)
Kevin
He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick blanks who DO need educating :o
But think they know better. ::)
The thing is - we don't need all this box ticking and jumping through hoops to deal with them. Darwin found a much better mechanism that has been working well for thousands of years. ;)
Kevin
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The thing is - we don't need all this box ticking and jumping through hoops to deal with them. Darwin found a much better mechanism that has been working well for thousands of years. ;)
Kevin
Quite so K and if the H&S Executive and other like bodies could lay their figuratively collective hands upon him, he would be beaten mercilessly for having the temerity to suggest such a thing in the first place.
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Sorry...I just despair of it all. Soon, we will all be wearing straps on our hammers in case we slip and let go, and screwdrivers with wrist torque devices on them, and the whole population will be wearing filter masks "in case" we breathe in any particles from exhaust fumes............
"Hot work" permit for a soldering iron??
Give me strength. If I had to apply to every site I go to daily for a permit to use my soldering iron, I would spend 50% of my time waiting for a permit and not doing the work!!
Luckily, 99% of where I go doesn't need permits as in the open air...............phew!
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Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY. Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
Who is the 'you' that this rant is aimed at??
Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously? ::)
And what exactly did YOU do about it?
If you don't like what you see man up and say something, don't just ignore it, it works both ways!
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Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY. Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please. >:(
Who is the 'you' that this rant is aimed at??
Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously? ::)
And what exactly did YOU do about it?
If you don't like what you see man up and say something, don't just ignore it, it works both ways!
Like my opinion on his PPE would make a blind bit of difference. They have too high a sense of self importance to listen to a truck driver. Once again no one wants to see anyone hurt or worse in the workplace & any WORTHWHILE progression in safety is no bad thing but it many aspects are more of a hindrance than help, unnecessary not to mention down right annoying in the real world.
The rant is directed at those who enforce such & those who are in favour of. Should this include your good self then i'm "manning up" as you so eloquently put it then yes including you in my rant directive (to be reviewed quarterly under section 5 sub paragraph....request dig my eyes out with a rusty screwdriver in frustration.
Have a good day at work tomorrow, Guy. :y