Can anybody under 30 yr old drive in the snow?
Got back to UK yesterday morning - no taxis- too much snow, then could not use company van (astra) as key in safe place , so forced to use Miggy -- pleasantly surprised how good it is in the snow -- who needs front wheel drive? - half predictable back end breaking traction to turn car into right direction then nudge it as appropriate - all good fun. - Kids these days don't seem to be able to drive in the white stuff - why can't I go round corner at 40 mph like normal?)
Can anybody under 30 yr old drive in the snow?Got back to UK yesterday morning - no taxis- too much snow, then could not use company van (astra) as key in safe place , so forced to use Miggy -- pleasantly surprised how good it is in the snow -- who needs front wheel drive? - half predictable back end breaking traction to turn car into right direction then nudge it as appropriate - all good fun. - Kids these days don't seem to be able to drive in the white stuff - why can't I go round corner at 40 mph like normal?)
MX5's are tail happy wee beasties even in just damp conditions.QuoteCan anybody under 30 yr old drive in the snow?
Got back to UK yesterday morning - no taxis- too much snow, then could not use company van (astra) as key in safe place , so forced to use Miggy -- pleasantly surprised how good it is in the snow -- who needs front wheel drive? - half predictable back end breaking traction to turn car into right direction then nudge it as appropriate - all good fun. - Kids these days don't seem to be able to drive in the white stuff - why can't I go round corner at 40 mph like normal?)
I can ;)
A 2.0 mx5 can't unfortunately, snow completley imobilises it ;D The mig is a totaly different story 8-)
agree front wheel drive tends to be better when slippery - but rear wheel more fun/interesting
Just to set the record straight, I'm well over 30, and I'm absolutely useless at driving in the snow and ice.
Took me an hour to back out of the drive yesterday :(
You don't play drifties if somone else is alons side you anyway. :-?Quoteagree front wheel drive tends to be better when slippery - but rear wheel more fun/interesting
I agree. It is more fun getting the back end out and so on. Unfortunately, if you get your back end out in the normal course of driving, you've swiped someone alongside you.
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i & many others still manage to get our artics up & down our wee island so car drivers have no excuse.
QuoteYou don't play drifties if somone else is alons side you anyway. :-?Quoteagree front wheel drive tends to be better when slippery - but rear wheel more fun/interesting
I agree. It is more fun getting the back end out and so on. Unfortunately, if you get your back end out in the normal course of driving, you've swiped someone alongside you.
Just to set the record straight, I'm well over 30, and I'm absolutely useless at driving in the snow and ice.
Front wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
QuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
Front wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Front wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
QuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
That depends; Ok you have the weight of the engine over the front of the driving wheels, but that's all you can have. With a correct wheel drive car you can add quite a lot of weight. I used to run SD1's years back & i used to load up the boot with Silo Bolts from work, 40 kilo a sack & i'd have ten in the wheel well, that coupled with self leveling suspension. I never had any problems at all :y :y :y :y
thats what i was going to say ;DQuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
That depends; Ok you have the weight of the engine over the front of the driving wheels, but that's all you can have. With a correct wheel drive car you can add quite a lot of weight. I used to run SD1's years back & i used to load up the boot with Silo Bolts from work, 40 kilo a sack & i'd have ten in the wheel well, that coupled with self leveling suspension. I never had any problems at all :y :y :y :y
Except fuel economy. :o
I came home from work yesterday morning just in time to see the young lad from next door trying to get his 306 up the gentle incline on our road.I normally go straight to bed when I get home but I spent 10 minutes watching him,flat out in 1st,wheels spinning like mad,wheel from lock to lock and the car slowly sliding from one side of the road to the other but making no forward progress at all.It was hilarious. ::) ;D
Maria - you must be one of the few exceptions- was talking to next door yesterday -he was trying to educate one of the kids that spinning wheels to get thru 6" of packed snow before you move is not the way to go.
Its a pleasant change to be able to log on - as had to use another pc the last 4 weeks
The number of times I’ve anticipated other drivers not stopping at junctions in time causing me to either stop / avoid them was shocking too! :-? :-?
QuoteMaria - you must be one of the few exceptions- was talking to next door yesterday -he was trying to educate one of the kids that spinning wheels to get thru 6" of packed snow before you move is not the way to go.
Its a pleasant change to be able to log on - as had to use another pc the last 4 weeks
its marie darlin!!!! :)
and i would have loved to have seen that. much to me trying i cant get my mig to spin. i did a few months back put bigger wheels on her.
it must be my excellent driving!!!! ;D ;D ;D
On a more serious note i & many others still manage to get our artics up & down our wee island so car drivers have no excuse.
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.
and we forgot,
4wd is always the best ;D
Has no one heard of snow chains in this country anymore ??
QuoteHas no one heard of snow chains in this country anymore ??
Debs has some, but she lives in another country :D
They're something i've never used.
I think the problem is that some roads have a snow covering & other's don't. So it's a case put on, remove & so on :(
Front wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.Beg to differ there Steve with fwd if you loose traction you also loose steering unlike rwd you still can point the motor where you want to go
They take about 2 minutes to put on .. and 30 secs to take off !!!
Last time I had to use them was just to get out off the estate .... once on the main road it was into the bus stop, take them off and continue.
:) I think 5 minutes is worth it ???
This is how you fit them .. and seriously .. it takes longer to get them out of the box than it does to actually fit them !!
http://www.skidrive.co.uk/snow-chains/fit_guide.php
QuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.[/quote]
That is the answer :y along with an awareness of whay other cars, around you are doing. :y
Been in some terrible stuff tonight with swmbo and Miss Vamps, had to pass rwd and fwd cars that simply could not make progress cos of too heavy right foot, oh and i was in my Citroen, fwd and you can 'drift' it :-[
QuoteQuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.[/quote]
That is the answer :y along with an awareness of whay other cars, around you are doing. :y
Been in some terrible stuff tonight with swmbo and Miss Vamps, had to pass rwd and fwd cars that simply could not make progress cos of too heavy right foot, oh and i was in my Citroen, fwd and you can 'drift' it :-[
But you have age and experience on your side you old bugga. :-X :y :y
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.[/quote]
That is the answer :y along with an awareness of whay other cars, around you are doing. :y
Been in some terrible stuff tonight with swmbo and Miss Vamps, had to pass rwd and fwd cars that simply could not make progress cos of too heavy right foot, oh and i was in my Citroen, fwd and you can 'drift' it :-[
But you have age and experience on your side you old bugga. :-X :y :y
And sometimes, as you know, it comes in handy.... :P
Got home tonight could not get on by drive, kerb the Problem, and I reverse on so like a rwd car. Turned it round and drove on fwd, no problem :y
Anyway, I read you have been in hospital, for 3 weeks? hope you are OK, certainly nice to see you back.. :y
Went in to check out the sexy nurses and liked what I saw, wanted to leave but they forced to stay and pampered me for a while. :-X
QuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.
QuoteQuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.
Not necessarily... Smooth, slower and controlled... RWD is, IMO better in snow as when you lose drive you can steer with the accelerator ;) ;) ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFront wheel drive is best in slippery conditions.
Last year the guy 2 doors down couldn't get his vectra up the 1.5" to his drive. Completley useless ::)
I've had two omegas and a beemer, both RWD, and both as sh!t in the wet/snow as any FWD. I've been driving for just on 40 years and the secret to driving in slippery conditions is- slow and careful, no matter which wheels are driven.
Not necessarily... Smooth, slower and controlled... RWD is, IMO better in snow as when you lose drive you can steer with the accelerator ;) ;) ;)
The Mini proved in the 1963 Monte Carlo Rally that FWD was best and nothing has since proved otherwise over 4x4..... :)
bit offended bout that comment.
its not your age its your experience.
i find im always stuck behind blokes over 50 or women doing 30kmph.
most annoying when your late because you forgot you had to deice/defrost the car!!!!
bit of both as its my first winter in germany and i wanted to stay in bed
Quotebit of both as its my first winter in germany and i wanted to stay in bed
That explains the 30 kph behind the little old ladys then if in Germany. Our little old ladys are smart and stay tucked up in bed.
I once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
QuoteI once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
I had to do just that some years ago in a Rover 827 Auto, no way was it going to stop and another, out of control car, heading towards me, reverse was the only option.. :y
I once got caught in a snowfall that came down so quickly that everybody lost sight of the road. There were seven "lanes" of traffic on a three lane motorway. Which was a pity, because we were all heading for the entrance of the Schiphol Tunnel, which is, at best, three lanes. I was little worried, as I'd only had my brand new 2.8 Scorpio for ten days.
Eventually got home 4 hours late, but the snow had drifted badly, and there wasn't anywhere to stop safely, let alone park for the night. Finally had to settle for getting up the best speed I could and driving straight at the friendliest-looking pile of snow. Crude, but effective. And no fun in the only car I ever bought new.
At least in Holland I didn't have to worry about driving up and down hills. :) :) :)
QuoteQuoteI once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
I had to do just that some years ago in a Rover 827 Auto, no way was it going to stop and another, out of control car, heading towards me, reverse was the only option.. :y
Thats now 2 stories you have told that havee used FWD as RWD and yet you still say FWD is best. :-X :y
QuoteQuoteQuoteI once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
I had to do just that some years ago in a Rover 827 Auto, no way was it going to stop and another, out of control car, heading towards me, reverse was the only option.. :y
Thats now 2 stories you have told that havee used FWD as RWD and yet you still say FWD is best. :-X :y
I have driven both for years and will continue to do so, I don't choose a car by what wheel drive it is, simply do I like it. We happen to have, out of 4 Cars, 3 which are Front Whel Drive and the Mig.
Overall, in my own opinion and experience I would put FWD ahead when driving in the snow..... :y
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
I had to do just that some years ago in a Rover 827 Auto, no way was it going to stop and another, out of control car, heading towards me, reverse was the only option.. :y
Thats now 2 stories you have told that havee used FWD as RWD and yet you still say FWD is best. :-X :y
I have driven both for years and will continue to do so, I don't choose a car by what wheel drive it is, simply do I like it. We happen to have, out of 4 Cars, 3 which are Front Whel Drive and the Mig.
Overall, in my own opinion and experience I would put FWD ahead when driving in the snow..... :y
Front wheel drive will always have the edge, mainly due to weight, you got a nice heavy engine pushing down on the front wheels, its also pulling rather than pushing.
Unless you have a full tank of motion lotion, RWD will struggle to get grip
I once touched the brakes in one of my yank cars (bought it on a day when 18 inches of snow fell) and the car was so light on the back end there was no way it was going to stop. So nailed the brakes to lock them up, shuffed the auto into reverse and nailed the throttle till the car stopped going forward. Not the best way to avoid an accident but it worked.
bit offended bout that comment.
its not your age its your experience.
i find im always stuck behind blokes over 50 or women doing 30kmph.
most annoying when your late because you forgot you had to deice/defrost the car!!!!
Just taken SWMBO's Panda (FWD) for a spin to see how it behaves......
RWD is far better IMO... It just wasn't as pleasant to drive. Mind you... It handbrake turns well :-X :-X ::) ::) ;D ;D
QuoteJust taken SWMBO's Panda (FWD) for a spin to see how it behaves......
RWD is far better IMO... It just wasn't as pleasant to drive. Mind you... It handbrake turns well :-X :-X ::) ::) ;D ;D
I followed a Panda 4x4 over a mountain pass for about 20 miles in Italy. Thought I'd be held up by it horribly but it was a proper little mountain goat. :D
OK. It was a bit slow on some of the climbs but the driver showed a bit more commitment to the hairpins on the way down than I was prepared to in a 1.7 ton saloon with all that energy to get rid of if it went pear shaped. :o
There's an owner of an ice cream shop on the outside of a hairpin in Valvestino IIRC who's probably still hopping mad at the dent that mysteriously appeared in his sign that day. :-X
Kevin
Steep snowy/icy inclines in my V6 Estate (>1.7tonnes) requires clever use of the TC button... It's my best friend in the snow... steady uphill progress with TC, start to lose momentum, hit TC button (do disable tc) and little blast on the throttle to pick up again... inevitably losing rear end so counter lock as necessary, then hit TC button (re-activate tc) and plod on.. simples :y definately nothing to do with age or gender just know how & experience... reduced tyre pressures, decent spare for the nasty things you can't see that will give a puncture >:( and whatever car you have FWD, RWD definately find a large empty space and chuck it about so you can really feel what it (your car) behaves like... without TC... how it slides, brakes, countersteers etc. :y
Also MOD trained same as marie & RoSPA advanced... Strongly recommend RoSPA or IAM to all drivers... everyone used do it and now it's hardly mentioned :-?
Posted by Today at 01:16 Another one from the dead :D :Dlol just seen the date ;D ;D ;D somehow landed on the thread and found the whole debate quite intersting ;) don't worry I'll let RIP :y
Brush the dust off... I am IAM and also HGV and PSV......
My experience with driving in snow is considerable, briefly includes; a Transit pick up full of LPG bottles is hard to restrict driving in the snow, Police consent to drive the wrong way down the motorway, went about 20 miles to rescue a bus, at one point used a JCB to pull the bus up a hill a couple of foot at a time
QuotePosted by Today at 01:16 Another one from the dead :D :Dlol just seen the date ;D ;D ;D somehow landed on the thread and found the whole debate quite intersting ;) don't worry I'll let RIP :yQuoteBrush the dust off... I am IAM and also HGV and PSV......
My experience with driving in snow is considerable, briefly includes; a Transit pick up full of LPG bottles is hard to restrict driving in the snow, Police consent to drive the wrong way down the motorway, went about 20 miles to rescue a bus, at one point used a JCB to pull the bus up a hill a couple of foot at a time
lol please do explain... I'm a blue light driver & not allowed to do that, swmbo is plod and can't do that? guessing you must be on amber lights dropping off cones? recovery? highways agency? :D :D :D ;)Anyway I was just giving sound advice by recommending IAM, not suggesting that others on OOF don't have it... promoting safety is a good thing, boasting about considerable experience in the snow is a strange reaction
Another one from the dead :D :D
snow tires , no need for TC, no need for extra stress ;D:y :y
but must admit experimented sideways and hard braking in empty icy areas many times.. ;D
yep Cem has it right fit proper winter tyres to the migg and you will be amazed at the difference, no need to worry about the snow just the other idiots on the road who dont have them!!