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Title: Snake Oil
Post by: andyc on 05 October 2010, 13:39:00

Just having a look on ebay and came accross this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BELLON-25-12V-Electronic-Fuel-saver-OPEL-VAUXHALL-/200522794730?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb01706ea

Discuss

Andy

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Banjax on 05 October 2010, 13:49:59

i seriously doubt it gives you any saving at all let alone 25% - total bs, I'd be interested to see if anyone knows anyone who's got one and makes a saving :y

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Jimbob on 05 October 2010, 13:50:16

what do you mean?
looks a great bit of kit, how can it fail?
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Elite Pete on 05 October 2010, 13:50:41

It just sounds like an electronic volt meter to me :-?

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: aaronjb on 05 October 2010, 14:20:25

 ;D ;D ;D

Wow, it does everything!

From the description I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the cure for erectile dysfunction, too!

I MUST HAVE ONE!

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Sixstring on 05 October 2010, 15:11:01

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;D ;D ;D

Wow, it does everything!

From the description I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the cure for erectile dysfunction, too!

I MUST HAVE ONE!

Blimey!! he'll make a mint, then.

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: aaronjb on 05 October 2010, 15:17:20

That probably depends where you have to hook the wires up to  :o :D

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Chris_H on 05 October 2010, 15:23:30

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It just sounds like an electronic volt meter to me :-?

No.  it has a 7 Farad capacitor in there to smooth out the wobbly bits.  You can't have wobbly bits on your voltage or the petrol consumption will sky-rocket!

It will sell like hot cakes to people who are... ...simples.

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: davethediver on 05 October 2010, 15:30:21

Mine didn't work as well as i thought till i added this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FUEL-SAVER-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-CALIBRA-CORSA-TIGRA-OMEGA-/110477416456?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19b8f79808

 :y

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: redelitev6 on 05 October 2010, 18:15:39

How are trading standards and the advertising authorities letting this sort of garbage being sold? >:(

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: plym ian on 05 October 2010, 18:24:07

so if 1 saves 25% i'll take 4 and save 100% ;D ;D

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 October 2010, 20:35:07

So, the ignition system is nothing to do with a collapsing field which derives its energy from that stored within the magnetic flux of the transformer (coil) core any more, its now directly related to the battery supply.

Interesting.

I bet Nippon Chemicon are over the moon with having thier name put on this.

All I see is a cheap volt meter and a few capacitors!

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: jereboam on 05 October 2010, 20:39:31

Both of these devices are using the same sort of pseudo-scientific codswallop that the proponents of homeopathy use.

Frankly, there's more likelihood that homeopathic remedies would work than that either of these two pieces of kit would do anything. 

I don't see how a hotter spark would burn fuel more efficiently, even if raising the battery voltage would produce a hotter spark, even if the car's electronics didn't smooth out the voltage levels, which aren't actually relevant anyway as the battery voltage is unlikely to affect the HT circuits, and I know naff-all about electronics.

As for magnetising water or fuel, I just don't believe it. 

It's the dihydrogen monoxide effect all over again.

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 October 2010, 20:42:13

lets assume its not fake..

but % 25  too ambitious ;D and unrealistic..

I have seen some magnetic parts which are build here used with carburetted systems some years ago..they claim %8 .. and resulted around %3-5 depending on the car.. but %25 with injection systems , no way :(

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 October 2010, 21:01:14

hmmm.. the current model ..

(original principle by Simon Ruskin USA engineer)

measured as %18 by my university (METU) and certificated by ministry.. on a 1.6 car.. :-?


para-hydrocarbons cooled and magnetized (9000-12000 gauss) and  converted to ortho-hydrocarbons :-?


one example..

http://www.ekoyak.com/ekoyak_oto/sayfalar/opel_frontera.html


here is the link

http://www.ekoyak.com/ekoyak_oto.html
http://www.ekoyak.com/ekoyak.html

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 October 2010, 21:03:23

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I don't see how a hotter spark would burn fuel more efficiently, even if raising the battery voltage would produce a hotter spark...

Bingo! The spark either reliably lights the fuel mixture or it doesn't. So much rubbish is talked about ignition systems affecting power output. All rubbish.

It's like saying your steak will cook better if you light your barbecue with a bigger match!

Kevin

Title: Re: Snake Oil
Post by: PhilRich on 05 October 2010, 21:19:44

Well what he says is partly true :)
If you buy one, that's £50 you wont have to spend on petrol! That's an impressive saving even before you've wired it up! :D ;D   
Also, if you wired it to the battery in sequence with your balls, I reckon you could double the 'load' produced?  ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)