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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: scimmy_man on 15 October 2010, 21:40:35
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320507/Cancer-purely-man-say-scientists-finding-trace-disease-Egyptian-mummies.html
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i should be ok, i live a very healthy active life. ::)
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apart from the bad back? ;D
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Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life
Hummm, utter 'dangle berries'!
I used to work with a guy in his early 60's, it was a young mobile content entertainment company, and he was by far the oldest employee. Yet he could out run any of us, he ran all kinds of Marathons in excellent times, he saw and climbed the world and never smoked.
Every lunch time while i was stuffing my face of very un-healthy food from Tesco or local sandwich shop, he would be reading a book eating pita bread and tomatoes, he always ate healthy and kept himself fit.
He was a good friend who always helped me with my SQL at work, he died last year from stomach cancer :'(
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Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life
Hummm, utter 'dangle berries'!
I used to work with a guy in his early 60's, it was a young mobile content entertainment company, and he was by far the oldest employee. Yet he could out run any of us, he ran all kinds of Marathons in excellent times, he saw and climbed the world and never smoked.
Every lunch time while i was stuffing my face of very un-healthy food from Tesco or local sandwich shop, he would be reading a book eating pita bread and tomatoes, he always ate healthy and kept himself fit.
He was a good friend who always helped me with my SQL at work, he died last year from stomach cancer :'(
:-? :(
Tunnie stay away from fast food..those saturated oils are extremely dangerous..
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Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life
Hummm, utter 'dangle berries'!
I used to work with a guy in his early 60's, it was a young mobile content entertainment company, and he was by far the oldest employee. Yet he could out run any of us, he ran all kinds of Marathons in excellent times, he saw and climbed the world and never smoked.
Every lunch time while i was stuffing my face of very un-healthy food from Tesco or local sandwich shop, he would be reading a book eating pita bread and tomatoes, he always ate healthy and kept himself fit.
He was a good friend who always helped me with my SQL at work, he died last year from stomach cancer :'(
:-? :(
Tunnie stay away from fast food..those saturated oils are extremely dangerous..
See i'm not sure foods are the entire story, as many people eat at Burger King most of their lives and are fine :-/
My friend proved that with his life long healthy diet :(
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"What Just One High-Saturated-Fat Meal Can Do"
A small but apparently significant study, published in the August 15th, 2006 Journal of the American College of Cardiology, shows that eating just one high-saturated-fat meal can hinder the ability of HDL or "good" cholesterol from protecting against clogged arteries.
Fourteen healthy Australian volunteers between the ages of 18 and 40 were fed two special meals one month apart. Each meal comprised a slice of carrot cake and a milkshake. But one of the meals was high in saturated fat (made with coconut oil) while the other was high in polyunsaturated fat (using safflower oil). Neither the researchers nor the participants knew which meal was eaten during which visit. The meals were prepared so that each volunteer ate 1 gram of fat per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight—roughly the equivalent of a double cheeseburger, large fries and a large milkshake for a 150-pound person.
Three hours after eating the saturated-fat cake and shake meal, the artery linings were unable to expand sufficiently to increase blood flow to the body’s tissues and organs. The arteries showed some reduced ability after the polyunsaturated meal, but these results were deemed not statistically significant.
After six hours, researchers noted that the anti-inflammatory qualities of HDL cholesterol were reduced after eating the saturated-fat meal, whereas they improved after eating the polyunsaturated meal.
It’s long been thought that diets high in saturated fat tend to clog our arteries with plaque, putting us at increased risk of heart attack and stroke. If this is what one meal can do in a few hours, imagine what a lifelong diet of high-saturated-fat food will do. This study seems to show not only that the negative effects of eating certain fats is more immediate than we thought, but also that the positive effects of HDL cholesterol in our bodies is dependent on other factors. And for those who promote coconut oil as a healthier kind saturated fat, since it’s a plant-based saturated fat, this study may be a setback"
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Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life
Hummm, utter 'dangle berries'!
I used to work with a guy in his early 60's, it was a young mobile content entertainment company, and he was by far the oldest employee. Yet he could out run any of us, he ran all kinds of Marathons in excellent times, he saw and climbed the world and never smoked.
Every lunch time while i was stuffing my face of very un-healthy food from Tesco or local sandwich shop, he would be reading a book eating pita bread and tomatoes, he always ate healthy and kept himself fit.
He was a good friend who always helped me with my SQL at work, he died last year from stomach cancer :'(
:-? :(
Tunnie stay away from fast food..those saturated oils are extremely dangerous..
See i'm not sure foods are the entire story, as many people eat at Burger King most of their lives and are fine :-/
they are still young , god knows what future will bring :-/
My friend proved that with his life long healthy diet :(
there may be other factors like genetics :-/
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has to be a balance, things like Red Wine, in right amounts be good for you, but too often its taken to excess. I try to keep things balanced
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So another Mail online story!!
Read this for another set of historical view points:
http://www.cancerquest.org/cancer-timeline-3000bc-present
;) ;)
and this one:
http://www.cancervic.org.au/about-cancer/for-schools/timeline-cancer-history
;) ;) ;)
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In large enough amounts, anything can kill you .. water, for example.
Or you could live a pious life of vegetables and water, and get run over by a bus tomorrow..
Life is just one big game of chance.
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eat healthily, dont drink, avoid the opposite sex....
you may not live longer but it will feel like it? ;D
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In large enough amounts, anything can kill you .. water, for example.
Or you could live a pious life of vegetables and water, and get run over by a bus tomorrow..
Life is just one big game of chance.
yep.. but you dont stay on the road and watch a bus coming onto you ;D :y
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has to be a balance, things like Red Wine, in right amounts be good for you, but too often its taken to excess. I try to keep things balanced
yep.. but unfortunately wine brings my apetite and after I sweep the refrigerator ;D ;D
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It's all utter 'dangle berries' Tunnie, and believe me as someone who's been through it twice now & thankfully come out the other end still kicking, and had my Mum die of Bowel Cancer in 2004, I have more knowledge than the average Punter! Read the Papers one week & too much red wine will kill you, read the same papers a month later & too little red wine will kill you! >:(
'A little bit of what you fancy does you good'. Remember that old adage? It's as sound a rule to live by now as it always was! Take anything in excess, & it is going to turn round & bite you in the arse! As for the utterly stupid headline 'Cancer caused by Modern Living', Who in Ancient Egyptian times would have known what to look for? Even allowing for the fact that only Royalty, the very rich & Governmental figures would have had access to any medical facilities (a small fraction of the population) let alone be embalmed or mummified to tell the (scurrilous)tale thousands of years later! If anything in 'Modern Life' was responsible for Cancer & umpteen other diseases, it is the Heavy Engineering & Chemical Processes that the Western World grew rich on & which took and continues to take, a very heavy toll on the people who worked in those Industries. But no-one will convince me that the poor buggers who pioneered iron ore smelting or bronze refining in the Bronze Age didn't have Cancerous illness caused by the march of 'Progress'! :-X
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Aha! The build-up to more regulation aimed at controlling our lifestyles. You can see it coming.
:( :(
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probably true.
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I dont think its complete bolox tbh. I think there is a certain amount of truth in it. As Phil mentioned, the chemical industry is partly to blame - certain chemicals are proven carcinogenics, and they can get into the food chain or be present in the air we breathe. Nicotine is another example. People who are exposed to high levels of radiation have a higher chance of malignant brain tumours. Modern processed food is a prime suspect in the cause of cancers in the digestive system, and the contraceptive pill has long been suspected to contribute to breast cancer in woman.
There are of course other factors, such as genetics etc. its probably a case of if you are unlucky enough to be exposed to some of the causes and you are also physically predisposed for whatever reason, then you get it.
Apparently one in three of us will have Cancer during our lifetime. I doubt this was true in the 18th or 19th centuries.
Personally I tend to eat healthy food - home grown veg, meat from local farms etc. wether or not it will do any good remains to be seen. There have been an extraordinary number of people in my family circle who have died of Cancer. Many of them younger than I am now.
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I dont think its complete bolox tbh. I think there is a certain amount of truth in it. As Phil mentioned, the chemical industry is partly to blame - certain chemicals are proven carcinogenics, and they can get into the food chain or be present in the air we breathe. Nicotine is another example. People who are exposed to high levels of radiation have a higher chance of malignant brain tumours. Modern processed food is a prime suspect in the cause of cancers in the digestive system, and the contraceptive pill has long been suspected to contribute to breast cancer in woman.
There are of course other factors, such as genetics etc. its probably a case of if you are unlucky enough to be exposed to some of the causes and you are also physically predisposed for whatever reason, then you get it.Apparently one in three of us will have Cancer during our lifetime. I doubt this was true in the 18th or 19th centuries.
Personally I tend to eat healthy food - home grown veg, meat from local farms etc. wether or not it will do any good remains to be seen. There have been an extraordinary number of people in my family circle who have died of Cancer. Many of them younger than I am now.
:y :y :y
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like cem, I agree with Albs. Stupidly I smoke and I wish I had more willpower to stop. This year alone I have known 4 relatives and work friends who have had cancer. Very sadly one died last week. Smoking undoubtedly is not good for you (not least because of all the chemicals in it) but you dont have to have ever smoked to die of cancer. I also recall, when I worked as an auxillary nurse many years ago, several old boys who had been through the Great War who always had their daily fix of players and a tot of whiskey in the evening and were well into their 80s . I think that the very term "cancer" is used to cover a range of cell malfunctions. Undoubtedly a lot of what we have done with our food chain over the years has not helped, but then again, do we not live longer now on average than we did in the past? Life is for the living and all that, but some sensible precautions shouldnt go amiss.
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There are many more complications to this topic than most folks realise, and research does not always find answers... often only more problems...
I'll use one as an example....
Some years ago an investigation into "clusters" of one type of cancer found that it occured where a certain type of rock (granite) was present. The results seemed to prove that radon - a radioactive gas - might be "seeping" from the rocks and causing an increased rate of cancer. The problem was... why was this occuring now, when folks had lived in these areas for many years without problems. Also, why did it not occur in other areas where the same rocks formations were present.
A theory was eventually produced that many said was rubbish ... that being that the cases of cancer were only appearing in "new build" areas and not older houses.
Some years later that theory was actually proved correct !! What actually happened was that in "old" houses the draughts and ill fitting doors/windows/thatched roofs the radon levels never built up. "Modern" houses with double glazing/central heating etc etc were actualy "trapping" the gases inside so the exposure of the occupants was increased.
The gas has not changed.. it has always been there.. and always will... but our "modern" way of live has changed the way we interact with it.. and now cancers form because of it.
My guess is.... the same is occuring in many other areas... for example ... processed foods now expose us to things we never met years ago ... preservatives/colourings/ "flavour enhancers" (?) etc etc.
I don't think the cancers are "man made" ... but possibly "man has increased the exposure" .... :(
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About the only thing the Daily Mail haven't claimed causes cancer is... reading the daily mail. ;D
I'm no doctor but I suspect a lot of it has to do with life expectancy. I doubt many ancient Egyptians lived far into their 40's. Very few people suffer from cancer below this age so should we necessarily be surprised that there is little evidence of mummies dying of cancer?
The longer you life the more cells reproduce and mutate and the higher the chances are of mutations causing uncontrolled cell growth.
Yes, a third of us will suffer from cancer, but I suspect in many of those people it will strike in old age around their natural end of life anyway. It's simply one of the limiting factors in how long the human body can survive. We have eliminated so many other causes of mortality that we are starting to see its' significance.
Yes, excesses of modern life have something to play in people contracting cancer relatively early in life, I'm sure, but I bet that doesn't account for that many of the third of us who will get it. Just my gut feeling.
Kevin
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We're on takeaways & toast nearly everyday now, but we're are gyming it of late :y
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Not sure I agree Kevin. I can probably think of at least 10 relatives who have had it and almost all of them were in the 30 - 45 age group.
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In large enough amounts, anything can kill you .. water, for example.
Or you could live a pious life of vegetables and water, and get run over by a bus tomorrow..
Life is just one big game of chance.
Agreed, but there are lots of factors that are under our control, so much so that we can greatly reduce or increase our chances of getting cancer, or other things.
I could be killed by a maniac tomorrow, I'm still planning for my future though!
I could get cancer, but there are lots of things I can do (and do btw), or don't do to hopefully not get it. I'm the healthiest person i know, because I fully understand how important health is, and would hate to be without it!
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About the only thing the Daily Mail haven't claimed causes cancer is... reading the daily mail. ;D
I'm no doctor but I suspect a lot of it has to do with life expectancy. I doubt many ancient Egyptians lived far into their 40's. Very few people suffer from cancer below this age so should we necessarily be surprised that there is little evidence of mummies dying of cancer?
The longer you life the more cells reproduce and mutate and the higher the chances are of mutations causing uncontrolled cell growth.
Yes, a third of us will suffer from cancer, but I suspect in many of those people it will strike in old age around their natural end of life anyway. It's simply one of the limiting factors in how long the human body can survive. We have eliminated so many other causes of mortality that we are starting to see its' significance.
Yes, excesses of modern life have something to play in people contracting cancer relatively early in life, I'm sure, but I bet that doesn't account for that many of the third of us who will get it. Just my gut feeling.
Kevin
Fully agree with this too. I also think it is natures way of killing us off. What purpose would it serve to live on? Ones selfishness?
We need to die to allow the race to move on.
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In large enough amounts, anything can kill you .. water, for example.
Or you could live a pious life of vegetables and water, and get run over by a bus tomorrow..
Life is just one big game of chance.
Agreed, but there are lots of factors that are under our control, so much so that we can greatly reduce or increase our chances of getting cancer, or other things.
I could be killed by a maniac tomorrow, I'm still planning for my future though!
I could get cancer, but there are lots of things I can do (and do btw), or don't do to hopefully not get it. I'm the healthiest person i know, because I fully understand how important health is, and would hate to be without it!
A healthy Makem, that has to be a first, congratulations...... :D :D :D
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Not sure I agree Kevin. I can probably think of at least 10 relatives who have had it and almost all of them were in the 30 - 45 age group.
Like I say, I don't claim to be an expert. Just an idea for the melting pot. I guess we all have different experiences which change the way we perceive it. :-/
Kevin
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I am a firm believer in the fact that there's a cancer gene - they just haven't found it yet.
All my grandparents smoked since being arond 12 years old. All lived into their late 70's, and none of them died of a "smoking related" illness.
A mate of mine, who was 17, used to do karate. He got a stray kick in the wedding-tackle, and went on to develop testiclar cancer. Fortunately, it's since been sorted.
How many of us know someone who's abused their bodies for years (be it through smoking, drinking,or anything along those lines), and seem to live forever, and then you get somebody who lives the healthy lifestyle (like Tunnie's mate) and then gets struck down before their time?
I know it's not fair, and defies logic, hence my theory
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There are many more complications to this topic than most folks realise, and research does not always find answers... often only more problems...
I'll use one as an example....
Some years ago an investigation into "clusters" of one type of cancer found that it occured where a certain type of rock (granite) was present. The results seemed to prove that radon - a radioactive gas - might be "seeping" from the rocks and causing an increased rate of cancer. The problem was... why was this occuring now, when folks had lived in these areas for many years without problems. Also, why did it not occur in other areas where the same rocks formations were present.
A theory was eventually produced that many said was rubbish ... that being that the cases of cancer were only appearing in "new build" areas and not older houses.
Some years later that theory was actually proved correct !! What actually happened was that in "old" houses the draughts and ill fitting doors/windows/thatched roofs the radon levels never built up. "Modern" houses with double glazing/central heating etc etc were actualy "trapping" the gases inside so the exposure of the occupants was increased.
The gas has not changed.. it has always been there.. and always will... but our "modern" way of live has changed the way we interact with it.. and now cancers form because of it.
My guess is.... the same is occuring in many other areas... for example ... processed foods now expose us to things we never met years ago ... preservatives/colourings/ "flavour enhancers" (?) etc etc.
I don't think the cancers are "man made" ... but possibly "man has increased the exposure" .... :(
phew.. really interesting! :y
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About the only thing the Daily Mail haven't claimed causes cancer is... reading the daily mail. ;D
I'm no doctor but I suspect a lot of it has to do with life expectancy. I doubt many ancient Egyptians lived far into their 40's. Very few people suffer from cancer below this age so should we necessarily be surprised that there is little evidence of mummies dying of cancer?
The longer you life the more cells reproduce and mutate and the higher the chances are of mutations causing uncontrolled cell growth.
Yes, a third of us will suffer from cancer, but I suspect in many of those people it will strike in old age around their natural end of life anyway. It's simply one of the limiting factors in how long the human body can survive. We have eliminated so many other causes of mortality that we are starting to see its' significance.
Yes, excesses of modern life have something to play in people contracting cancer relatively early in life, I'm sure, but I bet that doesn't account for that many of the third of us who will get it. Just my gut feeling.
Kevin
Fully agree with this too. I also think it is natures way of killing us off. What purpose would it serve to live on? Ones selfishness?
We need to die to allow the race to move on.
another alternative thinking would be why populate like rabbits.. ;D
seriously its not the natures way to kill us.. an enzyme stops cell reproduction.. lack of it ends with cancer even without external factors.. like all living organisms human dna also mutates .. and probably will correct itself after some thousand years or more ..
but probably we wont see ..
ps : I also think that living a very long bad life not something desirable.. however human kind looses a high knowledge power when we die with many knowledge after long years of hard work..