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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 20 October 2010, 13:53:48
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Doesn't seem too bad but no doubt the devil is in the detail.
I'm a bit disappointed in no more prisons- presumably that means mnore lenient sentences and earlier remand.
What do you think?
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Politically quite clever imo. Labour believed that he was going to cut 25% overall, and apparently stated that they would only have cut 20%. He actually cut 19%, so can claim that they have cut less than Labour would have done.
As you say Varche the devil will be in the detail, but my initial impression is that they may have bottled the opportunity to make a good start on dismantling the welfare dependency mindset, and the sense of entitlement of those who dont and wont work. Time will tell I suppose.
For some reason Daves Tories seem determined to project an image of being soft and cuddly on law and order related issues.
Determined to put a lot of distance between themselves and Thatcherism possibly ? :-/
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Politically quite clever imo. Labour believed that he was going to cut 25% overall, and apparently stated that they would only have cut 20%. He actually cut 19%, so can claim that they have cut less than Labour would have done.
As you say Varche the devil will be in the detail, but my initial impression is that they may have bottled the opportunity to make a good start on dismantling the welfare dependency mindset, and the sense of entitlement of those who dont and wont work. Time will tell I suppose.
For some reason Daves Tories seem determined to project an image of being soft and cuddly on law and order related issues.
Determined to put a lot of distance between themselves and Thatcherism possibly ? :-/
Good to see some cost-cutting in the Civil Service, but the rest is smoke and mirrors, IMHO. Still can't understand the thinking behind the defence issues.
We need to get the economy moving and I don't see that this package will do much good in that direction. It's all very well and good to rein in spending, but the effect on the economy is all important, as a slowdown reduces tax income, reduces demand, reduces activity...and then you end up in an economic vicious circle.
I'm underwhelmed. ::)
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Some clever tax cuts may have been the brave thing to do. ;)
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Some clever tax cuts may have been the brave thing to do. ;)
Indeed, Albs, the right way to go about it. :y
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frankly, the up front observable tax burden now is significantly less than it was 25 years ago.... more such tax cuts, not a great plan IMHO.... indeed higher taxes for specific targets is a better one... BANKERS.... SHOULD BE TAXED AT , I DUNNO, SAY 95% of their total income on all bonuses. including those paid in kind , such as share options, rather than cash.
a slow down does not of itself reduce demand.... it slows the growth of demand, it's negative growth that reduces the taxable liabilities...
as long as they can maintain some positive growth, or at least stability, it works... but if for any reason we end up in negative growth again, back into a tail dive recession we go.
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i thought gideon's progressive coughing throughout was like an extended 'bob fleming' sketch from the fast show http://ping.fm/98TYS
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAnPxSlEKTs[/media]
not exactly the most gifted of orators is ol' gideon
;D
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The unions are up in arms with Bob Crow calling it "all out class war" !Of course jobs will be lost and you'd have to be extremely naive to think that many a Tory mp did not have their feet "planted in the fields of Eton" (or at least similar) as Crow's rhetoric went. However, what planet does Bob Crow reside on? If he wants to face up to reality he'd realize that what the Con/Lib dem alliance is doing is really due to New Labour reaping what it sowed. All their mini empire building , farcical PC/nanny state policies and scant regard for budgetry control has led them to this point and further erosion of "socialist" principles. He was right about one thing though and that was that it would be ordinary working people who would carry the can. Yep, but its the same ordinary working people who feel every bit as p*ssed off about their taxation paying for all the benefit fraudsters and PC empire building and gvt/council waste that it does about their hard graft lining the pockets of the owners of the companies they work for and the banking institutions that fleece them at every opportunity!
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Max - no offence but are you on strong medication at the moment ? :-/ ::)
Taxation levels are at approx 50% - I would like to know how they were higher than that in 1985 ?
Tax the one industry that the whole economy is dependabt on, out of existence - good plan. :y :o
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Doesn't seem too bad but no doubt the devil is in the detail.
I'm a bit disappointed in no more prisons- presumably that means mnore lenient sentences and earlier remand.
What do you think?
Perhaps they are bringing back hanging, and transportation to Australia!! :D :D :D ;)
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If they are bringing back transportation to Australia Im taking up crime. :y :) :D
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If they are bringing back transportation to Australia Im taking up crime. :y :) :D
Thats the problem, there is nowhere to ship undesirables anymore. In fact Australia is quite a desirable place to go. ;D ;D ;D
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If they are bringing back transportation to Australia Im taking up crime. :y :) :D
Thats the problem, there is nowhere to ship undesirables anymore. In fact Australia is quite a desirable place to go. ;D ;D ;D
Could ship them to Spain. In fact, looks like they've already started. ::)
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Politically quite clever imo. Labour believed that he was going to cut 25% overall, and apparently stated that they would only have cut 20%. He actually cut 19%, so can claim that they have cut less than Labour would have done.
As you say Varche the devil will be in the detail, but my initial impression is that they may have bottled the opportunity to make a good start on dismantling the welfare dependency mindset, and the sense of entitlement of those who dont and wont work. Time will tell I suppose.
For some reason Daves Tories seem determined to project an image of being soft and cuddly on law and order related issues.
Determined to put a lot of distance between themselves and Thatcherism possibly ? :-/
Very similar to a double glazing selling technique " yes missus you new upvc door is going to cost £2,500 but with the managers discount and the fact that there is a Y in the day I can do it for 1,500 quid" The cost has been pricebuilt then falsely discounted and the client thinks she is on a good deal and the sale is closed. :-?
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Politically quite clever imo. Labour believed that he was going to cut 25% overall, and apparently stated that they would only have cut 20%. He actually cut 19%, so can claim that they have cut less than Labour would have done.
As you say Varche the devil will be in the detail, but my initial impression is that they may have bottled the opportunity to make a good start on dismantling the welfare dependency mindset, and the sense of entitlement of those who dont and wont work. Time will tell I suppose.
For some reason Daves Tories seem determined to project an image of being soft and cuddly on law and order related issues.
Determined to put a lot of distance between themselves and Thatcherism possibly ? :-/
Very similar to a double glazing selling technique " yes missus you new upvc door is going to cost £2,500 but with the managers discount and the fact that there is a Y in the day I can do it for 1,500 quid" The cost has been pricebuilt then falsely discounted and the client thinks she is on a good deal and the sale is closed. :-?
The technical term is 'managing expectations'.
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Doesn't seem too bad but no doubt the devil is in the detail.
I'm a bit disappointed in no more prisons- presumably that means mnore lenient sentences and earlier remand.
What do you think?
Perhaps they are bringing back hanging, and transportation to Australia!! :D :D :D ;)
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Who came up with that idea in the first place.What a punishment send the convicts to a place that has golden unspoilt beachs, clear blue warm seas, a wonderful climate BBQ's on the beach at Christmas and shrimps the size of lobsters. I bet the cons were fighting to get on the ship first ;D
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If they are bringing back transportation to Australia Im taking up crime. :y :) :D
Thats the problem, there is nowhere to ship undesirables anymore. In fact Australia is quite a desirable place to go. ;D ;D ;D
It seems like most other countries have shipped their undesirables here in the last decade. ;)
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how about we use a small windswept scots isle?
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To house the undesirables ? - sounds good to me. :y
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Trouble is it wouldn't be big enough!
No, on second thoughts I favour hanging them all; the pervs, murders, peados, people who put cats in bins - in fact everyone I don't like!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
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uh-oh sounds like some of us could be in trouble ::)
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Trouble is it wouldn't be big enough!
No, on second thoughts I favour hanging them all; the pervs, murders, peados, people who put cats in bins - in fact everyone I don't like!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
The population of the whole planet could apparently stand shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight, so space shouldnt be a problem. ;)
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Last week, our useless government voted through an increase in EU spending, Britain’s share of which (not its share of the total budget, its share of the increase) would be £380 million. Not content with that, the EU parliament has just voted through additional items that would push Britain’s share of the increase to £880 million.
As Dan Hannan notes, "all the savings in welfare announced this afternoon, put together, come to £7 billion a year, yet, last year, we handed £14 billion to Brussels. How the devil did we get into this mess?"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100059964/while-george-osborne-was-announcing-his-spending-cuts-meps-were-pushing-through-spending-increases-that-will-cost-britain-an-additional-880-million/
>:( >:( >:( >:(
That's why I voted UKIP and would do the same again tomorrow.
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Last week, our useless government voted through an increase in EU spending, Britain’s share of which (not its share of the total budget, its share of the increase) would be £380 million. Not content with that, the EU parliament has just voted through additional items that would push Britain’s share of the increase to £880 million.
As Dan Hannan notes, "all the savings in welfare announced this afternoon, put together, come to £7 billion a year, yet, last year, we handed £14 billion to Brussels. How the devil did we get into this mess?"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100059964/while-george-osborne-was-announcing-his-spending-cuts-meps-were-pushing-through-spending-increases-that-will-cost-britain-an-additional-880-million/
>:( >:( >:( >:(
That's why I voted UKIP and would do the same again tomorrow.
Being quite an open minded soul I would like to maintain my belief that there must be some positive aspects to our being part of the EU.
As the days pass - and with the accumulating evidence that this entire structure is so top-heavy and bureaucratically convoluted - there seems to be no way to satisfy Brussels' demand for yet more concessions from the elected governments (and peoples) of the member nations.
To quality as a nation state any administration must have the ability to - inter-alia - decide fiscal policy, have tax-raising powers, have a predetermined foreign and defence policy and operate a homologated legal framework to ensure common application and enforcement of laws across its territory.
This would appear, to me at least, what 'Brussels' has been quietly doing in this latest manifestation of the EU experiment.
I certainly feel concerned that an essentially unelected body is determined to (and appears to be succeeding) assume power in a way that cannot be challenged.
This is far removed from the original concept, which seems a pity as I believed that there was great merit in common cooperation between sovereign nations for the benefit of those involved.
As it stands, this experiment appears responsible for neutering the strength of the individual nations being as they are now hamstrung with endless binding directives and laws that assume precedence over laws and procedures garnered by these nations over their history.
If there is any point to throwing ourselves squarely behind the notion that Brussels should now be the driving force behind our nation’s development, can some one tell me - should we do so - what benefits we can expect?
In my view, the way things seem to be shaping up it's either going to be a case where we are whole-heartedly in, and play a full part in the new state, or we are out and attempt to rebuild our national determination under the jurisdiction of a duly elected and accountable Westminster government.
In a speech delivered in 1964 Ronald Reagan touched on a basic theme that has held true irrespective its reference to a specific point in time -freedom through strength, delivered by clear national identity and determination not to take the easy way out.
Concluding remarks of a longer speech.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbp0hur9RU&feature=related[/media]
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Last week, our useless government voted through an increase in EU spending, Britain’s share of which (not its share of the total budget, its share of the increase) would be £380 million. Not content with that, the EU parliament has just voted through additional items that would push Britain’s share of the increase to £880 million.
As Dan Hannan notes, "all the savings in welfare announced this afternoon, put together, come to £7 billion a year, yet, last year, we handed £14 billion to Brussels. How the devil did we get into this mess?"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100059964/while-george-osborne-was-announcing-his-spending-cuts-meps-were-pushing-through-spending-increases-that-will-cost-britain-an-additional-880-million/
>:( >:( >:( >:(
That's why I voted UKIP and would do the same again tomorrow.
I like the per household payment to and receipt from the EU per year in Britain. They are very approx
Pay £430. and receive £300. That gives a shortfall per household of about £130. It is high time Dave Cameron asked for parity. Only Spain out of the big EU contributors gets more than it gives. What do we(in Britain) get for the missing £130 per household.?????
As for prisons, thye sooner prisoners are "employed" or build new prisons the better. They could be self sufficient in food for a start instead of costing the taxpayer. In one US prison if you want to watch TV you pedal a bike generator to create the electricity you use.. Some good ideas.