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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 24 October 2010, 16:48:05
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Seven Romanian children between the ages of nine and 15 have been found working in a field in Worcestershire.
The children had been found picking spring onions. The spokesman said none of the workers, including the children, were adequately dressed for the cold conditions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-11615766
:o :o :o
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>:( welcome to the wonderfull world of the EU free labour market,and you wonder why people despair! >:(
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i'd rather they work in a field than pick pocket me up an high street :)
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>:( welcome to the wonderfull world of the EU free labour market,and you wonder why people despair! >:(
:y :y
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We shuldn't be surprised at any country exploiting labour especially the Uk where the sustomer apparently buys on price and not so much quality (e.g. the 10p or 1p sausage whatever it was!)
How else can the supermarkets make such vast profits on fruit and veg.
A few years ago, Mrs Varche and myself had a look around the plasticulture in Southern Spain (Almaria) . These plastic greenhouse complexes are vast - from the air they look like a giant lakes the size of a UK county.
This is where tomatoes and the like are grown for the North European market. The conditions inside are unbelievable . Not just the heat. The worst thing though was a lot of the workers were living in shanty huts in these complexes. No toilets but electric and water.. Next time you are tucking into a tastless tomato, strawberry etc it may have come from there. At least they are cheap!! :y
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We shuldn't be surprised at any country exploiting labour especially the Uk where the sustomer apparently buys on price and not so much quality (e.g. the 10p or 1p sausage whatever it was!)
How else can the supermarkets make such vast profits on fruit and veg.
A few years ago, Mrs Varche and myself had a look around the plasticulture in Southern Spain (Almaria) . These plastic greenhouse complexes are vast - from the air they look like a giant lakes the size of a UK county.
This is where tomatoes and the like are grown for the North European market. The conditions inside are unbelievable . Not just the heat. The worst thing though was a lot of the workers were living in shanty huts in these complexes. No toilets but electric and water.. Next time you are tucking into a tastless tomato, strawberry etc it may have come from there. At least they are cheap!! :y
I have to agree, Varche. I avoid Spanish tomatoes and strawberries like the plague. They taste of nothing, nothing at all. >:(
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Our tomatoes come from the garden, the green house, or Great Whitley
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Mine come in the form of pizza topping..
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Er, not spuds, but spring onions.
The thing is these kids were not kitted out correctly, were working for an apparently absent "gangmaster", were likely to be here illlegally (so no education, health cover) etc. and were basically "off the radar". I'm all for youngsters doing a bit of work fro a bit of money (I was a paper boy from the age of 13), but this situation is not the same. :(
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Er, not spuds, but spring onions.
The thing is these kids were not kitted out correctly, were working for an apparently absent "gangmaster", were likely to be here illlegally (so no education, health cover) etc. and were basically "off the radar". I'm all for youngsters doing a bit of work fro a bit of money (I was a paper boy from the age of 13), but this situation is not the same. :(
I was obviously too subtle, I do not normally like to get into these political arguments where many people seem to have no understanding of what they are saying......
I was being tongue in cheek, or trying to be.. ::)
If British workers worked on these farms the we would not need people of an alternative culture..
Kids working, not correctly protected, The Land Owner is responsible but as some big wig it will not be his fault...... >:( >:( >:(
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Er, not spuds, but spring onions.
The thing is these kids were not kitted out correctly, were working for an apparently absent "gangmaster", were likely to be here illlegally (so no education, health cover) etc. and were basically "off the radar". I'm all for youngsters doing a bit of work fro a bit of money (I was a paper boy from the age of 13), but this situation is not the same. :(
I was obviously too subtle, I do not normally like to get into these political arguments where many people seem to have no understanding of what they are saying......
I was being tongue in cheek, or trying to be.. ::)
If British workers worked on these farms the we would not need people of an alternative culture..
Kids working, not correctly protected, The Land Owner is responsible but as some big wig it will not be his fault...... >:( >:( >:(
Fair do's Vamps ( :y), but it does make you wonder what conditions these immigrants live in...and how much they were being paid. I would not allow Miss Nickbat to work for hours in the cold, inappropriately dressed, picking spring onions for a pittance. Ergo, would any British kid accept the offer of employment?
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Er, not spuds, but spring onions.
The thing is these kids were not kitted out correctly, were working for an apparently absent "gangmaster", were likely to be here illlegally (so no education, health cover) etc. and were basically "off the radar". I'm all for youngsters doing a bit of work fro a bit of money (I was a paper boy from the age of 13), but this situation is not the same. :(
I was obviously too subtle, I do not normally like to get into these political arguments where many people seem to have no understanding of what they are saying......
I was being tongue in cheek, or trying to be.. ::)
If British workers worked on these farms the we would not need people of an alternative culture..
Kids working, not correctly protected, The Land Owner is responsible but as some big wig it will not be his fault...... >:( >:( >:(
Fair do's Vamps ( :y), but it does make you wonder what conditions these immigrants live in...and how much they were being paid. I would not allow Miss Nickbat to work for hours in the cold, inappropriately dressed, picking spring onions for a pittance. Ergo, would any British kid accept the offer of employment?
I have a pretty good understanding of how, and the conditions, other people live.................. :y :-X :-X
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
Well I am 53 years old and this seems to have always been the case so I am not sure you can blame the last government......
Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
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All part of the same problem/ mentality imo Vamps.
You are right in what you say that there have always been benifit abusers, but imo it is now on a much bigger scale altogether than it used to be.
The question still remains though, if the British are too lazy to pick spuds etc. who was picking them before the mass influx of immigrants in recent years? ;)
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
Well I am 53 years old and this seems to have always been the case so I am not sure you can blame the last government......
Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
I know of that in the 60's no idea who was in government....... :-X
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Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't... If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers... It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields.
The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.
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Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?
To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill. Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for, 6 weeks 28 days!!. ;) ;)
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Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?
To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill. Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for, 6 weeks 28 days!!. ;) ;)
That's not what Vamps said.. did he steer me wrong? :(
(And I don't know.. the idea of being medicated up to the eyeballs so you don't know what day of the week it is, and no longer having to worry about work/life/the future/the past? That's quite appealing, if you ask me.. probably an inaccurate view of modern mental care, mind)
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't... If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers... It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields.
The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.
Fair point No.1
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies
Fair point No.2
The previous government are/---------/ to blaim for this situation
Fair point No.3
as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't... If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers... It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields.
The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.
I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!!
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't... If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers... It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields.
The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.
I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!!
The british Equal Opportunities laws are a joke, they will nearly always go with the minority as they are based on early sexism acts...
You will also find that trying to get work as a british person in many other european countries, even if you are fluent in the language of the country. Even taking residency in some European countries, you have to show that you can self support yourself AND be fluent in the language of the country...
I don't dispute that there are many able bodied people sitting lounging on benefits, but, there are large numbers of people who purely are unable to get the work, who are willing hard workers...
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Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?
To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill. Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for, 6 weeks 28 days!!. ;) ;)
That's not what Vamps said.. did he steer me wrong? :(
(And I don't know.. the idea of being medicated up to the eyeballs so you don't know what day of the week it is, and no longer having to worry about work/life/the future/the past? That's quite appealing, if you ask me.. probably an inaccurate view of modern mental care, mind)
No, because most mental health patients are aware of what is going on, and are very worried, even scared, of what is going to happen next, or not :( They feel pain, anxiety, and fear just as everyone else does, but have aweful other effects on their mind which can distort everything for a period of time, or permanently, making their pain accutely worse :'(
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As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant.... :y
If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there.................... >:( >:( >:(
Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo. :y
The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't... If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers... It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields.
The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.
I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!!
The british Equal Opportunities laws are a joke, they will nearly always go with the minority as they are based on early sexism acts...
You will also find that trying to get work as a british person in many other european countries, even if you are fluent in the language of the country. Even taking residency in some European countries, you have to show that you can self support yourself AND be fluent in the language of the country...I don't dispute that there are many able bodied people sitting lounging on benefits, but, there are large numbers of people who purely are unable to get the work, who are willing hard workers...
I can attest to that in Spain. Real jobs get allocated as follows. 1st to a family member or friend., secondly to other Spaniards and finally to foreigners. If you get a job it will be temp status so you can be let go with no costs. Spain needed a lot of labour during the last ten years and actaully actively and financially encouraged immigration from anyone who spoke Spanish and was prepared to work. Those people found work in agriculture and building. Now they have no work following the total collapse of building industry. They are being offered a 1000 euros a head to clear off back home! A lot cannot as they are in negative equity with flats etc they bought.
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So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/ ;)
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So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/ ;)
not.. cheap labour.. system..
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Agreed, but also when your former electorate have bought their homes from the state, bought themselves shares in the companies which used to be owned by the state, started small businesses and made themselves a few quid, you are suddenly left with a lot less support than you used to have ( as a socialist party), so you import yourself a new poor, working class.
A big help when it comes to getting re- elected. And it worked for a while. ;)
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So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/ ;)
I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..
Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.
You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..) ;)
'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)
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I think it's as someone has already said. What was the norm a generation ago is a casr for social services now. As kids we used to pick spuds, apples, catch, kill & pluck chooks, paper rounds, milk rounds, golf caddying & anything we could do to turn a coin. It's a sad sign of the times that our precious little offspring have to be wrapped in cotton wool lest they get a splinter & thier parents get imprisoned for child neglect & is why they expect everything for nothing, hardly thier fault really.
One of the good things to come from being an old duffer is the fact i actually have a childhood to look back on which resulted in a work ethic. Once again this goes back to the non job do gooders who have no hands on experience of anything but have been issued with a pamphlet, watched a DVD So now know what's best for all of us.
Everyone's an expert. Those of us who simply get on with things & have done all our lives could really do without such folk. ::) :y
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So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/ ;)
I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..
Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.
You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..) ;)
'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)
;D ;D
interesting point of view.. :y
the reason behind this cultural "education" is to broaden trade and all other things.. which was the initial aim.. and in one way or another its achieved ..
and without doubt there are more English speaking foreigners on the world than the citizens on the Britain ;D :y
ps: I dont count Usa ..
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I think it's as someone has already said. What was the norm a generation ago is a casr for social services now. As kids we used to pick spuds, apples, catch, kill & pluck chooks, paper rounds, milk rounds, golf caddying & anything we could do to turn a coin. It's a sad sign of the times that our precious little offspring have to be wrapped in cotton wool lest they get a splinter & thier parents get imprisoned for child neglect & is why they expect everything for nothing, hardly thier fault really.
One of the good things to come from being an old duffer is the fact i actually have a childhood to look back on which resulted in a work ethic. Once again this goes back to the non job do gooders who have no hands on experience of anything but have been issued with a pamphlet, watched a DVD So now know what's best for all of us.
Everyone's an expert. Those of us who simply get on with things & have done all our lives could really do without such folk. ::) :y
For me Guy, absolutely spot on!! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Don't worry Cem, nobody counts the USA! ;)
As for work ethic.. I'm only 32, but my first job was as a street sweeper in our village! A shovel, a broom, wheelbarrow and (luxury!) gloves were my tools.. not even a high vis vest for dodging the passing cars ;)
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Don't worry Cem, nobody counts the USA! ;)
As for work ethic.. I'm only 32, but my first job was as a street sweeper in our village! A shovel, a broom, wheelbarrow and (luxury!) gloves were my tools.. not even a high vis vest for dodging the passing cars ;)
:y :y :y
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and one more point, the boss will never say no to a British worker who can do the jobs better and work for the same salary .. :y
for the european countries and for here ..
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So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/ ;)
I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..
Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.
You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..) ;)
'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)
sorry if I confused you, maybe I didnt make my point very clearly.
I am aware that Libya isnt an EU member state and its citizens dont have an automatic entitlemnet to live in an EU country.
They do however have a legal right to arrive in the country and claim asylum, Their claim should then be investigated to ascertain if it is genuine or not. Italy simply stops them when they come ashore to claim asylum and immediately sends them back to Libya.
My point in relation to this and the UK was that god knows how many people have come here in recent years and claimed asylum. We all know most of them are bogus, but the contrast with Italy as very marked indeed. Once they arrive here the chances of them being sent back, after having been found to be bogus is very remote.
I was under the same misapprehension as you, I believed that any citizen from an EU member state had a legal right to live in another member state. So how is France getting away with rounding up Romanian gypsies and sending them back to Romania ?
Your point about overcrowding - I do believe this country is overcrowded. The roads/schools.hospitals and the rest of the general infrastructure is close to breaking point imo. There are schools in London with classes in which there are almost as many languages as kids in the classroom - for example. madness imo.
I dont think the answer to the countries problems (well not all of them) would be for me to move to mainland europe, but thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated. :y
Getting out of the EU would imo, go some way to putting us back on the right track though. ;)
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Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......
Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?
To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill. Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for, 6 weeks 28 days!!. ;) ;)
Not sure where you get that from but you are mistaken, I have been in meetings where there has been many tens of thousand of pounds in some accounts......................... :-X :-X
PS. I am talking 'incapacity benefit' no other, now called 'esa' or something like that....
Oh, and not 'sectioned' secure hospital place as an option to a custodial sentence, set by the Court....