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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mysteryman on 01 November 2010, 19:52:36
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I'd have preferred to see her discharged from a cannon. ;D
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I'd have preferred to see her discharged from a cannon. ;D
Boom! boom! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] O.K I'll get my coat ::)
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shame it wasn't in a wooden overcoat :y
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shame it wasn't in a wooden overcoat :y
The day this happens us north O the border will have a party :y
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I love that woman even more now I know it annoys STM0 ;D
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I started this thread in a light-hearted manner. Please keep the bile to a minimum. She is a heroine to a lot of people and I wouldn't like to be responsible for a slanging match.................................much. ;D
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
With your friend Sammy...please. ::)
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she's got more balls than anyone since 1997 :y
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
With your friend Sammy...please. ::)
Ah, you get those same 'How to enlarge your penis' emails as well then ;D
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
With your friend Sammy...please. ::)
Ah, you get those same 'How to enlarge your penis' emails as well then ;D
Yes :y
You can lengthen it by as much as 7". Trouble is, it's VERY flat ;D
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
With your friend Sammy...please. ::)
Ah, you get those same 'How to enlarge your penis' emails as well then ;D
Yes :y
You can lengthen it by as much as 7". Trouble is, it's VERY flat ;D
And too sore to piddle out of, let alone anything else. Maybe thats why I prefer a nice cup of tea nowadays.....
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Here you go Jaime. Pull the end right off it mate.
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shame it wasn't in a wooden overcoat :y
The day this happens us north O the border will have a party :y
Not as big as the one I will have if Bliar or Brown meet their demise before I meet mine. ;)
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
Looks like a three year olds been scribbling ;D
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I wonder if I can print off a large picture of her, then abuse myself ;D ;D
AGAIN???? ::)
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
Looks like a three year olds been scribbling ;D
If you'd mislaid your glasses and had old, shaky hands..... ;D ;D
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
Looks like a three year olds been scribbling ;D
That's because it is the scribbling of a three year old!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
I like a woman with glasses ::)
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
Looks like a three year olds been scribbling ;D
If you'd mislaid your glasses and had old, shaky hands..... ;D ;D
Best put your hands put to good use then ;D
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I think I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in 8 minutes 15 seconds....
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(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/Maggie.jpg)
:P :P :P :P ;D
I like a woman with glasses ::)
Yeah. Pint glasses. ;D
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I think I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in 8 minutes 15 seconds....
Don't forget to....oh. he's back already...
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I think I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in 8 minutes 15 seconds....
Don't forget to....oh. he's back already...
Yup, did I miss anything?
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I think I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in 8 minutes 15 seconds....
Don't forget to....oh. he's back already...
Yeah, typical bloke, satisfied himself within 3 minutes 15 seconds!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D
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No, this is Maggie, a women of Power and saviour of GB in her time:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/All%20Things%20Interesting/Maggie.jpg)
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pornography. Pure pornography.
You love her really TB :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I think I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in 8 minutes 15 seconds....
Don't forget to....oh. he's back already...
Yeah, typical bloke, satisfied himself within 3 minutes 15 seconds!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D
Jealous Jealous Jealous
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Tony blair was a big fan of maggie. ::) ;D ;D ;D
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Her's one for you Lizzie
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/d.jpg)
Go on......He's very sexy isn't he? ;D
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Tony blair was a big fan of maggie. ::) ;D ;D ;D
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj182/richierich1961/ABCD0003.jpg)
Now I'm feeling quite ill!! :o :o :o
The thought of that man doing that to a lovely honourable lady makes me want to throw up..........or throw something!! :D :D :D
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Her's one for you Lizzie
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/d.jpg)
Go on......He's very sexy isn't he? ;D
But he's a stiff now, and not in the right way Steve!! ::) ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D
I definately feel ill now!! :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Bring Thatcher back!!
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i fear only a wooden stake through the dried out husk of whats left of her heart will actually finish her :(
what time does B and Q open? ;)
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i fear only a wooden stake through the dried out husk of whats left of her heart will actually finish her :(
what time does B and Q open? ;)
This implies there is a heart in it and if there is wood is no good against stone ;D :y
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i fear only a wooden stake through the dried out husk of whats left of her heart will actually finish her :(
what time does B and Q open? ;)
This implies there is a heart in it and if there is wood is no good against stone ;D :y
good point ;D ;D
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
all the sheep on that dismal rock thank her ;D
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
and people wonder why this country is in such a state. When someone has the opinion that a death is to be celebrated like that, there is something very wrong with them. :(
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
and people wonder why this country is in such a state. When someone has the opinion that a death is to be celebrated like that, there is something very wrong with them. :(
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I agree with you manta and its not a thing to celebrate when some one dies so there are some crule peps out there >:(
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
and people wonder why this country is in such a state. When someone has the opinion that a death is to be celebrated like that, there is something very wrong with them. :(
Couldn't agree more. :y :y
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Yeah, typical bloke, satisfied himself within 3 minutes 15 seconds!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D
If you can't keep up, that's your problem.
:)
<grabs coat, then runs out of door, ducking and weaving>
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Wonderful woman......and a staunch socialist too... :)
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There is a pub in town owned by some ex dockers, they bought it with the paltry redundancy they got after the Liverpool dock strike in the early 90's.
They have a special bottle of champagne in a case that will be opened only when Thatcher snuffs it! ;D ;D Can't stick her personally but thought she had balls during the Falklands.
and people wonder why this country is in such a state. When someone has the opinion that a death is to be celebrated like that, there is something very wrong with them. :(
I quite agree with you Manta, it's a very sorry state of affairs indeed and reveals a disturbing undercurrent flowing in this country at the moment.
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Now hold on a moment, I stated someone elses intention and beliefs. They are working class men and were badly affected, as were many other industries, by her policies and beligerent attitudes towards the working classes. They have a right to despise, celebrate the passing of anyone they please! Unless there were more than 10 of them and it may be considered a rave under sec 63,64,65 of the public order act :).
I find it slightly amusing that these people have the nuts to publicly express their opinions and beliefs in such a way despite the touchy subject matter.
My own feelings towards her are she supported polpot,pinochet and to some extent the apartheid regime in South Africa. She is hailed as the saviour of our economy but are we benefiting from this now? I personally do not wish her ill but know huge numbers of people who would not shed a tear when she passes!
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How would these people feel if they lost a mother, or a child, and the people next door held a party to celebrate that persons death ?
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How would these people feel if they lost a mother, or a child, and the people next door held a party to celebrate that persons death ?
Exactly right Manta! :y :y :y
I am not ashamed to say I will mourn her passing when that comes as a fellow human being who happened to be a strident, determined, woman and became a noted Prime Minister in British History. :( :(
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Sorry Lizzie but in my book she is noted for destroying manufacturing industry and destroying whole communities who have not yet recovered from the effects of her policies.
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Sorry Lizzie but in my book she is noted for destroying manufacturing industry and destroying whole communities who have not yet recovered from the effects of her policies.
I could start a very long political and historical debate, but I won't! :D :D :D
I will just say that I do understand your argument as I know how her governments decisions affected so much industry, and I know me saying "It was the right thing to do at the time" will go nowhere with you and thousands of others! ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
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How would these people feel if they lost a mother, or a child, and the people next door held a party to celebrate that persons death ?
Not great, I have had some experience of that situation, I think next door is stretching it a bit though Manta ;)
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Thatcher is a "Marmite"sort of person......you either love her or hate her.
Some think she can walk on water.....others think she should be held under it....for a long time... ::) ::)
She destroyed the manufacturing industry in my opinion......I believe that once ......a very long time ago we actually used to make things in this country... :-/ :y
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She is hailed as the saviour of our economy but are we benefiting from this now?
No, we are 'benefitting' from 13yrs of incompitent finacial mismanagement, courtesy of New Labour
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She is hailed as the saviour of our economy but are we benefiting from this now?
No, we are 'benefitting' from 13yrs of incompitent finacial mismanagement, courtesy of New Labour
I should add, we need another Maggie to get us out of this particular mess we are in.
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She is hailed as the saviour of our economy but are we benefiting from this now?
No, we are 'benefitting' from 13yrs of incompitent finacial mismanagement, courtesy of New Labour
....in many ways "Blue Labour"... ;)
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She is hailed as the saviour of our economy but are we benefiting from this now?
No, we are 'benefitting' from 13yrs of incompitent finacial mismanagement, courtesy of New Labour
I should add, we need another Maggie to get us out of this particular mess we are in.
May God help us all.... ;D ;D ;)
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Is it really a good idea to have a mere woman running the country?
I'm not being sexist but......think of all the "inbuilt"problems.....Periods.....PMT.........HRT......mood swings.....and neuroticism..to name but a few...It's a job for a man.... :y :y :y
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I said I 'wouldn't like to be responsible for a slanging match' ;D
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Sorry Lizzie but in my book she is noted for destroying manufacturing industry and destroying whole communities who have not yet recovered from the effects of her policies.
In the interests of balance Wingman you should also consider – in terms of what went wrong with our once great manufacturing sector - years of incompetent Labour government, archaic industrial practices as solidified and maintained by successive, dubious and cynical unions together with their leaders and of course, the rise of more competitive manufacturing processes in the emerging economies of the remainder of the world.
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Is it really a good idea to have a mere woman running the country?
I'm not being sexist but......think of all the "inbuilt"problems.....Periods.....PMT.........HRT......mood swings.....and neuroticism..to name but a few...It's a job for a man.... :y :y :y
Optimist!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I bet your other half is not going to read your post! ::) ::) ::)
I know, you are trying to get me into a debate on Maggie? ::) ::) :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;)
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I love Marmite and that's as far as it goes!
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When she was in power I was young/naive/stupid enough to believe in Socialism, so I detested the woman.
I still believe that although she did a lot of things that needed doing, some of what she did wasnt done because it was necessary, or even due to idealogicol reasons. It was pure spite.
The unions and the miners in particular brought down the previous Tory Govt. of which she was a member, and she hated them for it and was determined to get her revenge. That moron Scargill ( and many of the other Union barons) gave her all the excuses she needed and she trampled them into the dust.
The result was the complete ruination of many industries and communities probably for ever, and the North of England and Scotland havent forgiven the Tories, and despite great efforts by the modern version of the Tory party, they probably never will. Her enforcer in chief was Tebbit, and even he admits now that they went too far in some respects.
The unions needed sorting out, they were on the verge off running (and ruining) the whole country, but I believe it could have been done with less collateral damage than she caused.
She did however put the UK economy back near the top of the world league and even today it still is, so we have her to thank for that. She gave working class people ( who still had a job) the opportunity to own their own houses and become shareholders - it really was a revolution, and much of it was a good thing.
She did however claim that she would reduce the tax burden, the burden off over legislation, and reduce the size of the state and public sector, and roll back the influence of Brussels - all of these things were bigger when she left office than when she came in. So to a large extent, from an idealogical point of view, she failed.
Having said all of that - I do agree that the country could do with someone similar to her ( but not quite the same as) today.
I wonder what state the country would have ended up in if Labour had won the 1979 election ? It doesnt bear thinking about imo. ;)
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When she was in power I was young/naive/stupid enough to believe in Socialism, so I detested the woman.
I still believe that although she did a lot of things that needed doing, some of what she did wasnt done because it was necessary, or even due to idealogicol reasons. It was pure spite.
The unions and the miners in particular brought down the previous Tory Govt. of which she was a member, and she hated them for it and was determined to get her revenge. That moron Scargill ( and many of the other Union barons) gave her all the excuses she needed and she trampled them into the dust.
The result was the complete ruination of many industries and communities probably for ever, and the North of England and Scotland havent forgiven the Tories, and despite great efforts by the modern version of the Tory party, they probably never will. Her enforcer in chief was Tebbit, and even he admits now that they went too far in some respects.
The unions needed sorting out, they were on the verge off running (and ruining) the whole country, but I believe it could have been done with less collateral damage than she caused.
She did however put the UK economy back near the top of the world league and even today it still is, so we have her to thank for that. She gave working class people ( who still had a job) the opportunity to own their own houses and become shareholders - it really was a revolution, and much of it was a good thing.
She did however claim that she would reduce the tax burden, the burden off over legislation, and reduce the size of the state and public sector, and roll back the influence of Brussels - all of these things were bigger when she left office than when she came in. So to a large extent, from an idealogical point of view, she failed.
Having said all of that - I do agree that the country could do with someone similar to her ( but not quite the same as) today.
I wonder what state the country would have ended up in if Labour had won the 1979 election ? It doesnt bear thinking about imo. ;)
Yeah ....I remember him ...good old "nasty Norm".... ;)
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The usual considered,well thought out response.
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When she was in power I was young/naive/stupid enough to believe in Socialism, so I detested the woman.
I still believe that although she did a lot of things that needed doing, some of what she did wasnt done because it was necessary, or even due to idealogicol reasons. It was pure spite.
The unions and the miners in particular brought down the previous Tory Govt. of which she was a member, and she hated them for it and was determined to get her revenge. That moron Scargill ( and many of the other Union barons) gave her all the excuses she needed and she trampled them into the dust.
The result was the complete ruination of many industries and communities probably for ever, and the North of England and Scotland havent forgiven the Tories, and despite great efforts by the modern version of the Tory party, they probably never will. Her enforcer in chief was Tebbit, and even he admits now that they went too far in some respects.
The unions needed sorting out, they were on the verge off running (and ruining) the whole country, but I believe it could have been done with less collateral damage than she caused.
She did however put the UK economy back near the top of the world league and even today it still is, so we have her to thank for that. She gave working class people ( who still had a job) the opportunity to own their own houses and become shareholders - it really was a revolution, and much of it was a good thing.
She did however claim that she would reduce the tax burden, the burden off over legislation, and reduce the size of the state and public sector, and roll back the influence of Brussels - all of these things were bigger when she left office than when she came in. So to a large extent, from an idealogical point of view, she failed.
Having said all of that - I do agree that the country could do with someone similar to her ( but not quite the same as) today.
I wonder what state the country would have ended up in if Labour had won the 1979 election ? It doesnt bear thinking about imo. ;)
A great summary Albs, and for me totally spot on! :y :y :y
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Thankyou Lizzie. I was advised by a friend recently that I should consider becoming a mature student - studying politics
My response was that I wouldnt wish to attend an educational establishment which allowed entry to people as dim as me. ::) :D ;D ;D...........besides I always hated school. ;)
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
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shut the mines
shut the steelworks
stopped free milk for school kids (what did they do to upset her ,,f all )
messed up public transport
messed up nhs
gave us poll tax
aye she was some woman,mad cow ,egotistic bun :P
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shut the mines
shut the steelworks
stopped free milk for school kids (what did they do to upset her ,,f all )
messed up public transport
messed up nhs
gave us poll tax
aye she was some woman,mad cow ,egotistic bun :P
1.Loss making, heavily subsidised
2.Loss making, heavily subsidised
3.Cuts had to be made after Labour's mess, and unnecessary costs cut
4. Loss making, heavily subsidised
5. Stopped great wastage
6. That was a mistake!! :D :D ;)
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Yes, thanks Opti, I slipped a year! :-[ :-[ :D :D ;)
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Yes, thanks Opti, I slipped a year! :-[ :-[ :D :D ;)
A senior moment perhaps...Lizzie.... ::) ::) ;) :-* :-*
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Yes, thanks Opti, I slipped a year! :-[ :-[ :D :D ;)
A senior moment perhaps...Lizzie.... ::) ::) ;) :-* :-*
Yes, and 1984 of course had a very special meaning!! :D :D
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Yes, thanks Opti, I slipped a year! :-[ :-[ :D :D ;)
A senior moment perhaps...Lizzie.... ::) ::) ;) :-* :-*
Yes, and 1984 of course had a very special meaning!! :D :D
I know what you mean.....I quoted 1966....for the Battle of Hastings the other day Lizzie.... :-/ :-* :-*
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If maggie was so good why didnt she do the Falklands war when she first knew about it Instead of waiting for the election? She also did POLL TAX .
All Politicians like the public because we forget very quickly..
I think A woman would do better BUT Maggie wasnt it
She didn't!!! ::) ::) ::)
The Falklands were re-taken within 74 days following the Argies invasion, and after she had determinedly ordered a Battle Task Force to be assembled. It had nothing to do with an election, although the 1984 GE victory was greatly assisted by the Falklands success. ;) ;)
1983.....Methinks Lizzie.... ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Yes, thanks Opti, I slipped a year! :-[ :-[ :D :D ;)
A senior moment perhaps...Lizzie.... ::) ::) ;) :-* :-*
Yes, and 1984 of course had a very special meaning!! :D :D
I know what you mean.....I quoted 1966....for the Battle of Hastings the other day Lizzie.... :-/ :-* :-*
What do you mean, there was a Battle of Hastings in 1966 Opti!! ::) ::) ::)
It was the Battle between the Mods and Rockers :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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The Falklands conflict was an interesting episode.
Before the conflict Mrs T was the most unpopular PM anyone could remember, her chances of winning another election were close to zero.
In Dec. 1981 argentinian scrap metal merchants started landing on the island of South Georgia.This was seen as provocative by the British, who formally protested, and many weeks of diplomatic talks ensued.
Strangely around this time, there had been rumours that the Royal Naval vessel,HMS Endurance, which had the task of patrolling the islands was to be scrapped.
On the 2nd of Feb. 82 Mrs T sent a letter of reassurance to a party activist, staing that there was a sufficient force in place to prevent an invasion of the islands.
Exactly a week later she confirmed that HMS Endurance would be retired.
On the 5th of March foreign secretrary refuses requests to send a sub to patrol the area.The next day an Argy Hercules transporter plane claims to have a fuel leak and lands at Stanley airport. Several senior officers are on board and disembark for a tour of port stanley.
Over the next few weeks there are more landings,lots of talks back and forth and preperations are underway for the possibility of sending a task force to the Falklands.
The Argentinians invaded on the 2nd of April. The UN, the EU etc put all their diplomatic efforts into overdrive attempting to talk the Argies into leaving, but they dont seem to be listening.
There have been a few skirmishes but little lose of life.
By the end of April the task force has arrived, a total exclusion zone has been declared in the sea around the islands and British forces land and start fighting the Argies.
On the 2nd of may the position of the Argy ship - General Belgrano - is reported to London as a matter of routine. Many reports have stated that it wwas outside the exclusion zone and heading away from it towards Argentina.
The word came back from London to HMS Conqueror, to sink it it.
It has been alleged ( but not substantiated afaik) that the Commander in charge, asked for the message to be clarified as he didnt believe what he was hearing. The ship was torpedoed, and approx. 350 lives were lost. The war really kicked off after this event, and a diplomatic outcome was no longer a realistic option.
14th June, Argies surrender, Falklands is back under British control. 255 British lives lost,645 Argentinian lives lost.
12th October 1982- Mrs T holds a victory parade in London.
9th June 1983 - she wins a landslide in the General Election.
A cynical person might think that she deliberately engineered the situation so she could have herself a war, fulfilling her wish to be a latter day female version of her hero - Churchill, and rescue her career at the same time. ::)
An interesting footnote to all this is that one of the ships logs from the Conquerer went missing after the war, it was rumoured that it contained info which would prove that the Belgrano was sunk in the full knowledge that it wasnt a threat to British forces.
A chap by the name of Commander Robert Green was suspected of leaking info on this subject to Labour MP Tam Dalyell, it was even rumoured that Green may have been in possesion of the missing log.
Greens aunt - Hilda Murrell was an anti nuclear peace activist, and on the 21st March 1984 her house near Shrewsbury was burgled and she was forcibly driven off in her own car.
Her mutilated body was found by local police 3 days later.
Tam Dalyell stated under parliamentary privilege that British intelligence agents had been sent to her house to search for sensitive material, but she came home unexpectedly and discovered them, so they killed her.
Im not a paranoid conspiricy theorist, and Im sure there is plenty of info which suggests otherwise, but its certainly a very interesting episode in recent British history.
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The Falklands conflict was an interesting episode.//-
-// Greens aunt - Hilda Murrell was an anti nuclear peace activist, and on the 21st March 1984 her house near Shrewsbury was burgled and she was forcibly driven off in her own car.
Her mutilated body was found by local police 3 days later.
Tam Dalyell stated under parliamentary privilege that British intelligence agents had been sent to her house to search for sensitive material, but she came home unexpectedly and discovered them, so they killed her.
Im not a paranoid conspiricy theorist, and Im sure there is plenty of info which suggests otherwise, but its certainly a very interesting episode in recent British history.
I enjoyed reading that son (edited for the sake of space only).
The upshot is - irrespective of the government of the day, the press, pressure groups, do-gooders and the legion of the righteous – etcetera, etcetera - the Establishment will always prevail.
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With few exceptions - very true uncle Z. :y
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interesting footnote to the Falklands War, in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941, only one US warship - the USS Phoenix survived completely unscathed and went on to earn 9 battle stars in WWII, it was decommissioned in 1946 and sold to the Argentinians in '51 where it was renamed...........
......the General Belgrano and so, having survived Pearl Harbour alone, became the first and to date only ship ever to be sunk by a nuclear sub - HMS Conqueror :o
fascinating history eh? :y
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Another footnote is that when the first British ship (Sheffield ?) was hit by an Exocet, a French bloke - cant remember if he was a politician, or a senior figure in the company which manufactured the missiles - said that it was a great day for France.
We signed a 50 year joint defence contract with France today. Funny old world aint it? ::) :)
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Another footnote is that when the first British ship (Sheffield ?) was hit by an Exocet, a French bloke - cant remember if he was a politician, or a senior figure in the company which manufactured the missiles - said that it was a great day for France.
We signed a 50 year joint defence contract with France today. Funny old world aint it? ::) :)
we've probably had a few british weapons used on our troops to be fair too Albs...........
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. :y
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I paid no attention in French lessons in school (nor any lessons for that matter) so Ive no idea what most of that means. ;D
Still dont trust em though. Ive never been there and tbh dont want to go.My sister has been trying to persuade me for years to go to her place in the south of France, but I would much rather go back to New Hampshire.
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interesting footnote to the Falklands War, in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941, only one US warship - the USS Phoenix survived completely unscathed and went on to earn 9 battle stars in WWII, it was decommissioned in 1946 and sold to the Argentinians in '51 where it was renamed...........
......the General Belgrano and so, having survived Pearl Harbour alone, became the first and to date only ship ever to be sunk by a nuclear sub - HMS Conqueror :o
fascinating history eh? :y
Indeed so BJ, a strange happenstance.
In any event history is, of course, a fascinating subject.
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Another footnote is that when the first British ship (Sheffield ?) was hit by an Exocet, a French bloke - cant remember if he was a politician, or a senior figure in the company which manufactured the missiles - said that it was a great day for France.
We signed a 50 year joint defence contract with France today. Funny old world aint it? ::) :)
we've probably had a few british weapons used on our troops to be fair too Albs...........
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. :y
Yes, there is a dreadful truth to both those remarks.
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..... when the first British ship (Sheffield ?) was hit by an Exocet, a French bloke ......
I can remember going to our messdeck on our training ship - HMS GlamourousOrgan in Pompey - at 'stand easy' and watching the news of that happening as though it was this morning. :( :( :(
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Albs, ref: Your summary on the Falklands Way - May I say a very good one that covers all the facts that we think we know :y :y :y :y
It will be very interesting in 70 years time to be a historian researching all the, by then, de-classified papers on the War! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Love Thatcher or hate her, you have to admit she was a strong woman with guts and ideas that were steadfast and she was definately "not for turning" on a lot of things she did. She was staunchly BRITISH and absolutely loyal to the core.
IMHO the like of her will not be seen again.
I am not a "Thatcherite", but get well soon, Maggie x
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Another footnote is that when the first British ship (Sheffield ?) was hit by an Exocet, a French bloke - cant remember if he was a politician, or a senior figure in the company which manufactured the missiles - said that it was a great day for France.
We signed a 50 year joint defence contract with France today. Funny old world aint it? ::) :)
However the Sea Harriers owned the Mirages