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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: aaronjb on 07 November 2010, 00:58:52
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Long-term jobless 'could face compulsory manual labour' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765)
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Sounds good to me, unless there is a medical reason then why not make unemployed work for their benefits, ther are lots of jobs that need doing. how long is the list? Why should you get money for nothing...... >:(
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wasnt enforced labour with no pay (or slavery) banned a while ago?
cant see this working unless people actually volunteer :o
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But they do get paid - probably the most generous benefits in the world. It wont happen though.It would almost certainly breach their "yumin rites".
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I think its a great idea why should some lazy git working the benefit system get to sit around all day when I have to work my ass of to ensure my family has everything they need and pay for him too.
Its about time, btw I have no issue with those genuinely medically unfit for work :y
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I've mentioned this before , but the Spanish system has a process where unemployed (lot of seaonal agricultural work) get their benefits by doing community work. Women paint bridges and railings for example.
Out in the country now our ditches are being cleaned and lined with concrete, the roads widened and so on. Both unemployed men and women do this for three or four weeks.
I think it is a great scheme. If your Dad painted the village hall you or your mates would be less likely to vandalise or graffiti it.
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I've mentioned this before , but the Spanish system has a process where unemployed (lot of seaonal agricultural work) get their benefits by doing community work. Women paint bridges and railings for example.
Out in the country now our ditches are being cleaned and lined with concrete, the roads widened and so on. Both unemployed men and women do this for three or four weeks.
I think it is a great scheme. If your Dad painted the village hall you or your mates would be less likely to vandalise or graffiti it.
Yes. And those that don't want to take part move to Barcelona and mug and kill people for their valuables. :y
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Completely agree Varche. :y...........also, if someone is on benefits due to the fact they are bone idle and then have to work for their benefits, they might just decide to look for a proper job, which pays more than benefits. ;)
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not just the benefit cheats and scroungers but also criminals should be doing this for there sentance, wearing clothes that show what crime they commited.
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not just the benefit cheats and scroungers but also criminals should be doing this for there sentance, wearing clothes that show what crime they commited.
i do agree with that rich. :y
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It'll never happen, too many people will be up in arms about their 'rights being violated'. As with anything else anyone tries to do ::)
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Well im out of work at the moment and have been for a while as i worked as a contractor there are gaps between jobs thanks to people from over the water coming over and taking the work i have a massive gap before getting back. When i was working i was paying sometimes over £300 in tax a week so does this mean i shouldn't be able to claim back £65 without having to work for it, as i see it i have worked and put plenty in. Its not that im lazy but the only temp work i have seen so far pays less then benifits, plus as we all know miggys are abit of a money pit ;D but when the job i do comes up i need a big car that can handle long motorway work and a seat that takes my fat asre ;D so i cant buy something cheaper to run.
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I e-mailed my MP on exactly the same lines a few months ago.
What prompted me was the shit over the road who has no intention of ever working.
Lets hope it's implemented :y :y
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Agree, basically.
I work for a pittance, probably entitled to some form of benefit, to be honest, butI dont want to claim, thats taking money out of other peoples pockets. Get them doing SOMETHING. Without going off on a hate tangent, we have lots of persons of foreign birth in this country, and the reason is, allegedly, that we dont want to do the 'menial' jobs. As far as I can see, it satifys the people who are ''sick of all these foreigners'' as well as satisfying the eople who are "sick of all these dole scroungers". Win win.
Until Cameron closes down the industry where you work and you go from working at BAE Systems to cleaning out the council estate's gutters. But by then he'll have a ginger wig and going "you turn if you want to, this lady's not for turning" and by then were all screwed anyway :D :D :D :D
There is, after all "no such thing as society" after all :y
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The Archbishop of Cantebury has already come out saying it will be 'unfair' and that, by way of example, "ex-offenders who've recently been released don't need too much pressure to find work".
Ah, those poor little ex cons, can't be putting them under pressure to do something productive instead of stabbing people or robbing things, can we ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11705937
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long long overdue!Been saying this a long time. When I was out of work having been made redundant I wouldnt have had a problem with it as it would have got me out the house, meeting other people and given a bit of self worth.Employment on such schemes might also improve chances of getting a "proper" job as attitude to work is one of the key things employers look at .Trust me, in too many areas even in the current climate you might interview 100 people but only consider about 4 for the job and this isnt about "experience" in a lot of cases as many job skills can be taught. How many of us on here personally know of those on benefits who do FA and have no interest in getting a job. Dont forget that ourtaxes fund their lifestyle. I believe a benefits system is vital and that includes unemployment benefit which has to be set at a realistic amount .However the Labour party's soft attitude to all this has brought us here. As for accusations of "slavery", get a grip please! There are of course situations where there simply are no jobs to be had in an area and so such people on benefits might be seen as being "used" and they also have to be mindfull that the jobs they get them to do does not take work away from others as a cheaper option. The New Deal of the American 30s cannot be seen as having been an overall success but using an unemployed labour force for housing projects or dams was surely not a totally negative move. Our situation isnt the same but you get my drift
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imagine you've worked for the council for 20 years as a street sweeper, due to cuts you're been laid off but fear not, the job is now taken by a long term unemployed and we pay them next to nothing!!! genius. :y
next plan please DC ::)
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Yeah another great idea from this bunch of millionaires and eton toffs who haven't got a clue how real people live. Even more brilliant idea when there are already 5 applicants for every job vacancy. So if your unemployed and have spent 12 months looking for a job that isn't there in the first place your going to be forced to carry out work that takes even more jobs off of the list. Typical warped tory thinking IMO.
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Well im out of work at the moment and have been for a while as i worked as a contractor there are gaps between jobs thanks to people from over the water coming over and taking the work i have a massive gap before getting back. When i was working i was paying sometimes over £300 in tax a week so does this mean i shouldn't be able to claim back £65 without having to work for it, as i see it i have worked and put plenty in. Its not that im lazy but the only temp work i have seen so far pays less then benifits, plus as we all know miggys are abit of a money pit ;D but when the job i do comes up i need a big car that can handle long motorway work and a seat that takes my fat asre ;D so i cant buy something cheaper to run.
It is for the long term unemployed - they wont say it out loud but its obviously aimed at those who have no intention of working. Get them of their bums, and give them a routine of doing something other than watching Jeremy Kyle. ;)
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Yeah another great idea from this bunch of millionaires and eton toffs who haven't got a clue how real people live. Even more brilliant idea when there are already 5 applicants for every job vacancy. So if your unemployed and have spent 12 months looking for a job that isn't there in the first place your going to be forced to carry out work that takes even more jobs off of the list. Typical warped tory thinking IMO.
I think there is more personal pride involved in giving something back to your community for the benefits you recieve than stagnating at home for a long period. Its common knowledge that people who are out of work for years become used to the routine of it, accept their financial circumstances and give up on their aspirations and ambitions. This might just go some way to help some people not fall into that downward spiral.
Dont see how the bank balance or school attended has a lot to do with the ability to take decisions. Most of those at the top of new liebore were privately educated and had eye watering bank balances - which they went to great lengths to keep quiet.
Comes across as inverted snobbery to me tbh.
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imagine you've worked for the council for 20 years as a street sweeper, due to cuts you're been laid off but fear not, the job is now taken by a long term unemployed and we pay them next to nothing!!! genius. :y
next plan please DC ::)
Should mean a drop in council tax (do you have that in Scotland ?) - works for me. :y
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gonna be hard work getting all the africans to work they only come here for the benefits
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Yeah another great idea from this bunch of millionaires and eton toffs who haven't got a clue how real people live. Even more brilliant idea when there are already 5 applicants for every job vacancy. So if your unemployed and have spent 12 months looking for a job that isn't there in the first place your going to be forced to carry out work that takes even more jobs off of the list. Typical warped tory thinking IMO.
My warped thinking too :y
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gonna be hard work getting all the africans to work they only come here for the benefits
Didier Drogba's on benefits? :o
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gonna be hard work getting all the africans to work they only come here for the benefits
Didier Drogba's on benefits? :o
no hes got a full passport now so his tribe can comeover
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This is by the tory party that not so long ago sold off all the countrys assets,British gas,British Telecom,British Steel,British Rail,to name but a few at Knock down prices to their pals to make a few quick bucks.
Never ever trust the tories,they don't know how real people live.
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Anyhow if the goverment didn't pay it out in benifit,they would only give it in aid to some thrid world country to launch another rocket,ie INDIA.
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They sold the shares to everyone - the general public included, not just their pals. A lot of ordinary people made themselves quite a bit of money from buying those shares. ;)
The companies which where privatised, made so much profit in the private sector that the tax revenue they generated for the exchequer was many billions more than they ever produced in revenue as private companies. ;)
P.S. Im not a Tory, have never voted for them and probably never will. :)
P.P.S. Do you honestly think that Bliar or Brown etc. had any more idea how ordinary people live than the current lot do ? ::)
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This is by the tory party that not so long ago sold off all the countrys assets,British gas,British Telecom,British Steel,British Rail,to name but a few at Knock down prices to their pals to make a few quick bucks.
Never ever trust the tories,they don't know how real people live.
So just tell us which politician we can trust ::) :-/
Labour where in power for far too long & ran outa ideas. We needed a change in government ;)
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I think that if John Smith hadn't had such a untimely end,he would have made an excellent prime minister and done a much better more equal country than either Blair or Brown.
Going back to the shares issue,I worked for British Steel so I got mine nil cost,but thats not the point that I was making,they were under valued,hence the taxpayer was robbed.
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Well im out of work at the moment and have been for a while as i worked as a contractor there are gaps between jobs thanks to people from over the water coming over and taking the work i have a massive gap before getting back. When i was working i was paying sometimes over £300 in tax a week so does this mean i shouldn't be able to claim back £65 without having to work for it, as i see it i have worked and put plenty in. Its not that im lazy but the only temp work i have seen so far pays less then benifits, plus as we all know miggys are abit of a money pit ;D but when the job i do comes up i need a big car that can handle long motorway work and a seat that takes my fat asre ;D so i cant buy something cheaper to run.
It is for the long term unemployed - they wont say it out loud but its obviously aimed at those who have no intention of working. Get them of their bums, and give them a routine of doing something other than watching Jeremy Kyle. ;)
JEREMY KYLE good god i would work in the sewers naked with my mouth open before watching that
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:y ;D ;D ;D
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I think its a brillaint idea. Up until 18 months ago I was self employed and earning good money but because of the economic downturn work dried up but I haven't claimed a single penny in benefits, its been hard sometimes but i've managed thanks to the forum ;)
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Pete,with this government in office we might see a return to the workhouses!.
Besides that I do agree with you about a change of government,they did leave the country in a hell of mess, open borders to anyone who wanted to come to the promised land of plenty,a war that was not necessary,and this stupid human rights law, anyhow my feelings run pretty high against the Tories after spending many months on the picket line,facing Maggie Thatchers bully boys.
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But if your honest, can you imagine what would have become of the country if Labour had carried on in government after 79 ?
I think Africa would now be sending aid to us, if that had happened. ;)
Not that I was ever a fan of Thatcher - I disagreed with some of what she did and agreed with some of it. :y
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If your fit and healthy but unable to get work and claim benefits.... they should ALL be made to do community work in their area. If they single parents with children in school on benefits, get them to work 9.30 til 14.30!
As for the hard core cons, ie murderers, rapists, child molesters etc, send them on a 6mth tour to Afghanistan and get them 300 yds in front of all our troops on patrol, doing mine clearing. If they survive the tour, they're a free person in our society, if they don't, thats a lesson to those back home...DON'T COMMIT THESE CRIMES!!!!!!
That will save our well trained troops and help clear out the overcrowded prisons... job done!
Wouldn't that put a cat amongst the pidgeons! :y
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Should have happened a long time ago .... however i cant see them actually doing it :-/
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The Archbishop of Cantebury has already come out saying it will be 'unfair' and that, by way of example, "ex-offenders who've recently been released don't need too much pressure to find work".
Ah, those poor little ex cons, can't be putting them under pressure to do something productive instead of stabbing people or robbing things, can we ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11705937
That didn't take long ::)
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Pete,with this government in office we might see a return to the workhouses!.
Besides that I do agree with you about a change of government,they did leave the country in a hell of mess, open borders to anyone who wanted to come to the promised land of plenty,a war that was not necessary,and this stupid human rights law, anyhow my feelings run pretty high against the Tories after spending many months on the picket line,facing Maggie Thatchers bully boys.
That was then, this is now :)
As far as i'm concerned they're all bent & twisted.
I'll admit that i voted Tory, but only because i was sick of the inept morons we had.
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I used to think that the only secure job in this country was a grave digger,but not so sure now,they can now get someone to do it from the jobcentre as part of his dole.