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Title: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 22:13:20
Albs got me to thinkin about other comparisons...

I have always been a Boxing Fan and Mike Tyson was my hero in the ring until his downward spiral... no-one whilst he was in his Prime could live with him and yet he was far lighter mostly than the fighters he fought. His speed and movement along with timing and his power created havoc....

20years before Tyson was the Master of the Ring, Casssius Clay/Mohammed Ali. His presence was just Awe Inspiring. His speed and movement along again with perfect timing and power blitzed the opponents.

My Grandad who got me into boxing as a boy loved Joe Louis. Now he yet again was Class, I have footage of all these old gladiators and still I find it hard to imagine or even to start to think who would beat who??

This question has been chewed over by Boxing Big Wigs for years but what do you think??
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 22:18:49
Mike Tyson
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHnL7wqtQLs[/media]

Ali
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvDok3kjB7c[/media]

Joe Louis

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sv1ph-Ecf0&feature=related[/media]
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 22:20:37
I honestly do not think there will be another showman like Ali.

I smile eachtime I see his clips, getting in his opponents heads ;D

The Greatest :y :y :y

But would he beat Tyson? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2010, 22:21:37
I'm no expert but wasn't Tyson just a 'street fighter'? Ali wore his opponents down with his mouth as much as did with his fists - a fantastic man  :y

I think many were as gob struck as me when they first saw the effects of Parkinson's had had on him.  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 22:25:39
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I'm no expert but wasn't Tyson just a 'street fighter'? Ali wore his opponents down with his mouth as much as did with his fists - a fantastic man  :y

I think many were as gob struck as me when they first saw the effects of Parkinson's had had on him.  :( :( :(

Tyson a street fighter... people say this but if you watch some clips and footage of him Andy and see this guy move he was something else.....
 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ulJmNVISs[/media]
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2010, 22:36:47
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.... and see this guy move he was something else.....
 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ulJmNVISs[/media]

which is the bit where he chews a lump off the ear?  ;)
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 22:42:52
Not there  ;D

It was Evander Holyfields ear he chewed disgraceful  at which point he was on the downward spiral >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 06 November 2010, 22:56:21
Ali all the way. The greatest ever.Tyson had strength and aggression - Ali had everything, including brains - which Tyson never had., imo. :y
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 23:02:11
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Ali all the way. The greatest ever.Tyson had strength and aggression - Ali had everything, including brains - which Tyson never had., imo. :y


Someone who agrees with you mate..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnz77QSu2HA[/media]
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 06 November 2010, 23:12:30
I should have said - he had everything, apart from modesty. :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2010, 23:23:29
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I should have said - he had everything, apart from modesty. :D ;D ;D

A fantastic man. He was so quick that when he turned off the bedroom light, it was still light when he got into bed!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 06 November 2010, 23:25:30
Just such a shame that he carried on for too long and ended up in the state he is in now. :'(
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2010, 23:30:40
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Just such a shame that he carried on for too long and ended up in the state he is in now. :'(

I think that for most of us, the first time we saw him anything like that was when he lit the Olympic torch a few years ago. A very poignant moment.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 November 2010, 23:57:21
Can anyone remember this? I have found it out from You Tube, my Grandad used to play this  ;D ;D ;D

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqMk-AuTDZE&feature=related[/media]
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2010, 00:03:26
How weird is that, I have just Googled this song and it says was released  21 Mar '75... the day before my 4th birthday  ;) :y 
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Banjax on 07 November 2010, 06:18:59
they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2010, 08:17:10
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they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y
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Good point - Tyson didnt have to take on the likes of Frazier/ Foreman etc. Just like Scumacher never had to race against Senna/ Mansell/ Prost/Piquet etc. A very important element when considering the greatest of all time in any particular discipline
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2010, 09:12:11
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they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y


Very good point :y I have thought the same about Rocky Marciano, I don't really know anyone he fought other than the Great Joe Louis but he was 40 odd and trying to scrap money together Great Shame :(
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: bigboykarl on 07 November 2010, 10:58:45
i am a fan of boxing as well ,don't watch it much these days as i'm into mma and think boxing has had its day and mma is the way forward... Ali was a legend ,but he didn't have the explosive power of tyson..think if we are talking tyson 86-89 tyson would take it...although alot of tyson's opponents in that period looked defeated before they stepped in the ring..Ali wouldn't have that fear...it certainly would be the fight of the century
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 November 2010, 11:20:02
Tyson in his prime was better than Clay......Even "old Enery"....put Clay on the canvas... :y :y
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Richie London on 07 November 2010, 11:25:29
greatest boxers of all time. sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler and thomas hearns.
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: mindaz on 07 November 2010, 11:27:28
two of the best are :
 Vitali Klitschko and Wladimir Klitschko  ;)
don't forget them
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 November 2010, 11:28:23
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greatest boxers of all time. sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler and thomas hearns.


......and let's not forget the great Joe Bugner .......Richie..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 November 2010, 11:31:07
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they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y
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Good point - Tyson didnt have to take on the likes of Frazier/ Foreman etc. Just like Scumacher never had to race against Senna/ Mansell/ Prost/Piquet etc. A very important element when considering the greatest of all time in any particular discipline


Half right Albs.....he certainly raced against these two... :y....and Prost too..
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Richie London on 07 November 2010, 11:31:09
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greatest boxers of all time. sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler and thomas hearns.

thomas hearns, roberto duran.  :y


......and let's not forget the great Joe Bugner .......Richie..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 November 2010, 11:41:33
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greatest boxers of all time. sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler and thomas hearns.



Now that was a great fight......Short for Mr Hearns....but a great fight all the same... ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2010, 11:52:32
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they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y
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Good point - Tyson didnt have to take on the likes of Frazier/ Foreman etc. Just like Scumacher never had to race against Senna/ Mansell/ Prost/Piquet etc. A very important element when considering the greatest of all time in any particular discipline


Half right Albs.....he certainly raced against these two... :y....and Prost too..
He was srarting his career as theirs were coming to an end - tragically early in Senna,s case. My point was that these 4 acheived what they did while competing against the others. Imagine what they would have acheived if any one of them (Senna in particular imo) had their career without having to compete against the other three.
Scumacher didnt have that much top drawer competition in his career (and none from his team mates) Hill had a superior car for a time,Hakkinen had a couple of good years in a good car etc.
The only one who could (and should) have rained on his parade over a long period of time was Jacques Villeneuve. He was the only one who reaaly got inside Scummys head and had him running scared but he left Williams and took his career up a blind alley, which he never recovered from.
I can still remember him driving around the outside of Scummy at Suzuka (the spooncurve iirc) and Scummy looking to his right in sheer disbelief - it wasnt considered to be possible. Nor was it thought possible to take Eua Rouge at Spa flat in top, until he did it. Even the team didnt believe him until they checked the telemetry.
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 November 2010, 11:58:16
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they both had phenomenally fast hands, I'd say Ali had better/faster footwork but Tyson had way more power, then again I reckon Ali would have Tyson beat before they got in the ring tricky one tho both at their peak they were amazing then again Tyson totally dominated the sport in his heyday, but Ali had much better rivals  :o :-? ::) :-/ :y
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Good point - Tyson didnt have to take on the likes of Frazier/ Foreman etc. Just like Scumacher never had to race against Senna/ Mansell/ Prost/Piquet etc. A very important element when considering the greatest of all time in any particular discipline


Half right Albs.....he certainly raced against these two... :y....and Prost too..
He was srarting his career as theirs were coming to an end - tragically early in Senna,s case. My point was that these 4 acheived what they did while competing against the others. Imagine what they would have acheived if any one of them (Senna in particular imo) had their career without having to compete against the other three.
Scumacher didnt have that much top drawer competition in his career (and none from his team mates) Hill had a superior car for a time,Hakkinen had a couple of good years in a good car etc.
The only one who could (and should) have rained on his parade over a long period of time was Jacques Villeneuve. He was the only one who reaaly got inside Scummys head and had him running scared but he left Williams and took his career up a blind alley, which he never recovered from.
I can still remember him driving around the outside of Scummy at Suzuka (the spooncurve iirc) and Scummy looking to his right in sheer disbelief - it wasnt considered to be possible. Nor was it thought possible to take Eua Rouge at Spa flat in top, until he did it. Even the team didnt believe him until they checked the telemetry.


Agreed... ;)
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2010, 19:25:45
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i am a fan of boxing as well ,don't watch it much these days as i'm into mma and think boxing has had its day and mma is the way forward... Ali was a legend ,but he didn't have the explosive power of tyson..think if we are talking tyson 86-89 tyson would take it...although alot of tyson's opponents in that period looked defeated before they stepped in the ring..Ali wouldn't have that fear...it certainly would be the fight of the century


It would be the fight of a Life Time Karl :y

Henry Cooper could hit but cut very easy. Clay/Ali could take a hit even if it meant climbing off the canvas, the only thing then he would punish you verbally as well as physically ;D I remember in some of the footage I have some boxer would not respect the fact he had changed religions and name, so kept calloing him Cassius... so instead of Ali knocking him out which he could have done at anytime he wanted, he battered him none stop for the full 15 rounds  :o :o
People have said Tyson was like Smokey Joe Fraizer but I really dont think so.... Smokey granted could hit but wasnt a mover... were as Tyson could hit and hard and move like lightening in his Great days.....
If Ali could prevoke Tyson and anger him (which I would not like to do ;D ;D ;D) then use the ropes like he was famous for maybe he could destroy him mentally????
If Tyson could catch Ali with his breath taking Power and Speed then that relentless killing instinct when his opponent was unsteady???

But although I am a Tyson Fan, I really believe in my heart of hearts that Ali would prevail... When you see the Foreman fight the size of him... you would have expected Ali to get killed, but he really knew that himself and so played his games... this in my honest opinion is what would have happened with The Great Iron Mike :y
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2010, 20:42:14
I agree Daz. I believe that Ali would nhave applied his intelligence and made sure he destroyed Tyson mentally before they even got in the ring. :y
Title: Re: Mohammed Ali Vs Mike Tyson
Post by: Radar on 09 November 2010, 22:54:27
I think Ali would beat Tyson because i feel he had all the skills to keep tyson at bay plus he would have got to tyson mentally in the pre fight build up. He also had a great chin - remember the shots he took from foreman, frazier and norton not to mention earnie shavers (sparring partner)