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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lazydocker on 08 November 2010, 19:35:16
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Currently sat beside the A12 waiting for the RAC. Sudden and unexplained brake failure, although I suspect a ruptured pipe by the way they failed.
I did consider trying to limp the 12 miles or so home but decided it was a bad idea ::)
Top marks to Suffolk Police though... Had an officer checking I was OK within about 10 minutes or so of stopping :y
Just got to wait for the RAC now... Up to 3 hours! :o :o
Exactly what I wanted after a 12 hour shift >:(
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What rotten luck Paul! Glad it was a 'safe' stop for you though? Try playing 'I Spy' or counting red cars, the time will fly by! ;D ;)
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Would have thought you should still have braking on one front wheel and the opposite rear ? :-/
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Currently sat beside the A12 waiting for the RAC. Sudden and unexplained brake failure, although I suspect a ruptured pipe by the way they failed.
I did consider trying to limp the 12 miles or so home but decided it was a bad idea ::)
Top marks to Suffolk Police though... Had an officer checking I was OK within about 10 minutes or so of stopping :y
Just got to wait for the RAC now... Up to 3 hours! :o :o
Exactly what I wanted after a 12 hour shift >:(
Sorry to hear about your misfortune! :'(
For next time though join the AA, with whom I have never had to wait longer than an hour; the last call out was just 20 minutes before they were with me.
Once had a new car with RAC membership; they kept me waiting 2.5 hours! Never again :( :(
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Would have thought you should still have braking on one front wheel and the opposite rear ? :-/
Lazydocker is doing the right thing though & waiting to be recovered. Not really a good idea to carry on with a journey when you know your brakes are iffy. :y :y
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Just got to wait for the RAC now... Up to 3 hours! :o :o
Exactly what I wanted after a 12 hour shift >:(
Can you not get your better half to collect you & go back to meet the RAC at your car when they're ready? That's what I did the other week when my tea was waiting for me on the table & my fan belt shredded - that was after a 12 hr shift too.
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Personally I would carry on carefully, but thats just me. ;)
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Lizzie - RAC is included with our bank account. To be honest, none of them are particularly good in this area.
Albs - Yes, there is still a little braking effort but pedal travels to the floor rapidly ad fluid is pumped through the gaping hole in a pipe so much reduced effort.
Never mind... Got plenty of water, fags and fuel so I can keep warm!
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Andy, could do but have made them mark it urgent due to my location an, like I said, not like I'm getting cold!
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Currently sat beside the A12 waiting for the RAC. Sudden and unexplained brake failure, although I suspect a ruptured pipe by the way they failed.
I did consider trying to limp the 12 miles or so home but decided it was a bad idea ::)
Top marks to Suffolk Police though... Had an officer checking I was OK within about 10 minutes or so of stopping :y
Just got to wait for the RAC now... Up to 3 hours! :o :o
Exactly what I wanted after a 12 hour shift >:(
Sorry to hear about your misfortune! :'(
For next time though join the AA, with whom I have never had to wait longer than an hour; the last call out was just 20 minutes before they were with me.
Once had a new car with RAC membership; they kept me waiting 2.5 hours! Never again :( :(
thats because the AA prioritize a damsel in distress Liz :y
have to agree - they are usually quick and reliable - not bad for a bunch of alchoholics ;)
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
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Lizzie - RAC is included with our bank account. To be honest, none of them are particularly good in this area.
Albs - Yes, there is still a little braking effort but pedal travels to the floor rapidly ad fluid is pumped through the gaping hole in a pipe so much reduced effort.
Never mind... Got plenty of water, fags and fuel so I can keep warm!
I had a pipe ripped off the underneath of our car a few years back by a rock. To start with there was some braking effort and pedal to floor but after a bit there was nowt whatsoever. So much for split ccts. I drove it next day to the garage on the gears and handbrake much to the astonishment of the proprietor - however that was out in the sticks not on busy roads. ;D ;D
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
I did... That's how I stopped! Unfortunately though, it isn't releasing properly at the moment and I also have to travel up a major trunk road for about 10 miles with 6 roundabouts... Not worth the risk IMHO!
Not too bad though... Just had a call and they're within half an hour or so now :y
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
I hope you mean handbrake & not a handbreak, as the latter might get you arrested for gross indecency. :o :o ;D
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1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and four vented disc brakes = a sensible balance. :)
1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and two moped sized drum brakes = a shredded moped brakes. :o
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Lizzie - RAC is included with our bank account. To be honest, none of them are particularly good in this area.
Albs - Yes, there is still a little braking effort but pedal travels to the floor rapidly ad fluid is pumped through the gaping hole in a pipe so much reduced effort.
Never mind... Got plenty of water, fags and fuel so I can keep warm!
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Essential supplies for such times, and you are right to stay put and wait, glad you are safe and good luck with the recovery..... :y
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1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and four vented disc brakes = a sensible balance. :)
1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and two moped sized drum brakes = a shredded moped brakes. :o
What is 1.7t 2 vented disc brakes and 2 solid disk brakes though :P
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
nope.. you cant brake same the other .. definitely not recommended.. I've tried before :(
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
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Good luck Lazydocker.. sorry to hear that problem..
saturday night I've lost one of the headlights even that stressed me more than enough :-/
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1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and four vented disc brakes = a sensible balance. :)
1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and two moped sized drum brakes = a shredded moped brakes. :o
What is 1.7t 2 vented disc brakes and 2 solid disk brakes though :P
Probably more sensible than 4 vented discs. If you want to stop quickly the rear brakes are mere ornaments anyway ::)
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1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and four vented disc brakes = a sensible balance. :)
1.5 ton car, 170/210 bhp (ish) and two moped sized drum brakes = a shredded moped brakes. :o
What is 1.7t 2 vented disc brakes and 2 solid disk brakes though :P
Probably more sensible than 4 vented discs. If you want to stop quickly the rear brakes are mere ornaments anyway ::)
Probably not, seeing as rear vented were one of the enhancements for 2001 V6s
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My "understanding" of dual line brakes is that the intact line will "hold" pressure and allow braking to continue to those wheels WHILST THE PEDAL IS HELD DEPRESSED. Once the pedal is released the pressure is released and the next application just pumps fluid through the break .. no pressure will build up as the fluid takes the path of least resistance..... ending up in a puddle on the floor.
Good decision to sit still and wait ... better to get home late than not at all :( and we would all like to have a beer with you sometime in the future :y :y :y :y rather than send condolences to your family :'( :'( :'(
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
I hope you mean handbrake & not a handbreak, as the latter might get you arrested for gross indecency. :o :o ;D
;D ;D
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I`m so relieved the brake failure didn`t result in any injuries! ;)
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Use the handbreak. That's what it's for :)
erse.... :P
Think about the children!! ;D
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
As I recall, hand/parking brake must be at least 16% efficient versus the service brake.
Worst (legalish) interpretation, hand brake will give 16% of the same braking effort of the service brake.
What would that 16% be, convertaed into stopping distances?? :o
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
As I recall, hand/parking brake must be at least 16% efficient versus the service brake.
Worst (legalish) interpretation, hand brake will give 16% of the same braking effort of the service brake.
What would that 16% be, convertaed into stopping distances?? :o
with a good handbrake, about a 720, and a pungent smell of rubber ;D
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
As I recall, hand/parking brake must be at least 16% efficient versus the service brake.
Worst (legalish) interpretation, hand brake will give 16% of the same braking effort of the service brake.
What would that 16% be, convertaed into stopping distances?? :o
With my MV6 handbrake, about 326 miles by my calculations....
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
As I recall, hand/parking brake must be at least 16% efficient versus the service brake.
Worst (legalish) interpretation, hand brake will give 16% of the same braking effort of the service brake.
What would that 16% be, convertaed into stopping distances?? :o
with a good handbrake, about a 720, and a pungent smell of rubber ;D
Wasn't rubber I could smell as I was approaching a busy roundabout ::) ::) :D :D
Glad the V6's have got some grunt... Managed to slow enough to miss the first car and had enough power to go into a smallish gap :y
Mind you, I did have to take the roundabout in a slightly sideways motion with all the recent rain ::) ;D
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I`m so relieved the brake failure didn`t result in any injuries! ;)
Only to my underwear I think :-X ::) :D
I'll be investigating tomorrow and (probably) be looking for a part of some kind ::)
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I`m so relieved the brake failure didn`t result in any injuries! ;)
Only to my underwear I think :-X ::) :D
I'll be investigating tomorrow and (probably) be looking for a part of some kind ::)
;D :y
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
You've been to mine... Would you fancy that journey at just after 7pm with no brakes?
I didn't. But to be fair to the RAC, the 3 hours was actually just over an hour and 3/4 so not too bad, for a "free" service :y :y
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[quoteOnly to my underwear I think][/quote]
M & S keep a good range, usually good value as in multipacks. :D
Good to hear you've been collected. keep us posted :y
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It's definitely losing fluid at a rate of knots! Hope I've managed to keep some in the reservoir as ISTR that air in the ABS pump needs a tech 2 to clear properly... Or can the "My Naff Code Reader" operate the unit?
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It's definitely losing fluid at a rate of knots! Hope I've managed to keep some in the reservoir as ISTR that air in the ABS pump needs a tech 2 to clear properly... Or can the "My Naff Code Reader" operate the unit?
The old cling film over the filler reservoir trick maybe?
I seem to remember "My Naff Code Reader" can operate the pump if needed.
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It's definitely losing fluid at a rate of knots! Hope I've managed to keep some in the reservoir as ISTR that air in the ABS pump needs a tech 2 to clear properly... Or can the "My Naff Code Reader" operate the unit?
The old cling film over the filler reservoir trick maybe?
I seem to remember "My Naff Code Reader" can operate the pump if needed.
I reckon it's a rear brake pipe gone... I'll find out in the morning
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Problem found... One of the metal brake pipes at the rear was rubbing on the hub and had worn through :o :o Proof that rushing a job has consequences :-[ :-[
Pipe now replaced but going to be a right PITA to bleed as the reservoir had emptied... Have done a quick bleed and pedal is reasonable but as soon as the ABS kicks in there is a severe wobble... Going to need a lot of bleeding before I can use it properly but it does stop now :y :y
Has anyone managed to bleed the ABS pump without using a Tech 2 before?
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Christ don't go with the AA, I found them terrible in the past, never had issue's with the RAC though :)
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
You've been to mine... Would you fancy that journey at just after 7pm with no brakes?
I didn't. But to be fair to the RAC, the 3 hours was actually just over an hour and 3/4 so not too bad, for a "free" service :y :y
Couldn't get up enough speed around your way to need brakes - as soon as I approached ramming speed, the engine spat its dummy if you recall ::)
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Christ don't go with the AA, I found them terrible in the past, never had issue's with the RAC though :)
Luck of the draw - I've had to wait 5hrs for the RAC to turn up before.
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In the last five years I have broken down three times here in Spain and the longest wait was only 40 mins. Breakdown insurance is compulsary and included in your renewal. I think the governemt take breakdowns very seriously. That is an area where a lot of deaths can and do happen.
The longest I waited for a breakdown in the UK was at Keele services. Over SEVEN hours. We actually saw the truck that came to us leave the services and come back to us even though I talked to the guy. Maybe he went to another job (must have been a quick one) but more likely he just went off to get a second callout fee!
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Problem found... One of the metal brake pipes at the rear was rubbing on the hub and had worn through :o :o Proof that rushing a job has consequences :-[ :-[
Pipe now replaced but going to be a right PITA to bleed as the reservoir had emptied... Have done a quick bleed and pedal is reasonable but as soon as the ABS kicks in there is a severe wobble... Going to need a lot of bleeding before I can use it properly but it does stop now :y :y
Has anyone managed to bleed the ABS pump without using a Tech 2 before?
That's funny, I fixed one just the same on Stuy123's old diesel when TG's mate's Dad had it.
Brake pipe had been replaced but was a bit too long and ended up rubbing through on the hub just like yours has.
Put the new pipe on then found the nipple was a solid blob of rust so TG ended up putting a fresh caliper on for him.
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Technically, the handbrake has to be able to stop you in an emergency. Sounds like it has done its job.
That emergency use doesn't mean start driving off again - the next slow down may be more urgent ;)
You've been to mine... Would you fancy that journey at just after 7pm with no brakes?
I didn't. But to be fair to the RAC, the 3 hours was actually just over an hour and 3/4 so not too bad, for a "free" service :y :y
Couldn't get up enough speed around your way to need brakes - as soon as I approached ramming speed, the engine spat its dummy if you recall ::)
Oh yes... I remember now! ::)
Don't suppose you're heading towards your mum's place this weekend? Might need some Tech 2 action to get the air out of the ABS pump >:(
Going to have a go bleeding through with the engine running but don't hold out much hope ::)
I know I kept saying it was about time I changed the fluid but that was a little extreme ;D :D
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Nope, not going to Mums this weekend, got her family over instead
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Good job you're used to taking said roundabout sideways Paul!!! :y
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Good job you're used to taking said roundabout sideways Paul!!! :y
It has been known to happen once or twice in the past ::) ::) :-X :-X ;) ;)
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Problem found... One of the metal brake pipes at the rear was rubbing on the hub and had worn through :o :o Proof that rushing a job has consequences :-[ :-[
Pipe now replaced but going to be a right PITA to bleed as the reservoir had emptied... Have done a quick bleed and pedal is reasonable but as soon as the ABS kicks in there is a severe wobble... Going to need a lot of bleeding before I can use it properly but it does stop now :y :y
Has anyone managed to bleed the ABS pump without using a Tech 2 before?
:o Hows that happened, lucky no one was hurt
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Problem found... One of the metal brake pipes at the rear was rubbing on the hub and had worn through :o :o Proof that rushing a job has consequences :-[ :-[
Pipe now replaced but going to be a right PITA to bleed as the reservoir had emptied... Have done a quick bleed and pedal is reasonable but as soon as the ABS kicks in there is a severe wobble... Going to need a lot of bleeding before I can use it properly but it does stop now :y :y
Has anyone managed to bleed the ABS pump without using a Tech 2 before?
:o Hows that happened, lucky no one was hurt
Had the caliper off last week and the pipe obviously didn't sit back in the right place... It's the only thing I can think of :-/ :-/
Was rushing a little though :-[ :-[
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Had the caliper off last week and the pipe obviously didn't sit back in the right place... It's the only thing I can think of :-/ :-/
Was rushing a little though :-[ :-[
Me too, as it happens. I'd better double check mine.
I must admit, I wondered why they used a rigid pipe there in the first place. :-/
OK, admittedly, the caliper doesn't move relative to the hub and the trailing arm because it's double-acting, but it's clearly going to have to be moved to service the brakes.
I guess the rigid tube saved a couple of quid over a flexible hose. :(
Kevin
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Had the caliper off last week and the pipe obviously didn't sit back in the right place... It's the only thing I can think of :-/ :-/
Was rushing a little though :-[ :-[
Me too, as it happens. I'd better double check mine.
I must admit, I wondered why they used a rigid pipe there in the first place. :-/
OK, admittedly, the caliper doesn't move relative to the hub and the trailing arm because it's double-acting, but it's clearly going to have to be moved to service the brakes.
I guess the rigid tube saved a couple of quid over a flexible hose. :(
Kevin
Easy to do and such a silly mistake but hey ho... :-[ :-[
TBH, the metal pipe isn't even clipped anywhere, just sprung against a rubber spacer which is incredibly poor IMO