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Title: cant believe this country
Post by: Richie London on 18 November 2010, 11:35:32
this is beyond belief that this country is now protecting this scumbag  >:( >:( >:(


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3233707/Police-guard-for-poppy-burner.html
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: tunnie on 18 November 2010, 11:56:35
but if the police did nothing, and a bunch of people broke in and gave him a good beating, the Police would be blamed for failing to protect and would probably end up being sued!

Damned if they do, Damned if they don't, at least this option was the cheaper one!
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Entwood on 18 November 2010, 11:59:24
Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a Court of Law.

Therefore entitled to full protection from vigilante thugs, who are just as bad as he is IMHO.

As someone far cleverer than I once said .... "I disagree with everything you say . but will fight to the death to defend your right to say it" (or something close).

It is our ability to step back and allow the RULE OF LAW to make its slow but sure findings that seperates us from the uncivilized bunch that this lot want us to become.

The vigilante attitude of some members of OOF worries me a great deal, one just hopes it is all verbal bravado and never turns into reality.

One cannot "pick and choose" which bits of Law you like or dislike .... you either obey the law or you break it....  :(
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: mantahatch on 18 November 2010, 12:09:00
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Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a Court of Law.

Therefore entitled to full protection from vigilante thugs, who are just as bad as he is IMHO.

As someone far cleverer than I once said .... "I disagree with everything you say . but will fight to the death to defend your right to say it" (or something close).

It is our ability to step back and allow the RULE OF LAW to make its slow but sure findings that seperates us from the uncivilized bunch that this lot want us to become.

The vigilante attitude of some members of OOF worries me a great deal, one just hopes it is all verbal bravado and never turns into reality.

One cannot "pick and choose" which bits of Law you like or dislike .... you either obey the law or you break it....  :(


I think and hope you are correct Entwood. I for one have thrown my toys out a few times, but with time and hindsight I calm down and nothing comes of what I said.
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: aaronjb on 18 November 2010, 12:56:42
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Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a Court of Law.

Therefore entitled to full protection from vigilante thugs, who are just as bad as he is IMHO.

As someone far cleverer than I once said .... "I disagree with everything you say . but will fight to the death to defend your right to say it" (or something close).

It is our ability to step back and allow the RULE OF LAW to make its slow but sure findings that seperates us from the uncivilized bunch that this lot want us to become.

The vigilante attitude of some members of OOF worries me a great deal, one just hopes it is all verbal bravado and never turns into reality.

One cannot "pick and choose" which bits of Law you like or dislike .... you either obey the law or you break it....  :(


I think and hope you are correct Entwood. I for one have thrown my toys out a few times, but with time and hindsight I calm down and nothing comes of what I said.

I wondered what it was I kept stepping on! ;)

Still, I also agree with everything Entwood said.
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: majesticlarge on 18 November 2010, 13:00:30
so now the police are being made to backup the people that wish to burn this country to the ground they want British soldiers to burn in hell and yes i know its not all the muslims that feel this way but what next lotto funding? Makes me glad my Nan and granddad past away as this would have finished them off >:(
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Psychoca on 18 November 2010, 13:05:24
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Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a Court of Law.

Therefore entitled to full protection from vigilante thugs, who are just as bad as he is IMHO.

As someone far cleverer than I once said .... "I disagree with everything you say . but will fight to the death to defend your right to say it" (or something close).

It is our ability to step back and allow the RULE OF LAW to make its slow but sure findings that seperates us from the uncivilized bunch that this lot want us to become.

The vigilante attitude of some members of OOF worries me a great deal, one just hopes it is all verbal bravado and never turns into reality.

One cannot "pick and choose" which bits of Law you like or dislike .... you either obey the law or you break it....  :(


Problem is, that we have lost the right to say "it" in many cases...  You say something negative about any religion except Christianity and Paganism (including related paths) is illegal and leads to a variety of punishments...  In Paganism, before divination is carried out before the public (Tarot, Reading Tea Leaves, etc) the words "This is for entertainment purposes only" have to be said...  Imagine the outrage should the same have to be said prior to a church service...

Sadly, the "do-good" brigade for cultural diversion will do a very good job in destroying the western civilised world...
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: geoffr70 on 18 November 2010, 13:10:19
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Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a Court of Law.

Therefore entitled to full protection from vigilante thugs, who are just as bad as he is IMHO.

As someone far cleverer than I once said .... "I disagree with everything you say . but will fight to the death to defend your right to say it" (or something close).

It is our ability to step back and allow the RULE OF LAW to make its slow but sure findings that seperates us from the uncivilized bunch that this lot want us to become.

The vigilante attitude of some members of OOF worries me a great deal, one just hopes it is all verbal bravado and never turns into reality.

One cannot "pick and choose" which bits of Law you like or dislike .... you either obey the law or you break it....  :(


Problem is, that we have lost the right to say "it" in many cases...  You say something negative about any religion except Christianity and Paganism (including related paths) is illegal and leads to a variety of punishments...  In Paganism, before divination is carried out before the public (Tarot, Reading Tea Leaves, etc) the words "This is for entertainment purposes only" have to be said...  Imagine the outrage should the same have to be said prior to a church service...

Sadly, the "do-good" brigade for cultural diversion will do a very good job in destroying the western civilised world...

Well said! The seem to want to replace our culture with a lesser, more aggressive, and more restrictive one that isn't as enlightened, inclusive and tolerant
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: jerry on 18 November 2010, 13:13:55
defending everybody's right to express their opinion is one thing, but incitement to violence iis another. Bottom line is , if these people really dislike this country so much but are more than happy to reap the benefits that living here entails-not just financial but also the freedom of speech laws that allow them to talk such s*hit-why dont they just f*ck off to an Islamic country of their choice, say Afghanistan, and see how much they like it there? Theres  tolerance and then there's just bloody stupidity  >:(
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Entwood on 18 November 2010, 13:43:03
The point of the original post, IMHO, was not about what/where/when they said/did .. but about the police having to protect them from "retribution"

My point is that it is the Courts who decide their guilt .. not newspapers/Tv/forums/pubs etc etc

They have been  arrested and bailed for their behaviour, they now await the Courts decision. They are therefore , at this moment, in the eyes of the law, innocent .. and have the right to such protection...  just as you or I do.

Whether or not their behaviour is acceptable or not is a totally different subject.
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Banjax on 18 November 2010, 14:25:26
Entwood, this calmly reasoned logic is all well and good but what the hell do I do with this warehouse full of torches and pitchforks eh? I was gonna make a killing (not literally of course)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Mysteryman on 18 November 2010, 19:05:45
I wouldn't worry too much. According to my sources, by 2066 white people will be in the minority in this country.
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: hotel21 on 19 November 2010, 00:47:12
TJF.......   :'(
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: Chris_H on 19 November 2010, 10:16:54
I have to agree with Entwood about letting the law do its thing.  However, the protection has almost certainly come about due to the Sun's inane stirring.
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: FoxyV6 on 19 November 2010, 10:54:15
absolutely disgusting, i think people who do things like that should be exported from the country. My granddad fought in the war and saw some horrific things, its like saying its ok to spit on these soldiers who fought to keep our country safe. and my nephew is out in Afghanistan as we speak, its an absolute disgrace. I dont see why we have to protect scum like that, he chose to do what he did let him take the consequences. Sorry that just made me so damn angry >:( >:(
Title: Re: cant believe this country
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 19 November 2010, 18:12:20
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absolutely disgusting, i think people who do things like that should be exported from the country. My granddad fought in the war and saw some horrific things, its like saying its ok to spit on these soldiers who fought to keep our country safe. and my nephew is out in Afghanistan as we speak, its an absolute disgrace. I dont see why we have to protect scum like that, he chose to do what he did let him take the consequences. Sorry that just made me so damn angry >:( >:(
Well said foxyv6,i say f**k em off back over there aswell. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(