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Title: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: millwall on 01 December 2010, 12:00:39
Sergeant Matthew Telford of the Grenadier Guards was promoted to that rank in June 2009.
In November of that same year, Sergeant Telford was one of 5 British soldiers killed when a rogue Afghan policeman opened fire on them.
His wife and family will only receive a Corporal's pension since he only held his rank of Sergeant for less than a year.
However, he was killed on operations by the enemy whilst wearing three stripes of a Sergeant on active service.
Please sign the petition below to support a change in the rules that deny a hero’s widow the pension she deserves.
http://soldiers-pensions.co.uk/?q=petition

Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantagte on 01 December 2010, 12:05:21
signed :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantahatch on 01 December 2010, 12:15:29
Signed  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: The Red Baron on 01 December 2010, 12:17:28
thats out of order.
signed. :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: bluey on 01 December 2010, 12:17:42
Signed
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Jim on 01 December 2010, 12:26:30
I've seen a similer case before, I know in this case its not fair but you have to do 2 years in rank to get the pension for the rank, it was the same for the Defence Attache in Greece who was assissinated in Athens 10 years ago he was acting Brigadier at the time and his widow only got a Col's pension, and the MOD would not change the rules.

If he was selected for promotion in Jun 09 and killed in Nov 09 he was probadly only acting Sgt, as you get selected for promotion and then you get 1 year to do the relevent course's to get substansive rank.

I would sign but current job forbids, sorry
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantahatch on 01 December 2010, 12:28:56
Does it take awhile for my name to appear. As I cant find it in the list of names ?
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantahatch on 01 December 2010, 12:31:41
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I've seen a similer case before, I know in this case its not fair but you have to do 2 years in rank to get the pension for the rank, it was the same for the Defence Attache in Greece who was assissinated in Athens 10 years ago he was acting Brigadier at the time and his widow only got a Col's pension, and the MOD would not change the rules.

If he was selected for promotion in Jun 09 and killed in Nov 09 he was probadly only acting Sgt, as you get selected for promotion and then you get 1 year to do the relevent course's to get substansive rank.

I would sign but current job forbids, sorry


I can understand the rules, they are no problem in peace time. But surely when they give thier lives for their country then rules need to bend.
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: millwall on 01 December 2010, 12:34:17
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Does it take awhile for my name to appear. As I cant find it in the list of names ?

it can do   :y    jim i totally understand what your saying :y hopefully though all help and petitions for our troops may help to stop the government stitching them up
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Jim on 01 December 2010, 12:35:28
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I've seen a similer case before, I know in this case its not fair but you have to do 2 years in rank to get the pension for the rank, it was the same for the Defence Attache in Greece who was assissinated in Athens 10 years ago he was acting Brigadier at the time and his widow only got a Col's pension, and the MOD would not change the rules.

If he was selected for promotion in Jun 09 and killed in Nov 09 he was probadly only acting Sgt, as you get selected for promotion and then you get 1 year to do the relevent course's to get substansive rank.

I would sign but current job forbids, sorry


I can understand the rules, they are no problem in peace time. But surely when they give thier lives for their country then rules need to bend.
I Fully Agree, I'm a Sgt currently serving, but if they changed the rules it would open the flood gates for lots of other claims.
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: skyblue on 01 December 2010, 12:36:54
Signed .... good find wall as this is disgracefull
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Banjax on 01 December 2010, 12:39:00
trouble is, they'd be open to hundreds of back claims from widows/widowers in similar circumstances....I don't know how many servicemen and women are within the 2 year "transition" period, but I'd imagine quite a high percentage - that said, give me a choice between finding taxpayers money for service pensions or bailing out bankers and I know what side I'm on :o
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: skyblue on 01 December 2010, 12:41:11
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trouble is, they'd be open to hundreds of back claims from widows/widowers in similar circumstances....I don't know how many servicemen and women are within the 2 year "transition" period, but I'd imagine quite a high percentage - that said, give me a choice between finding taxpayers money for service pensions or bailing out bankers and I know what side I'm on :o


Well said that man  :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Banjax on 01 December 2010, 12:41:19
p.s. signed  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: millwall on 01 December 2010, 12:41:50
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trouble is, they'd be open to hundreds of back claims from widows/widowers in similar circumstances....I don't know how many servicemen and women are within the 2 year "transition" period, but I'd imagine quite a high percentage - that said, give me a choice between finding taxpayers money for service pensions or bailing out bankers and I know what side I'm on :o


Well said that man  :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
seconded :y :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantahatch on 01 December 2010, 12:42:16
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trouble is, they'd be open to hundreds of back claims from widows/widowers in similar circumstances....I don't know how many servicemen and women are within the 2 year "transition" period, but I'd imagine quite a high percentage - that said, give me a choice between finding taxpayers money for service pensions or bailing out bankers and I know what side I'm on :o


I would def agree on that one  :y :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 December 2010, 13:06:07
I am going to be contravercial and not sign it.

To me, the rules are clear and adhered to.

We as a country are broke........and thats not the bankers fault....thats the last set of incompitent fools who ran up the debt and are using the bankers as scape goats to try to cover up thier mess!
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mantahatch on 01 December 2010, 13:21:48
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I am going to be contravercial and not sign it.

To me, the rules are clear and adhered to.

We as a country are broke........and thats not the bankers fault....thats the last set of incompitent fools who ran up the debt and are using the bankers as scape goats to try to cover up thier mess!


So how come we have offered Ireland a loan. How come we are still sending money abroad in overseas aid, and I am sure there are more.

Just a shameless push it back to the top really  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Nickbat on 01 December 2010, 13:33:29
Signed.  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: PhilRich on 01 December 2010, 13:43:50
All my family (6 sigs) signed up, it's only right & proper his wife gets an NCO's pension! >:( :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 December 2010, 13:49:00
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I am going to be contravercial and not sign it.

To me, the rules are clear and adhered to.

We as a country are broke........and thats not the bankers fault....thats the last set of incompitent fools who ran up the debt and are using the bankers as scape goats to try to cover up thier mess!


So how come we have offered Ireland a loan. How come we are still sending money abroad in overseas aid, and I am sure there are more.

Just a shameless push it back to the top really  :y

Becasue if we did not offer Ireland a loan it would cost us far more in lost revenue.

I for one would not be happy in my taxes going to this cause......sadly.  :-[
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Richie London on 01 December 2010, 13:55:04
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I am going to be contravercial and not sign it.

To me, the rules are clear and adhered to.

We as a country are broke........and thats not the bankers fault....thats the last set of incompitent fools who ran up the debt and are using the bankers as scape goats to try to cover up thier mess!


So how come we have offered Ireland a loan. How come we are still sending money abroad in overseas aid, and I am sure there are more.

Just a shameless push it back to the top really  :y

Becasue if we did not offer Ireland a loan it would cost us far more in lost revenue.I for one would not be happy in my taxes going to this cause......sadly.  :-[


so really all we are doing is getting back what we give them
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: henryd on 01 December 2010, 13:56:50
signed :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Jusme on 01 December 2010, 14:16:18
Signed..  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 December 2010, 15:13:39
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I am going to be contravercial and not sign it.

To me, the rules are clear and adhered to.

We as a country are broke........and thats not the bankers fault....thats the last set of incompitent fools who ran up the debt and are using the bankers as scape goats to try to cover up thier mess!


So how come we have offered Ireland a loan. How come we are still sending money abroad in overseas aid, and I am sure there are more.

Just a shameless push it back to the top really  :y

Becasue if we did not offer Ireland a loan it would cost us far more in lost revenue.I for one would not be happy in my taxes going to this cause......sadly.  :-[


so really all we are doing is getting back what we give them

Correct plus we dont use jobs in the Uk as a result to. Also, we issue bonds to get the money and as we are triple A rated we pay little interest on the loan, the Ireland loan will be at a higher rate and hence we can make a little cash on it.....if they pay it back  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 December 2010, 15:18:47
Signed :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: dad1uk on 01 December 2010, 18:26:58
Definitely signed :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: mrjimbo on 01 December 2010, 19:42:18
Signed  :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: jerry on 01 December 2010, 20:32:18
hear everything that jim says re floodgates,  and, sorry to say if it offends, but you sign up and you know the risks, thats the job. That said, put the job in perspective-their pay v that of mr rooney or ,as has been mentioned, the bankers, for example,then the sheer unfairness is obvious. To me, if he was doing the job of sgt, his family should get those benefits. We hear enough stories of how are soldiers are poorly treated as it is . Which is all a very long winded way of saying I signed too :y
Title: Re: Petition for Sergeant Matthew Telford. RIP.
Post by: belfast stephen on 01 December 2010, 23:24:11
signed