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or stop complaining the roads are closed.
Pick one please.
I'm sure the Daily Mail et al will fully support this as every year they seem bemused that summer tyres don't work too well on ice ;D
plus it would put an end to all the "why-oh-why cant we cope like sweden" bleating....errr.....because Sweden spend shedloads of taxpayers money on the infrastructure required to clear snow and its law to wear winter tyres................and theres something else........what is it........oh yes: THEY GET TONS OF SNOW EVERY SINGLE YEAR WITHOUT FAIL.
aaah - thanks - i feel better now :y
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It would be so much better if we knew it would snow every year. Yeah make a law, winter tyres compulsory, then watch everyone moan when it doesn't snow.
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logical .. :y :y
last year I spend 12 stressed hours on Bolu mountains (normally 1-2 hrs distance) because of one bloody driver..he didnt care the traffic police warning and tried going directly up hills without anything, skate , turned up side down and blocked whole traffic.. and other drivers also helped him with closing all available gaps\holes so , traffic cant reach there.. >:( >:( >:(
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and what about the suppliers of winter tyres restricting deliveries in order to charge extortionate amounts for them at the moment >:(
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and what about the suppliers of winter tyres restricting deliveries in order to charge extortionate amounts for them at the moment >:(
break their heads ;D :y
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every year here, even without snow, in november I hear the same story from tire shops, we are out of stock.. ;D ;D
thats a damn big lie.. >:(
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We're a long way off needing winter tyres compulsory. Start with the basics.
Get a reasonable standard of driving established, and drum some common sense into drivers - they do need to prepare for driving in this type of weather!
Most of the issues appear not to have been caused by roads that aren't negotiable without winter tyres but with accidents blocking roads.
Accidents are avoidable without winter tyres. Give everyone winter tyres and the accidents just happen at higher speeds.
Kevin
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We're a long way off needing winter tyres compulsory. Start with the basics.
Get a reasonable standard of driving established, and drum some common sense into drivers - they do need to prepare for driving in this type of weather!
Most of the issues appear not to have been caused by roads that aren't negotiable without winter tyres but with accidents blocking roads.
Accidents are avoidable without winter tyres. Give everyone winter tyres and the accidents just happen at higher speeds.
Kevin
Kevin, you have valid point there.. but its statistically prooven that winter tires drop the number of accidents.. Here when the snow falls traffic police forces you to put the chains on or you must have winter tires.. (but still you must have the chains in boot or they dont let you drive away)
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it wouldnt erradicate accidents, but it would significantly reduce traffic on the roads, and the traffic left would be better equipped - win win
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police can't check every car if carrying tyres but random checks may be possible or make it part of insurance whereby rd users have to prove they do have it, or do we have to depend on all rd users to be responsible and do the right thing, although there are many out there who will there are equally some plebs who will not. :-/ :-/ :-/
What's the answer????
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sorry mistake in first line of sentence (car) meant chains :-[.
My other thoughts are buy tyres where demand is low for these guys where price is low. However they nay cotton onto this play eventually and begin to price accordingly :( :(.
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police can't check every car if carrying tyres but random checks may be possible or make it part of insurance whereby rd users have to prove they do have it, or do we have to depend on all rd users to be responsible and do the right thing, although there are many out there who will there are equally some plebs who will not. :-/ :-/ :-/
What's the answer????
they do when the snow starts to fall, and if you dont have them when the police made a check you are in trouble.. :-/
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thanks. :)
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Hold up, we have read this thread wrong, looks like we all have to "wear" a Michelin suit. :-X
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Do winter tyres wear out if used in normal conditions, or are they for snow driving. :y
If only for snow...you want us to spend about 4 to 5 hundred quid on tyres to drive in the snow, when around here, in the south, most of the snow is cleared from the roads within a day.
I just don't use the car for a day. :y
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Do winter tyres wear out if used in normal conditions, or are they for snow driving. :y
If only for snow...you want us to spend about 4 to 5 hundred quid on tyres to drive in the snow, when around here, in the south, most of the snow is cleared from the roads within a day.
I just don't use the car for a day. :y
nope.. I use 5 months every year of which about 20-40 days of snow (which roads are cleared after some days) and 30-40 days of rain and the remaining days dry.. and generally they last about 4-5 years .. of course the 4-5th year their performance degrades..
also must note that winter tires are designed for low temperatures , however I generally use them below 17-18 celcius and no probs for many years
only limitation is that dont try breaking speed records with them ;D (dont pass 60 mph or they will wear faster than normal tires)
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See, even now the major roads are clear, although my cul de sac is well covered in snow, I can guarantee the avg speed on the motorway is above 60 on the m4 in fact normal driving would be in operation almost. Ie 56 for trucks and about 60 in lane1 for cars, lane 2 will be about 70 and 3 will be 80 to 90 odd in some cases.
Personally my commute is 80% motorway at off peak times. So sitting at speeds below 60 is never going to happen as a rule. Unless there's an incident or a bizzard is happening at that moment.
Winter tyres will last about a month, No?
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See, even now the major roads are clear, although my cul de sac is well covered in snow, I can guarantee the avg speed on the motorway is above 60 on the m4 in fact normal driving would be in operation almost. Ie 56 for trucks and about 60 in lane1 for cars, lane 2 will be about 70 and 3 will be 80 to 90 odd in some cases.
Personally my commute is 80% motorway at off peak times. So sitting at speeds below 60 is never going to happen as a rule. Unless there's an incident or a bizzard is happening at that moment.
Winter tyres will last about a month, No?
nope.. They will last 4-5 years as I'm not a slow driver.. ;D
as the olds say, do what I say dont do what I do ;D ;D
and one note : they will make some noise ;D especially the real "ice" type..
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police can't check every car if carrying tyres but random checks may be possible or make it part of insurance whereby rd users have to prove they do have it, or do we have to depend on all rd users to be responsible and do the right thing, although there are many out there who will there are equally some plebs who will not. :-/ :-/ :-/
What's the answer????
they do when the snow starts to fall, and if you dont have them when the police made a check you are in trouble.. :-/
problem solved - use them if you're driving in snow or sub zero temps, or drive in your summer tyres, but risk points if you're caught in the wrong boots :y
eventually, like drink driving it'll be consigned to a few idiots and become the norm, plus if it never snows you'd never use them - i dont see the harm, OK its a bit of hassle but if the tyres last 4 yrs or so then its not that expensive, say £80 a corner, plus another £40 to fit them in winter/take them off in summer (about a £2 a week, just forgo one coffee a week, or 6 fags or half a pint) :y
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I think the socialists that we've just got rid of made far too many laws, and making more is the last thing we want to do.
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I think the socialists that we've just got rid of made far too many laws, and making more is the last thing we want to do.
tottally agree :y why should i have to have winter tyres if the roads are bad i dont use the car and lets be fair most of the problems in this weather is down to driver not vehicle
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Get a reasonable standard of driving established, and drum some common sense into drivers - they do need to prepare for driving in this type of weather!
Kevin
I honestly think we're a long, long way of that one as well K.
This country will have to suffer from the ascendant droogs for the foreseeable future.
It's akin to trying to stop a leviathan - there's just too many of them.
Personally I'd nut one in ten found committing any offence which a modicum of common sense would have prevented.
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
Bear in mind that salt/grit has no direct effect on snow - different story with ice - and needs wheel/foot movement to churn it into slush which is easier to get thrown to the side and thus clear roads.
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
sooner or later they will see the point that salts damage the asphalt and they will give up.. in fact its not a solution..although it will melt the snow and ice in the day time , when the night arrives and temperatures go minus (meanwhile salt concentration lowers also) it will be ice again..
all of these are tried in snowy countries and laws are arranged according to..
either 1 day or 1 month or 5 months is the same in my opinion.. snow is snow and will risk you and your families life..you ignore it or find a solution.. :-/
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I think the socialists that we've just got rid of made far too many laws, and making more is the last thing we want to do.
tottally agree :y why should i have to have winter tyres if the roads are bad i dont use the car and lets be fair most of the problems in this weather is down to driver not vehicle
for how many days .. :-/
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I think the socialists that we've just got rid of made far too many laws, and making more is the last thing we want to do.
tottally agree :y why should i have to have winter tyres if the roads are bad i dont use the car and lets be fair most of the problems in this weather is down to driver not vehicle
for how many days .. :-/
i dont use it at all in bad weather my mrs has a 4x4 which copes with the snow no problem and unless its really important i wont use the 4x4 either :y
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
Ah, yes well you say that Psychoca, don't get me wrong, I'm normally one of the first to start pointing out the failings of the authorities, especially my local labour one.
However, I have seen and heard all these people on the news etc complaining about the state of the roads and the authorities alleged failings with regard to salt acquisition, distribution and spreading. I've even heard stories of people abusing the gritter drivers whilst they're at work.
What I would say to them is the authorities do what they can with the resources they have, and yes sometimes they get caught out like the rest of us. I think it's wrong for people to expect all roads to be totally clear after a heavy fall of snow.
It's nature, one force we cannot stop or control, and the fact that lots of people are complaining about the authorities just shows the culture we have in Britain of a lack or personal responsibility, expecting someone else to do it and a blame culture. Why don't residents clear the snow in their own street?
God help us if there was real problems.
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i'm on the hunt for a full set of alloys with winters for mine, to be kept as spares
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God help us if there was real problems.
That's the one. :y
This country is woefully unprepared for any cohesive response to widespread disruption of any sort.
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The situation in Germany would possibly suit us better then. While not a legal requirement there are a lot of incentives to drive in Winter with winter tyres on. Firstly if you get stuck in winter with summer tyres on the police will charge you getting you out. Also if you have an accident in winter with sumer tyres on you stand a good chance of bearing the full blame unless you have winter tyres on, esp if having summer tyres on contributed to the accident.
If the police see you with summer tyres on in winter they cant and wont do anything about it, until it becomes a contributing factor in an incident. So while it is not compulsory it makes bloody good sense to have winter tyres :y
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
Ah, yes well you say that Psychoca, don't get me wrong, I'm normally one of the first to start pointing out the failings of the authorities, especially my local labour one.
However, I have seen and heard all these people on the news etc complaining about the state of the roads and the authorities alleged failings with regard to salt acquisition, distribution and spreading. I've even heard stories of people abusing the gritter drivers whilst they're at work.
What I would say to them is the authorities do what they can with the resources they have, and yes sometimes they get caught out like the rest of us. I think it's wrong for people to expect all roads to be totally clear after a heavy fall of snow.
It's nature, one force we cannot stop or control, and the fact that lots of people are complaining about the authorities just shows the culture we have in Britain of a lack or personal responsibility, expecting someone else to do it and a blame culture. Why don't residents clear the snow in their own street?
God help us if there was real problems.
Sadly, in general there is a lack of community spirit that would allow such a task to happen... The other sad issue is that people are scared of being sued should someone have an accident on an area of snow that they have cleared...
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We only get a few days each year where the temparatures and conditions really warrant a use for Winter tyres across the majority of the UK. I accept in some parts, that they may be practical, but in the main, they are simply an unwarranted expense.
I accept that they function better on the wet and slippery roads in the lower temparatures, but, the Highway code states that we should drive according to the road conditions, so, additional braking distances and perhaps reduced speed is more practical...
The big issue is that the authorities should be handling the salting/gritting in a better manner...
Ah, yes well you say that Psychoca, don't get me wrong, I'm normally one of the first to start pointing out the failings of the authorities, especially my local labour one.
However, I have seen and heard all these people on the news etc complaining about the state of the roads and the authorities alleged failings with regard to salt acquisition, distribution and spreading. I've even heard stories of people abusing the gritter drivers whilst they're at work.
What I would say to them is the authorities do what they can with the resources they have, and yes sometimes they get caught out like the rest of us. I think it's wrong for people to expect all roads to be totally clear after a heavy fall of snow.
It's nature, one force we cannot stop or control, and the fact that lots of people are complaining about the authorities just shows the culture we have in Britain of a lack or personal responsibility, expecting someone else to do it and a blame culture. Why don't residents clear the snow in their own street?
God help us if there was real problems.
good point.. unfortunately my neighbours dont have this habbit and cleaning our road is left to my wife and me..
and when its compacted and turns to ice , they complain that cars do that.. >:( >:( >:(
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Sadly, in general there is a lack of community spirit that would allow such a task to happen... The other sad issue is that people are scared of being sued should someone have an accident on an area of snow that they have cleared...
When snow and ice are a problem; when I`m passing the village-elder`s houses, I stop, shovel and grit their paths and pavement....they`re over 80 years old, but despite them not being my (direct) neighbours I do it anyway, as it seems the 'right' thing to do...their 'actual' neighbours don`t even clear their own drives/paths let alone do it for the seniors! :o
I might add that my nearest neighbour has a barn full of machinery which would make light work of clearing local roads blocked with snow and ice (he even has a road-plough)...but he won`t help ANYBODY; he`s not above accepting help off others though. :(
I guess the 'modern way' (for many) is just to be a bit selfish and (dare I say it) lazy. :'(
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As said above, making yet another law will have little impact. There is a big enough problem with uninsured drivers on the roads, making it a legal requirement to have a spare set of wheels shod with suitable tyres will be ignored by a large number of people and will be very hard to enforce.
Instead, and again as mentioned above, make it demonstrably worth the trouble to get suitable tyres through insurance discounts and putting the onus of responsibility in the event of an accident on the person driving a vehicle not adequately prepared for the conditions.
I did once have an idea where drivers could rent winter wheels and tyres, but it hit a bit of a brick wall because of the huge range you would have to store. Although I suppose it could be done in a sort of contract hire way, so you pay a small amount each month and the boots are bought and prepped ready for collection when required.
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Its not the boots that causes the issues in the Uk, its the seat-steering wheel interface
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Its not the boots that causes the issues in the Uk, its the seat-steering wheel interface
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I see your point but i'm saying NO. We're dictated to enough as it is. It's driving awareness that needs looking at. I've struggled on with the Migs normal tyres & in the 66 Cortina estate, & an artic once i get to work.
Not fair for me & others to fork out on two sets of tyres that'll only be used for a week or two because some folk can't drive according to the conditions.
There's a huge margin between drivers & motorists. This is where the difference shows & i should'nt have to buy 8 new tyres to compensate for others inadequacies, they'd still crash/get stuck regardless of what tyres i'm running.
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I see one problem here, alot of drivers don't know how to change a wheel :(
As other's have said, it's not the tyres >:(
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Its not the boots that causes the issues in the Uk, its the seat-steering wheel interface
;D :y
I'm afraid we have lots of bad interface examples too ;D
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Like the old computing adage of .. PEBKAC - Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
I guess this would be PEBCAC :)
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interestimg point of views.. :y
but regardless of the interface quality we must not forget two main points..
1. laws of physics and nature dont care about your budget.. if you are heavy enough and boots not suitable you will skate and crash (if you are able to move of course) ::)
2. before worrying about others incompetencies,
first we have to clean our house and garden :y
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I see one problem here, alot of drivers don't know how to change a wheel :(
and they are prepared to wait ages for a recovery outfit to do it for them, often citing elf 'n' safety for doing so. :-?
As other's have said, it's not the tyres >:(
but the nut holding the wheel. :y :y :y
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Most people seem to be talking about difficulties in the snow, imho it is the compacted snow, ie, ice that causes the most problems, including black ice and M&S Tyres will slide on this just as much, as said educate the drives.... ::) ::) ::)
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Most people seem to be talking about difficulties in the snow, imho it is the compacted snow, ie, ice that causes the most problems, including black ice and M&S Tyres will slide on this just as much, as said educate the drives.... ::) ::) ::)
where M+S tires even skate , normal tires will fly ;D
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Its not the boots that causes the issues in the Uk, its the seat-steering wheel interface
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More than adequately illustrated by the following;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5eb_1292710094
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Honestly Cem, we dont get it that bad here. Its only really the side roads and even they can be negotiated if your prepared and drive correctly.
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear...... Words fail me!
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Honestly Cem, we dont get it that bad here. Its only really the side roads and even they can be negotiated if your prepared and drive correctly.
Exactly which is why most of should'nt be forced by law to buy 4 tyres for each vehicle. If i can get around in a 1966 banger then the rest have no excuse & the law should'nt come into it.
The irony is the Cortina demists the windscreen much quicker than the Beastie does!!!
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thats just the difference in the wet, you decide..
http://video.tellytube.in/video/8ncga6UxlHM/Safty-test-winter-tires-versus-summer-tires.html
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Honestly Cem, we dont get it that bad here. Its only really the side roads and even they can be negotiated if your prepared and drive correctly.
:yexactly no need for more silly laws
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Its not the boots that causes the issues in the Uk, its the seat-steering wheel interface
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More than adequately illustrated by the following;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5eb_1292710094
Ahh, the fount of all automotive knowledge. The fashion victim in a 1 series. :-X
Dressed appropriately for the conditions too, of course. ;)
Kevin
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Round here sadly the worst behaviour seems to be from kids or Audi drivers. Both seem to think they are invincible. Combining the two is potentially lethal, with some acne-riddled kid flying past my house yesterday in an A3 and falling off the road at the bend resulting in his front n/s suspension wrecked, while later out walking the pooch I watched the owner of a Q8 - for which I have only one question: why? - sit unable to move on a slight ramp to a pub car park that a girl in a Mini had easily negoiated just moments before. It's difficult not to laugh when you can see the driver of such an ugly, hideous waste of road space angrily stab at buttons and jump up and down in their seat. So I did.
That's being a little bit unfair on one brand of motor though. This evening I saw a pleb in a Nissan not bother to use their indicators before trying to turn right into a side road, causing two pedestrians to flee for safety and a Disco approaching the junction to sharply take avoiding action. When someone can't even do the basics correctly then how can you expect them to cope with unusual road conditions?