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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 21 December 2010, 10:02:27
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for about the 5th time in a matter of weeks, i just caught the sound of a Steam train going past my flat. Only looked outside window in time to see it way in the distance. (its quiter going past than the diesels ::))
It appears to be a regular route, it comes from the Reading direction. It then takes to side line near my flat and heads in the direction of Marylebone. Acton is last stop before Paddington. So its either going off to Marylebone, or its stored someware along the Paddington line, and its gone off to the Chiltern line to go North? :-/
Question, is there a time table anywhere of when these things are on the move? Anyone know which company would run something from directions described? From other side of the building I am in, there is a great view, which should produce some good photos, but I never know when one is going to go past :-/
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theres a lot of sidings on the paddington route, usually see the euro trains and the heathrow express parked up there on way into london. i think theres a couple of steam trains parked up at southall now and then so could be they are coming from there. rare sight from west drayton where i am
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theres a lot of sidings on the paddington route, usually see the euro trains and the heathrow express parked up there on way into london. i think theres a couple of steam trains parked up at southall now and then so could be they are coming from there. rare sight from west drayton where i am
This one went past at about 09:30, so it must have been just fired up :-/
Think your right, maybe from Southall
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http://www.uksteam.info/tours/trs10.htm
For info on tours.
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http://www.uksteam.info/tours/trs10.htm
For info on tours.
Cheers :y
According to that site, today is a busy day:
Tue 21-Dec THE CATHEDRALS EXPRESS [Times] [CANCELLED] (20/12)
London Kings Cross-Norwich (WCGN) [wcrc]
70013 45305: Kings Cross-Cambridge-Norwich and return
[Cancelled 45305 unavailable] STDR
Tue 21-Dec VSOE CHRISTMAS LUNCHEON SPECIAL [Times] (20/12)
London Victoria-Guildford (VSOE) [dbs]
35028: Victoria-Staines-Guildford-Redhill-Victoria VSOE
Tue 21-Dec THE SUSSEX BELLE [Times] (17/12)
London Victoria-Hastings [wcrc]
34067 44932: London Victoria-Maidstone-Ashford-Hastings
-Robertsbridge-Sevenoaks-Victoria
[44932 replaces 34067 which is unavailable]
Only one that makes any sense is the Cathedral Express, but thats cancelled :-/
Unless there is a route from Paddington Mainline to Victoria? :-?
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It'll be the Hogwarts Express. ;D
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This one has got me stumped Tunnie! ::) ::) ::)
The main line certificated engines that possibly could be candidates all seem to be engaged elsewhere, or out of service:
34016 Bodmin Out of service
34067 Tangmere Not available
35028 Clan Line Stabled at Stewarts Lane
63163 Tornado Out of service
However, one 60019 Bittern is, I believe, stabled at Southall and may be the engine you are hearing, although another engine, 6024 King Edward I seems to be floating around along the Bristol / West Country lines.
Can you describe Tunnie any of the sounds you are hearing, i.e.:
Is there a definate 3 cylinder beat, with two of the beats slightly offset from the last?*
Is a chime whistle blown?
Is it a full 4 cylinder beat?*
* If you listen carefully the difference is apparent! ::) ::)
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Further to the above Tunnie, these are the two possible engines you have heard:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Trains%20Planes%20Buses%20%20Cars/A4_60019_Bittern.jpg)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Trains%20Planes%20Buses%20%20Cars/King6024_torbay_express.jpg)
8-) 8-) ;)
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6024 was restored at Tysley, not too far from me.... :)
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This one has got me stumped Tunnie! ::) ::) ::)
The main line certificated engines that possibly could be candidates all seem to be engaged elsewhere, or out of service:
34016 Bodmin Out of service
34067 Tangmere Not available
35028 Clan Line Stabled at Stewarts Lane
63163 Tornado Out of service
However, one 60019 Bittern is, I believe, stabled at Southall and may be the engine you are hearing, although another engine, 6024 King Edward I seems to be floating around along the Bristol / West Country lines.
Can you describe Tunnie any of the sounds you are hearing, i.e.:
Is there a definate 3 cylinder beat, with two of the beats slightly offset from the last?*
Is a chime whistle blown?
Is it a full 4 cylinder beat?*
* If you listen carefully the difference is apparent! ::) ::)
chuffff chuffff wooo wooo chuffff cuffff :-* :-*
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This one has got me stumped Tunnie! ::) ::) ::)
The main line certificated engines that possibly could be candidates all seem to be engaged elsewhere, or out of service:
34016 Bodmin Out of service
34067 Tangmere Not available
35028 Clan Line Stabled at Stewarts Lane
63163 Tornado Out of service
However, one 60019 Bittern is, I believe, stabled at Southall and may be the engine you are hearing, although another engine, 6024 King Edward I seems to be floating around along the Bristol / West Country lines.
Can you describe Tunnie any of the sounds you are hearing, i.e.:
Is there a definate 3 cylinder beat, with two of the beats slightly offset from the last?*
Is a chime whistle blown?
Is it a full 4 cylinder beat?*
* If you listen carefully the difference is apparent! ::) ::)
chuffff chuffff wooo wooo chuffff cuffff :-* :-*
C'mon Ivor...... ;D
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This one has got me stumped Tunnie! ::) ::) ::)
The main line certificated engines that possibly could be candidates all seem to be engaged elsewhere, or out of service:
34016 Bodmin Out of service
34067 Tangmere Not available
35028 Clan Line Stabled at Stewarts Lane
63163 Tornado Out of service
However, one 60019 Bittern is, I believe, stabled at Southall and may be the engine you are hearing, although another engine, 6024 King Edward I seems to be floating around along the Bristol / West Country lines.
Can you describe Tunnie any of the sounds you are hearing, i.e.:
Is there a definate 3 cylinder beat, with two of the beats slightly offset from the last?*
Is a chime whistle blown?
Is it a full 4 cylinder beat?*
* If you listen carefully the difference is apparent! ::) ::)
chuffff chuffff wooo wooo chuffff cuffff :-* :-*
Ah HI, but that would be the sound of a two cylinder engine ;)
The sound of a Merchant Navy or West Country is:
chuffff chuffff....chuffff as the third beat is slightly offset.
As far as I am aware only the LNER V2 had a similar 3 cylinder beat, but even more pronounced that you could hear for miles:
chuffff chuffff... chuffff.................chuffff chuffff... chuffff
:D :D ;)
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...................Now I know some of you will be sniggering away over that last posting, but for us in the steam world those sounds are very important.
They actually indicate how many cylinders the engine has, and how they are set to maximise performance and pulling power. The great engineers of the past, especially those CME's (Chief Mechanical Engineers) of the big four railways would spend much time and effort on such detail.
They would consider what the engine was to be used for, and where, what steaming capacity it required, how big the boiler should be, its type, what firebox dimensions are necessary, the drafting arrangements, on what wheel arrangement the engine should be, along with the dimensions of the cylinders, how many, and what the motion would be (outside or inside), along with the stroke length of the pistons and the type of valve gear required. All this would also have to consider the overall weight of the engine, and its route availability as far as the Civil Engineer was concerned when thinking of axle loadings on the infrastructure.
The sound of an engine gives clues as to the efficiency and health of a steam engine, as much as it does with an internal combustion engine. It (the steam engine!!) is just more complicated as you are dealing with the whole, possibly in excess of 100 ton, machine where all parts add to the sum of the total, and if any are slightly incorrect or flawed, the whole machine performs badly.
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Interestingly, I get to have a 'go' on Truro on the 27th.
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...................Now I know some of you will be sniggering away over that last posting, but for us in the steam world those sounds are very important.
They actually indicate how many cylinders the engine has, and how they are set to maximise performance and pulling power. The great engineers of the past, especially those CME's (Chief Mechanical Engineers) of the big four railways would spend much time and effort on such detail.
They would consider what the engine was to be used for, and where, what steaming capacity it required, how big the boiler should be, its type, what firebox dimensions are necessary, the drafting arrangements, on what wheel arrangement the engine should be, along with the dimensions of the cylinders, how many, and what the motion would be (outside or inside), along with the stroke length of the pistons and the type of valve gear required. All this would also have to consider the overall weight of the engine, and its route availability as far as the Civil Engineer was concerned when thinking of axle loadings on the infrastructure.
The sound of an engine gives clues as to the efficiency and health of a steam engine, as much as it does with an internal combustion engine. It (the steam engine!!) is just more complicated as you are dealing with the whole, possibly in excess of 100 ton, machine where all parts add to the sum of the total, and if any are slightly incorrect or flawed, the whole machine performs badly.
I had the pleasure of firing Blue Peter at Boness many years ago to a driver nicknamed Big Valve and by christ that engine done some barking that day and talk about ring sting well enough said ;)
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Interestingly, I get to have a 'go' on Truro on the 27th.
You'll be a real engineer then like Casey Jones. ;D ;D
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Interestingly, I get to have a 'go' on Truro on the 27th.
I am jealous Mark!
What a pleasure that will be on the first engine to (reputedly) reach 100 mph :D :D :D The open cab is the only issue, especially if running tender first, as I well know, but just make sure they water down the coal dust and wrap up warm! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Have a great day Mark 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Shite driving design though.....which they never seemed to improve!
I have to do the coaling up on Thursday evening ;D
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I am 90% sure its the bottom one Lizzie, so Zok was right, it was the Hogwarts express ;D
Not sure if i can fully remember, it was a very 'fast' chuff, fact this one went so past so early in the morning suggests it was on-route to do something :-/
Whats interesting is the one i saw last time (4th December) was not towing a diesel, this one was!
Not towing, can just see red light on last Pullman Car:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0176.JPG)
I've tweaked the photo a bit in Picassa, its still hard to tell what it is.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0172.JPG)
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...................Now I know some of you will be sniggering away over that last posting, but for us in the steam world those sounds are very important.
They actually indicate how many cylinders the engine has, and how they are set to maximise performance and pulling power.
And, of late, from my back garden, how much traction is available. :D
Chuff....Chuff....Chuff....Chuff....ChuffChuffChuffChuffChuff <silence>
<gingerly>Chuff........Chuff.......Chuff....Chuff....ChuffChuffChuffChuffChuff <silence>
Then the droan of the diesel on the back that's probably doing most of the work.
Kevin
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I am 90% sure its the bottom one Lizzie, so Zok was right, it was the Hogwarts express ;D
Not sure if i can fully remember, it was a very 'fast' chuff, fact this one went so past so early in the morning suggests it was on-route to do something :-/
Whats interesting is the one i saw last time (4th December) was not towing a diesel, this one was!
Not towing, can just see red light on last Pullman Car:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0176.JPG)
I've tweaked the photo a bit in Picassa, its still hard to tell what it is.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0172.JPG)
That could well be Tunnie a 4 cylinder engine, which certainly suggests King Edward I 6024 :y
Your photograph, which I previously studied when you first posted it, certainly rules out the A4 Bittern, but that damned illuminated sign is spoiling the engine detail. It still just could be MN 35028 Clan Line ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
EDIT: There again on even closer inspection the smoke deflectors I thought were visible are NOT!! Cylinders are also protruding further than on a MN. All definitely points to the King! ;) ;)
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I am 90% sure its the bottom one Lizzie, so Zok was right, it was the Hogwarts express ;D
Not sure if i can fully remember, it was a very 'fast' chuff, fact this one went so past so early in the morning suggests it was on-route to do something :-/
Whats interesting is the one i saw last time (4th December) was not towing a diesel, this one was!
Not towing, can just see red light on last Pullman Car:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0176.JPG)
I've tweaked the photo a bit in Picassa, its still hard to tell what it is.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/DSC_0172.JPG)
That could well be Tunnie a 4 cylinder engine, which certainly suggests King Edward I 6024 :y
Your photograph, which I previously studied when you first posted it, certainly rules out the A4 Bittern, but that damned illuminated sign is spoiling the engine detail. It still just could be MN 35028 Clan Line ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
Its really annoying, I wanted to get a night blur shot of trains going by, will have to do it from other side of the building, which has a great few up the Curve towards Ealing. See quite a few interesting sights, got a few shots of the Royal Train & English side of the Orient Express :)
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Most 4s sound similar to 2s. Except the Lord Nelsons
90 degrees all GWR LMS
--3
1---2
--4
135 degrees
-2
1---3
---4